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Bigfoot - The Patterson-Gimlin Film

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30mph is 44 feet per second.
25mph is 36 feet per second.

If bigfoot is faster than a human, Roger has only seconds if bigfoot decides to take a run at him from say 30 yards away. If he misses or only wounds with the first round from the .303, he's unlikely to get a second round off before he is torn to shreds.

From 100 feet away, you only have about 3 seconds even if sasquatch is no faster than a human.

A bear is closer to the 35mph numbers...think about that.
 
LTC8K6 said:
30mph is 44 feet per second.
25mph is 36 feet per second.

If bigfoot is faster than a human, Roger has only seconds if bigfoot decides to take a run at him from say 30 yards away. If he misses or only wounds with the first round from the .303, he's unlikely to get a second round off before he is torn to shreds.

From 100 feet away, you only have about 3 seconds even if sasquatch is no faster than a human.

A bear is closer to the 35mph numbers...think about that.
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Hans Solo then was correct then regarding his faith in blasters lol! But judging from the creature on the PGF a 303 would have done the deed at least on that specimen. And of course a Daisy BB gun would more than pierce the film strip in question. My uncles were shooters and had all sorts of things. I wittnessed my dad many times shooting with them and while I don't know if they had a 303 they did have a 30.06 and a 30.30 and both of those things were capable of blowing holes in cinder blocks, tree stumps and various metal objects. Once one of the surplus Italian rifles backfired and nearly took out my uncle's eye.
 
There are plenty of examples of bears shot several times to little effect. There are examples of bears who still managed to kill the hunter after being shot.

A 500-1000 pound intelligent, fast, tough, super strong primate is a much different propsition entirely.

Sasquatches hide and watch you. Moose don't.
Sasquatches hide their presence and their tracks. Moose don't.
Sasquatches throw things at humans. Moose don't.

Far different than trying to kill a moose or a bear or a cape buffalo.

Essentially you are trying to kill a "super human", and we know of normal humans who were shot and kept going.
 
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There are plenty of examples of bears shot several times to little effect. There are examples of bears who still managed to kill the hunter after being shot.

A 500-1000 pound intelligent, fast, tough, super strong primate is a much different propsition entirely.

Sasquatches hide and watch you. Moose don't.
Sasquatches hide their presence and their tracks. Moose don't.
Sasquatches throw things at humans. Moose don't.

Far different than trying to kill a moose or a bear or a cape buffalo.

Essentially you are trying to kill a "super human", and we know of normal humans who were shot and kept going.
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You better see him before he sees you. The most realistic element of the Iceman exibit was that they chose to create a body that had been killed by a shot to the head. What would a 303 do to the skull of a 1000lb primate if fired from lets say 20 yards. At the very least knock the beast unconscious and likely shatter the skull and its contents.
 
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You better see him before he sees you. The most realistic element of the Iceman exibit was that they chose to create a body that had been killed by a shot to the head. What would a 303 do to the skull of a 1000lb primate if fired from lets say 20 yards. At the very least knock the beast unconscious and likely shatter the skull and its contents.
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A 303 is a very good rifle. As a choice, it is not bad, if you are planning on taking it down at medium to long range. As far as military bolt actions of that calibre go, it is arguably the best option for an attack. It has 10 rounds and cycles extremely quickly. Though you would want to be a good shot, and have a steady hand. But as mentioned by others, it would be far from a good overall choice for close range attack, and RP did appear to be concerned more about that, than shooting one at mid to long range. Even taking into account a lack of funds, and available choices, a semi-auto Garand would be better, and common. You could get more rounds off during a 100 yard charge. Perhaps the 303 was a personal preference, and he felt confident with it. Could understand that if there wasn't a fear of sudden superape attacks, from close range. An AK-47 might be a better option. Unless of course, there really weren't any superapes to worry about, and the rifle was just a prop for a movie.
 
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SweatyYeti said:
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For example....if someone says they saw a T-Rex walking through the woods, then their testimony holds NO weight, because we know, before (a priori) investigating the matter, that that is an impossibility.

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I don't check in for a day or so and I miss the good stuff.

If someone reports a Bigfoot walking in through the woods, then their testimony holds very little weight at all, because we know there are just as many Bigfoots walking around as there are T-Rexes.

Failure to understand this leads to all sorts of erroneous conclusions.
 
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Hitch said:
I don't check in for a day or so and I miss the good stuff.

If someone reports a Bigfoot walking in through the woods, then their testimony holds very little weight at all, because we know there are just as many Bigfoots walking around as there are T-Rexes.

Failure to understand this leads to all sorts of erroneous conclusions.
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Great! Thanks a lot Hitch.:D I'm pulling teeth trying to getting Sweaty to deal with his bad cheese and you give him that. He's gonna take you down to Bigfoottown. He's gonna have a woo-gasm and run around the room giggling like a little girl. I hope you have an umbrella. You'll need it for the rain of ellipses, bold, italics, and emoticons coming for you. It was intentional, I take it.
 
Do any of you realize the Historical significance of an Actual Bigfoot running around the PNW?

A Giant Beast, capable of strategically, hiding, observing, moving, with the ability to veil threats, to forecast it's opponent's moves. The ability to use primitive artillery, so precisely, that the projectiles are close enough to invoke fear, yet never off target enough to cause bodily harm to the target. The ability to bend trees and point them in directions, temporary directional tool making at it's finest.

The reason this is significant?- Man has found it's first and only Non-human, organic chess opponent. Millions of years on the planet, having to play against other humans, and here we have, Bigfoot, the perfect opponent living amongst us, yet undiscovered.
 
You better see him before he sees you.
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That only happens when the person doesn't have a rifle or a camera, apparently. Otherwise, we'd have better pictures or a dead bigfoot.

Sneaking up on bigfoot seems to be a rarity as opposed to sneaking up on any other animal.

Many animals are quite capable of sneaking up on humans and attacking them. Bigfoot is likely capable of this if it's as described by believers. The encounter you need to plan for is a closeup one when you seek to film or hunt bigfoot.

I'd sure hate for that semi-auto to jam when ol' foot is coming at me...I'd sure hate to be in a panic and trying to aim and cycle a bolt too...

With a double gun, you just have to pull the other trigger to send a second large caliber round downrange with accuracy.

If the second round doesn't stop the beastie, then your backup man has to step in and you have to get out your backup revolver, or you need to start retreating.

In the few seconds you'd have with bigfoot charging you, that is.

Even from 100 yards away, you'd have less than 10 seconds to stop ol' foot.

Unless they charge like Patty runs away...

Running sasquatches constitute about 10% of all sightings. From observed walking cadence, step length and reports of animals running alongside moving vehicles, their top speed probably rivals that of a running horse (near 40 mph).

Their strength, especially upper body, is legendary. They seem to take "pleasure" in exercising this strength, for example, lifting basketball-sized rocks and throwing them in arcs to scare off intruders, lifting the edges of mobile homes, cars or trailers, lifting and throwing full 50 gal. drums (450 lbs.) or 240 lb rocks (weighed later), and spirally twisting the trunks of small trees, possibly as territorial or way markers
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The height average for the sampled population is 7’ 10", derived from a combination of eye witness estimates and scaling from footprints.
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the average sasquatch can be estimated to weigh 650 lbs (Fig. 12), the Patterson sasquatch 540 lbs, and the maximum (for a 24" or larger footprint) probably to exceed 1,000 lbs.
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Anyone who thinks they might encounter the above animal would not carry a .303 imo. They'd carry an elephant gun and a backup gun and they'd have 1 or 2 backup hunters and they would not go out alone.
 
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Hitch said:
If someone reports a Bigfoot walking in through the woods, then their testimony holds very little weight at all, because we know there are just as many Bigfoots walking around as there are T-Rexes.

Failure to understand this leads to all sorts of erroneous conclusions.
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OMG, do you mean that it is NOT PLAUSIBLE a T-Rex could exist in the northwest? After all, there are MILLIONS OF ACRES in the great northwest that are unexplored and COULD HIDE a solitary T-rex that might have escaped extinction. Heck why stop at a T-rex. I think it is plausible that a small community of small (a few feet in size) herbivore dinosaurs could exist there and escape detection. There is just as great a PLAUSIBILITY for this as there is for bigfoot.
 
That is a cast from the left foot. I believe that we have six different casts made from Patty's left foot. One was made by Patterson, and five were made by Titmus. It is very similar to the left foot shown in the cast display scene.

This may be a copy of RP's left foot casting that has had some plaster trimmed away from the toes. Or, it is something else entirely.
 
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SweatyYeti said:
Another factor in dermining "plausibility", that we KNOW about...is the amount of wilderness land available for such a creature to live in. There's PLENTY of it.
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LTC8K6 said:
Anyone who thinks they might encounter the above animal would not carry a .303 imo. They'd carry an elephant gun and a backup gun and they'd have 1 or 2 backup hunters and they would not go out alone.
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Footer logic AKA wishful thinking VS actual logic.

Plausibility

Every medium and large mammal on the North American continent to have existed in the last 200 years has been shot, killed, and carcass taken. Common or rare. Stupid or smart. Stealthy or gamely. Bears, wolves, cougars, wolverines, lynx, you name it. People get shot too. Shot hunting, shot trespassing, shot stealing food.

We have no shot bigfoot. We have camp fire tales of shot bigfoot but no actual shot bigfoot. Footers tell us bigfoot lives across the continent from Alaska to Florida to Iowa to New York to Texas to the Yukon to Prince Edward Island. Footers tell us that bigfoot is brazen. They will approach your homes, enter your homes, eat your food, eat your dog, break you dog, break your house, throw pine cones, throw rocks, throw boulders, throw fuel barrels, throw pigs, throw fits.

Bigfoot lives everywhere. Bigfoot is a crazy bastard. Bigfoot is bullet proof.

Plausibility.

That bigfoot is as described by footers and has eluded ever winding up Swiss bigfoot is so implausible as to be utterly ridiculous. Skyfish are more plausible than bigfoot.
 
Nice Try Kitikaze...
But I'll just answer that in Footer-galese for you.
It is common knowledge that Bigfoot travel in groups and carry off their dead or wounded. That is why we don't find bones, and why shooting one is much too dangerous for the shooter. The reprisals would be catastrophic. An Angry Bigfoot is one thing, but angry Bigfoot Clan is a whole 'nuther level of badass.
 
Astrophotographer said:
OMG, do you mean that it is NOT PLAUSIBLE a T-Rex could exist in the northwest? After all, there are MILLIONS OF ACRES in the great northwest that are unexplored and COULD HIDE a solitary T-rex that might have escaped extinction. Heck why stop at a T-rex. I think it is plausible that a small community of small (a few feet in size) herbivore dinosaurs could exist there and escape detection. There is just as great a PLAUSIBILITY for this as there is for bigfoot.
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OMG you mean you''ve never seen the dinosours among us. Its more than just a small community too. Furthermore your don't have to consign them to to being just herbivores either. They exist in both varieties vegan and blood thirsty. If you need to see one just look over to my avitar there's a shot of my cousin Winston winging his way home. But even as a device to downgrade the Sasquatach issue bringing up the T-Rex survivor is about as lame as it gets.
 
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