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"Jersey Girls"

Tweeter said:
My point like the top of your head, was telling you people to address these women where they will be able to defend themselves. Its not that hard to understand.
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If the "Jersey Girls" think they're immune to criticism on various forums and mediums, no matter how uncivil it may be, then they are naive. They're free to join the JREF forum just like anyone else and discuss their views as appropriate. I suggest you send them an email about joining if you feel that strongly about it.
 
Tweeter said:
One you say?
1#Brainster said "Breitweiser has not embraced "Trutherism" unlike Casazza, Kleinberg and Van Auken. I used to assume that the latter were just going along with the Troofers because their interests (a new investigation) coincided, but these days the three remaining Jersey Girls are pretty much nutbar conspiracy theorists, talking about how cellphones can't work, and why did Building 7 collapse and how did the Secret Service know Bush was safe at Booker Elementary."

2#njslm said "My neighbor who lives across the hall in my apartment building lost 2 of her sons who worked for Cantor Fitzgerald in North Tower. I don't hear her whining and spewing out idiotic truther crap...
Real classy lady .....

3# BenBurch said "Ah, only 4.

Truthers made it sound like there were many dozens of them.

So not even a proper subgroup, just a few more nuts in the can.


Do i need to go on Nick Terry??
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Yes, I think you should perform an elementary statistical analysis of how many posters in this thread have, so far, used the word 'nutbar' concerning the Jersey Girls. It seems I missed a couple of examples - that makes it 3 explicit uses out of how many posters in this thread?

As to whether it's appropriate to call the bereaved names years after their loss, let me just offer one name: Mohammed Al-Fayed. If anyone doesn't think he's a fruitloop, raise your hand.
 
RedIbis said:
That's commendable for you to say, but what makes you think they're being "used by a movement"? They're tough, they're strong, they've been through a lot. They don't come off as naeve.
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They are also grieving and angry. All these things do not necessarily make them right or open to any evidence that would go against a predetermined position.

The first chapter of Shenon's book depicts them as remarkable women who were able to chase Henry Kissinger from taking the job as sole commissioner of the Commission.
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Unfortunatly that may have hurt thier cause. Henry Kissinger has a reputation of getting things done.

As far as I know Osama's family disavows him. They officially disowned him in 1994.(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bin_Laden_family)
His own son has gone on TV to criticize his father. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/17/bin-laden-son-wants-to-be_n_82049.html)
( The article says that he doesn't criticize but then says that Omar feels there is a better way. I'll leave it up to you if you see that as a criticizim or not)

So any dealing with the Bin laden family does not mean that there is any connection with Osama.
 
chillzero said:
You are all being led off topic once more.

By the way, I think it's incredibly callous to call these women nutbars. They are victims themselves, albeit indirectly. They are grieving, and in a difficult place. They'll never have anything answered to their satisfaction, because so much of the event was not covered by tv, or logs or records. Yes, I know a vast amount of it was. They are also not experts, and they are being used by a movement for the movement's own means.

The movement may not deserve respect in anyone's eyes, but these families of people who died that day do; at least to that fact.
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The Jersey girls are not being used by the movement. They ARE the movement, which they pretty much started based on their own research and lack of responsiveness by the government. Are you aware that they gave the names of potential whistle blowers to the commission who were never called to testify? No wonder they are dissatisfied when few of their questions have been answered.

Have you heard them speak? They are primarily calling for accountability. I haven't seen that anyone was held accountable, only that the lying and manipulative Bush administration took full advantage of the tragedy to further the neo-con agenda as prescribed by PNAC.
 
Tweeter said:
One you say?
1#Brainster said "Breitweiser has not embraced "Trutherism" unlike Casazza, Kleinberg and Van Auken. I used to assume that the latter were just going along with the Troofers because their interests (a new investigation) coincided, but these days the three remaining Jersey Girls are pretty much nutbar conspiracy theorists, talking about how cellphones can't work, and why did Building 7 collapse and how did the Secret Service know Bush was safe at Booker Elementary."

2#njslm said "My neighbor who lives across the hall in my apartment building lost 2 of her sons who worked for Cantor Fitzgerald in North Tower. I don't hear her whining and spewing out idiotic truther crap...
Real classy lady .....

3# BenBurch said "Ah, only 4.

Truthers made it sound like there were many dozens of them.

So not even a proper subgroup, just a few more nuts in the can.


Do i need to go on Nick Terry??
Sorry chill, but i get upset sometimes. I`ll try to keep it civil.
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Did you get upset when CIT accused Lloyd England of being involeved in a conspiracy?

Did you get upset when Dylan claimed the calls from 93 were faked? or that he would have laughed in the face of the hijackers when they produced their knives?

Did you get upset when Killtown and Jeff harassed Val McClatchey and accused her of priofiteering off the end of serenity photo?

did you get upset when troofers commented that Edna Cintron had to be wearing fire proof chinos as she waved from the gaping hole of the north tower moments before her death?

Did you get upset when troofers accused Barbara Olsons husband of lyiing about the phone call he recieved from her?

Did you get upset when Killtown doctored A Shanksville crash scene photo with the caption "new evidence found" and photoshopped a mound of excrement into the photo?




Spare us your fake indignation 370H SSV
 
chillzero said:
By the way, I think it's incredibly callous to call these women nutbars. They are victims themselves, albeit indirectly. They are grieving, and in a difficult place. They'll never have anything answered to their satisfaction, because so much of the event was not covered by tv, or logs or records. Yes, I know a vast amount of it was. They are also not experts, and they are being used by a movement for the movement's own means.

The movement may not deserve respect in anyone's eyes, but these families of people who died that day do; at least to that fact.
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Fair enough; I do usually cut them some slack compared to the others. But it's an open question these days as to who's using whom for their own ends. And the Jersey girls used to be careful not to associate with the Troofers for PR reasons; now they are more open about it.
 
Tweeter said:
This is appalling, its like spitting on the graves of these widow`s husbands.I believe if you have anything to say to them , write them an email or something. I`m sure one of their relatives would kindly smash your face. I think you guys crossed the line here.
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Can the fake outrage, Tweeter. Your Virginia Tech gunman avatar displayed what you know about spitting on graves.
 
chillzero said:
I don't feel they are thinking straight on these matters, and are not in a position to view the situation objectively.
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Wow. They might not be able to be objective, but they can very much think straight. It's quite presumptious of you to suggest that they are not thinking straight and you are.

I would go so far as to say they know more about that day, have talked to more people and are in touch with far more research than anyone, yes anyone on this forum.
 
Without trying to intentionally derail the thread further, my final comment on the whole name calling thing is that it really has little to do with the Jersey Girls themselves as much as it does having to go over the same issues that have been addressed 1000 times before. So the fire 900 times or so there is no such incident. But is it crazy to not expect it after going over it so many times?
 
RedIbis said:
Wow. They might not be able to be objective, but they can very much think straight. It's quite presumptious of you to suggest that they are not thinking straight and you are.

I would go so far as to say they know more about that day, have talked to more people and are in touch with far more research than anyone, yes anyone on this forum.
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Wow. You're indignant about her being "quite presumptuous" by being ... "quite presumptuous" yourself. Too funny.
 
Jonnyclueless said:
Without trying to intentionally derail the thread further, my final comment on the whole name calling thing is that it really has little to do with the Jersey Girls themselves as much as it does having to go over the same issues that have been addressed 1000 times before. So the fire 900 times or so there is no such incident. But is it crazy to not expect it after going over it so many times?
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I call it the Cindy Sheehan effect. Eventually, the free pass gets used up for a lot of people.
 
A W Smith said:
Did you get upset when CIT accused Lloyd England of being involeved in a conspiracy?

Did you get upset when Dylan claimed the calls from 93 were faked? or that he would have laughed in the face of the hijackers when they produced their knives?

Did you get upset when Killtown and Jeff harassed Val McClatchey and accused her of priofiteering off the end of serenity photo?

did you get upset when troofers commented that Edna Cintron had to be wearing fire proof chinos as she waved from the gaping hole of the north tower moments before her death?

Did you get upset when troofers accused Barbara Olsons husband of lyiing about the phone call he recieved from her?

Did you get upset when Killtown doctored A Shanksville crash scene photo with the caption "new evidence found" and photoshopped a mound of excrement into the photo?


Spare us your fake indignation 370H SSV
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In addition to the examples above...

Truthers have harassed people who photographed ‘fake’ planes hitting the WTC:

PumpItOut.com speaks with 9/11 cameraman.

http://www.veoh.com/videos/v4101258CaFwrr29


They have harassed witnesses at Ground Zero:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=108978

They've even gone after the widows of victims on the hijacked planes.

Real classy these truthers.
 
Can we please only use names when the mentioned people are here to defend themselves? Thats all i`m saying.
 
RedIbis said:
That's commendable for you to say, but what makes you think they're being "used by a movement"?
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Because they get name-dropped by charlatans and profiteers looking to lend a little credibility to themselves so they can sell more DVDs and books.

As misguided as some of their opinions might be, at least we know these women have honorable intentions. Too bad the same can't be said for pretty much everyone else involved in the Truth Movement.
 
Tweeter said:
Can we please only use names when the mentioned people are here to defend themselves? Thats all i`m saying.
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Funny, I don't recall you saying this in any of the numerous threads where your brethren attack Larry Silverstein.
 
Tweeter said:
Can we please only use names when the mentioned people are here to defend themselves? Thats all i`m saying.
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Why? This is a discussion forum, not a courtroom. Again, they're free to join here and respond to any post at any time.
 
johnny karate said:
Funny, I don't recall you saying this in any of the numerous threads where your brethren attack Larry Silverstein.
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So one say, all say? I have a few questions, that is all.
Im not the drug taking, woo-woo, violent ,ron paul, everything is a conspiracy nut that you try make everyone out to be. I`ve never supported anyones views but my own.
 
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