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[Moderated]List Of NYC Firefighters Who Think Bombs Brought Down The Towers

Here it is without the words "in advance".
You mean they calculated these things afterwards, D.Cheney?
Darüber hinaus stimmen die Übersetzer darin überein, dass der Satz im Original keinesfalls ein vorausberechnendes Planen oder gar Kalkulieren der Zahl der Toten enthält.

both translators said, neither in advance planing nor calculating the deaths is
contained in the original tape.

maybe you can show me the passage you think he says it in the original lang.
 
Darüber hinaus stimmen die Übersetzer darin überein, dass der Satz im Original keinesfalls ein vorausberechnendes Planen oder gar Kalkulieren der Zahl der Toten enthält.

both translators said, neither in advance planing nor calculating the deaths is
contained in the original tape.

maybe you can show me the passage you think he says it in the original lang.

Start reading, champ. You're chasing your tail again.

http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/linkstoterrorism,alqaedainfo
 
So, with all due respect DAO, but I think we need to amend that number to zero.
Had the OP asked for non-truthers to list the number of firefighters who believe bombs brought down the towers, then yes. It's clear the number would be zero.

However, that's not what the OP was asking. It specifically asked "truthers" to come up with a number. Dictator Cheney began by listing John Schroeder and then quickly withdrew his assertion after reviewing the video highlights. That, in and of itself, is astounding! Imagine, a truther who admits, after reviewing the clear evidence, that he was wrong. You don't see that too often around here.

On the other hand, we still have the case of TC329 who maintains that John Schroeder and Paul Isaac believe the towers were brought down with bombs/explosions and/or CD. Even after your excellent post, johnny karate, which clearly illustrates with hard evidence that neither of these firefighters said any such thing, TC329 continues to assert, without any supporting evidence, that these two gentlemen maintain a pro-CD stance.

So, with all due respect, johnny karate, the number on the list according to truther TC329 remains at two.
 
The following is from a transcript of a tape of Osama bin Laden provided to Al Jazeera in 2004. The transcript is Al Jazeera's translation of the Arabic subtitles that were on the original tape; is this major Arab news organization in on your conspiracy also??

I say to you, Allah knows that it had never occurred to us to strike the towers. But after it became unbearable and we witnessed the oppression and tyranny of the American/Israeli coalition against our people in Palestine and Lebanon, it came to my mind. . . .

And as I looked at those demolished towers in Lebanon, it entered my mind that we should punish the oppressor in kind and that we should destroy towers in America in order that they taste some of what we tasted and so that they be deterred from killing our women and children.
 
The following is from a transcript of a tape of Osama bin Laden provided to Al Jazeera in 2004. The transcript is Al Jazeera's translation of the Arabic subtitles that were on the original tape; is this major Arab news organization in on your conspiracy also??

actually thats not admiting. this here is alot better, from your source

It is the American people and their economy. And for the record, we had agreed with the Commander-General Muhammad Ataa, Allah have mercy on him, that all the operations should be carried out within 20 minutes, before Bush and his administration notice.

It never occurred to us that the commander-in-chief of the American armed forces would abandon 50,000 of his citizens in the twin towers to face those great horrors alone, the time when they most needed him.

sounds like UBL is a LIHOPer :)
but i think that could be counted as an admit to the planning.

beside his alla praysing crap

he also tells alot about the MIC. and how you will run bancrupt in that war.
 
This is one last chance for this thread.

Dictator Cheney - stop wandering off topic. Please re-read your Membership Agreement, and learn to post on topic in threads.

TC329 - When someone is trying (rightly) to return a thread to topic don't argue with them about it. Get back on topic.

Everyone else - no sock allegations - please send those to the mod team with any evidence.

I agree with Cuddles that the thread has grown too quick to be split out, etc at this late point. Get it strictly on topic or further mod action will follow.
Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: chillzero
 
In another thread Dictator Cheney, in an attempt to show that firefighters know there were bombs in the towers, wrote:


So this thread is for him or any other truther to list the names of firefighters on the scene who believe it was bombs that caused the towers to collapse and killed hundreds of their fellow firefighters.

Ready? Go!

I think we need to remember that Gravy already dealt with Graeme McQueen's paper on his site:

http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/whattheyheard

Gravy said:
Let's look at the accounts MacQueen includes of firefighters who use the words "bomb," "explosives," "secondary devices," etc. He lists 31 such accounts. Here's my analysis:

People in the "described something like a bomb” category – 31​
Number who did not actually mention anything about bombs, explosions, devices, etc. – 1 (Walter Kowalczyk). I have no idea why MacQueen included Kowalczyk's account, which includes nothing about explosions, sounds like explosions, or any suggestion of explosives or explosive devices. That's truther "scholarship" for you.​
Remaining people in "bomb" category – 30​
Number who were describing the collapse of a tower – 30​
Number who had no idea at the time that what they heard was the collapse of a tower (usually because they were inside another building). – 15​
Number who saw the collapse of a tower, at least partially – 7​
Number who explained that they knew the sounds were collapses – 2​
Number who said they had no idea what was going on during the event – 4​
Number who said, as of the interview date, that they thought they'd actually seen or heard explosives – 0​
Number who have claimed since 2001 that they believe there were explosives in the buildings – 0​


I know the OP was asking people to assemble a list of firefighters who are on record as believing a bomb was involved. Problem is, that's akin to asking people to list the atheists in the College of Cardinals: Even if they know enough to list the one or two exceptions in the group (in the case of firefighters, John Schroeder; don't know about any "atheist Cardinals" ;) ) such a list can't even be used to prove any premise that firefighters as a group truly believed explosives were used, let alone prove from that that explosives really were used. As Gravy has shown, many of the statements being purported as proof of explosives were merely similies, or the best descriptions they could make from the incomplete information they had of a complex and bewildering event. The most people can do is replicate Graeme McQueen's list.

Then again, Wildcat knows all this, and lurkers/newbies/etc. should take note of the meta-motive, that this paucity of proof is really what he was trying to illuminate with his post.
 
Good grief. I'm making this thread moderated, and moving the last few posts to AAH.
Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: chillzero
 
As for interviewing FDNY, if I lived in NYC you better believe I would have contacted every single one of them by now.

Well that would be thousands of people. Why not start smaller, start with their union, the Uniformed Firefighters Association? Here's a link to their website. I'm sure we all look forward hearing how you sent them an email and their reply as to how many of their members believe that the WTC was brought down by a CD.

http://www.ufanyc.org/index.php
 
This thread is ridiculous. Every time someone gives a name you say they`re crazy. The reason 99.9% of people dont speak out and tell the truth is they have something you de-bunkers will never have. A meaningfuljob.
 
This thread is ridiculous. Every time someone gives a name you say they`re crazy. The reason 99.9% of people dont speak out and tell the truth is they have something you de-bunkers will never have. A meaningfuljob.

I have a meaningful job. I work for the City of New York as does every member of the FDNY. Please provide evidence that ANY employee of the City of New York is covering up information regarding a 9/11 "inside job" in order to protect their job. If you can't, then retract you statement.
 
Dictator Cheney, in your most recent post that has now been culled from this thread and appears in AAH, you say the following:
i then claryfied that i do not claim they belive bombs brought down the towers.
i still not claim this, never did.
(bolding mine)

Please, how do you reconcile the above with the following statement from the first page of this thread?
actually i know only of 1 firefighter , John schroeder, that claims the towers was brought down in a controlled demolition.
 
This thread is ridiculous. Every time someone gives a name you say they`re crazy. The reason 99.9% of people dont speak out and tell the truth is they have something you de-bunkers will never have. A meaningfuljob.

Ignoring the fact that your statement is not true, how about listing all these names.
 
I have a meaningful job. I work for the City of New York as does every member of the FDNY. Please provide evidence that ANY employee of the City of New York is covering up information regarding a 9/11 "inside job" in order to protect their job. If you can't, then retract you statement.

How about you provide your credentials first. Ive explained why people dont come forth.
 
No FDNY personnel KNEW there were bombs. No one saw an explosive device nor discovered explosives residue. There are only folks who THINK there were bombs, just like how when a car kicks back, some nutcase thinks it was a bomb.

Thinking it sounded or looked like a bomb, and KNOWING it was a bomb, are two very very different things. Normal, intelligent, sane people know this. Crazy, stupid, and irrational people do not.
 
How about you provide your credentials first. Ive explained why people dont come forth.
So these firefighters are not coming forward because they might lose their jobs. Tell you what, why don't you go to NY and say that to these firefighters. I think you'll get the answer to your theory very quickly. BTW make sure you program 911 into your cell phone before you accuse them of this, you'll need it.
 

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