[Moderated]List Of NYC Firefighters Who Think Bombs Brought Down The Towers

[scissorhands]

http://s3.amazonaws.com/911timeline/2001/monitor122001.html

someone did already. dont know that source. just found it on google

Hmmm, its full of statements like this,

"The White House's version also included the sentence "we asked each of them to go to America", but Alami says the original formulation is in the passive along the lines of "they were required to go"."

As if either version would make it not a terrorist plot.
Pure semantics.
Why continue with such a charade, Aanthanur?

 

[BenBurch]

I know a few firemen that KNOW there were bombs, but are afraid to speak out.

I call BS.

 

[TC329]

Just for my own personal information, are there any "independent" terrorist attacks, that aren't aided by the CIA?

My words were very clear.

 

[gc051360]

My words were very clear.

As were mine.

Are there any independent terrorist attacks, that aren't aided by the CIA?

 

[Jonnyclueless]

just cause you claim its debunked, does not mean its debunked, do you know exactly what it is? or do you have your own theorys about it? like molten aluminium?

So because it's not proven what it really is, you dismiss any claims as to it being something other than steel. Yet at the same time, you blindly accept it as being steel. That alone proves you are a dishonest person. Double standards.

Not to mention it's a double-negative. If you make the claim that it's Steel, then you are obligated to prove that. Otherwise it can be assumed to be one of the many other metals? Why? Because those are backed by additional evidence and perfectly match all the rest of the evidence.

And forgetting about the fact that we could not care less about what convinces you of anything, WE listen to REAL experts who's opinion actually has some weight. As opposed to you, who has no educations in these areas what so ever. or perhaps you feel you have more experience and knowledge than the real experts? Maybe you can explain where all the demolition companies in the world get it wrong.


So guys, is this guy basically the new LastChild? is it rotation time already?

 

[TC329]

I've been posting here about the same time as you and don't ever recall this. Please provide evidence. Thanks.

Of course, you are free to do your own research by questioning past and current FDNY members. Go for it. Just ask them.

If I get motivated I'll look but I don't feel any uncontrollable urges to prove something to you. He really really hated "twoofers" or whatever the **** you call us and caused a real big uproar for a little bit of time until he disclosed he wasn't FDNY on 9/11....or 9/12 or until like 2006 or something. He added that while quite a few do believe it was bombed that a lot didn't.

I suspect the few who do are the few who were still healthy enough to be FDNY in 2006 personally........

As for interviewing FDNY, if I lived in NYC you better believe I would have contacted every single one of them by now. But I don't, I live in Pittsburgh so I stick to the Shanksville witnesses.

 

[TC329]

As were mine.

Are there any independent terrorist attacks, that aren't aided by the CIA?

Are there any?

Kind of vague but absolutely there are independent terrorist attacks. It all depends on who you call a terrorist and who you call a freedom fighter but there are individuals in small groups who carry out terrorist attacks independently absolutely. But there are no huge organizations doing large scale attacks without backing of a government body.

Who pays "Al Qaeda"?

Thats the question the government and media don't want anyone asking. Aren't the men who financed 9/11 a more imminent and dangerous threat than Saddam?

The men who financed 9/11 managed to successfully murder 3000+ American citizens in less than 2 hours on American soil.

To date Saddam Hussein and the country of Iraq are responsible for 0 deaths on American soil.

So isn't the financiers of 9/11 a way graver threat?

Aren't they most likely to produce the next "smoking gun in the form of a mushroom cloud" than Iraq?

So remind me what the 9/11 Commission determined about these individuals if you can stomach to do so.

 

[bynmdsue]

Just for my own personal information, are there any "independent" terrorist attacks, that aren't aided by the CIA?

No,because as The Twoof teaches us Arabs are gentle children living in caves that can't do dick without the white man holding their hand.

 

[johnny karate]

I've skimmed through most of this thread because so much of it is off-topic, so apologies if this has already been covered.

Of the two firefighters that are on the list so far, John Schroeder and Paul Isaacs Jr, neither have actually made the claim that bombs were present in the towers, or that they collapsed due to controlled demolition.

In the interview with Schroeder that appeared on Loose Change (link), never once does he make either of those claims, despite the best efforts of the interviewee to "guide" his story with leading questions.

Isaacs was just flat-out misquoted and said as much in this thread, along with spewing no small amount of venom for those that did the misquoting and attempted to use it to serve their own agendas.

There's a reason you don't even hear CTers using this guy's name anymore. Hell, I'm surprised no CTer has mentioned Lou Cacchioli yet, since it seems they're counting firefighters that were misquoted.

I think the number of firemen on the list now stands at two.

So, with all due respect DAO, but I think we need to amend that number to zero.

 

[johnny karate]

As for interviewing FDNY, if I lived in NYC you better believe I would have contacted every single one of them by now. But I don't, I live in Pittsburgh so I stick to the Shanksville witnesses.

I heartily agree with this sentiment. If I believed that my government carried out a massive conspiracy that resulted in the murder 3,000 innocent people, I certainly couldn't be bothered to make a few phone calls or fire off some e-mails to see justice done.

You're a hero and a patriot, TC.

 

[bynmdsue]

Wow.Read that Sentinel thread.I don't think he's on your side TC.

 

[DC]

http://11-settembre.blogspot.com/2007/02/ups-on-81st-floor-of-wtc2.html
http://www.debunking911.com/moltensteel.htm


I cited the facts for you, and pointed you towards information that explains to you why your theories not only are nonsense, but how they can't physically be possible because THERE IS NO EVIDENCE SUPPORTING YOUR CLAIM. You ignored them. You can lead a jackass to water, but you can't make him drink.



Oh? What "theories" are interesting and why? Can you explain what they get wrong and how?

Didn't think so.



You do realize, do you not, that those same batteries were leaking lead, which you took as evidence of "thermite?" There was no thermite, champ. None. Never was. Ever. There is no evidence of this. No matter what you or the fraud Steven Jones wants to believe.

One of us is wrong, and it's you.



As for the facts about 9-11, it doesn't matter what you believe. Facts are facts, evidence is evidence. We're concerned with facts and evidence, you're concerned with baseless belief, fact-free fantasy and religion.



HOW SHOULD IT REACT, GENIUS? How many times has the WTC terrorist attack happened? Never before?

You have no frame of reference. You're like a child who wanders in...oh, never mind.

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Those aren't squibs. You have utterly failed to prove they are, because there is no chemical fingerprint, residue, physical damage to the structure or anything else to indicate an explosive. That's it. The facts are not on you side. You're wrong.

http://www.debunking911.com/overp.htm

Stop repeating this blatant, baseless lie.




Unless you can provide evidence of EXPLOSIVES, you have nothing to stand on. You're ignorant - deliberately so - so that means you're now lying. You've been shown that they are not squibs, and you are ignoring it because it is far too inconvenient for you to incorporate new, contrary information into your Troofer religion.



That's because you're not paying attention and are ignoring facts inconvenient for the cult of Trooferism.

When you feel like joining reality again, we'll be here.

leaking lead will not glow yellow. all you presented are theorys, just like jones theory about thermite. and noone knows what it is. you belive its impossible to be thermite. i know its impossible to e aluminium, i also doubt a lead acid mixture. was there any demonstrations don, tests? that would show lead/acid is yellow glowing at 800°C?

im sorry but your counter theorys are not new to me, i know them, and they dont convince me.

i still wonder what it was.

with thermite traces i ment the other things jones found in the dust. the iron rich spheres and the grey/red chips.

 

[Jonnyclueless]

Cheney, could you spare us this annoyance and just use the search function to find one of the 1000s of existing threads covering the metallurgy? Keep an eye out for crazy chainsaw. While you may think these are all new ground breaking arguments on your behalf, they aren't. Rather than make everyone repeat the same old issues for the millionth time, just use the search function.

And remember, we could care less about convincing you of anything. Everything is a theory if you twist it enough. Gravity is a theory too. Many of us grew out of that kind of argumentative style in grade school. Just because the sky is blue doesn't mean there is air. That's jsut a theory, and the sky could be full of tidy bowl.

 

[DC]

Hmmm, its full of statements like this,

"The White House's version also included the sentence "we asked each of them to go to America", but Alami says the original formulation is in the passive along the lines of "they were required to go"."

As if either version would make it not a terrorist plot.
Pure semantics.
Why continue with such a charade, Aanthanur?

Example 1: The Pentagon translation has bin Laden say: "We calculated in advance the number of casualties from the enemy."

Dr. Murad Alami, academic level translator: "'In advance' isn't in there. It's wrong, if you start from the original Arabic version. And there are no misunderstandings. So one basically can't understand that."

 

[DC]

Cheney, could you spare us this annoyance and just use the search function to find one of the 1000s of existing threads covering the metallurgy? Keep an eye out for crazy chainsaw. While you may think these are all new ground breaking arguments on your behalf, they aren't. Rather than make everyone repeat the same old issues for the millionth time, just use the search function.

And remember, we could care less about convincing you of anything. Everything is a theory if you twist it enough. Gravity is a theory too. Many of us grew out of that kind of argumentative style in grade school. Just because the sky is blue doesn't mean there is air. That's jsut a theory, and the sky could be full of tidy bowl.

i got asked to list what i see as indications, and i got presented the old "debunkings" i knew already and didnt convince me.
i never claimed that this are groundbraking news.
would i not answer it, it would be claimed i dodge the questions.

 

[Cuddles]

This thread is to list the firefighters who believe there were bombs in the towers. There are plenty of other threads around to discuss other points. Keep it on topic or most of it will be heading off to AAH.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Cuddles

 

[scissorhands]

Example 1: The Pentagon translation has bin Laden say: "We calculated in advance the number of casualties from the enemy."

Dr. Murad Alami, academic level translator: "'In advance' isn't in there. It's wrong, if you start from the original Arabic version. And there are no misunderstandings. So one basically can't understand that."

Maybe D.Cheney would like to start a new thread where he explains how taking the words "in advance" out of the following statements help in absolving Osama of any guilt.

UBL: (...Inaudible...) we calculated in advance the number of casualties from the enemy,
who would be killed based on the position of the tower. We calculated that the floors that
would be hit would be three or four floors. I was the most optimistic of them all.
(...Inaudible...) due to my experience in this field, I was thinking that the fire from the gas
in the plane would melt the iron structure of the building and collapse the area where the
plane hit and all the floors above it only. This is all that we had hoped for.

 

[DC]

Maybe D.Cheney would like to start a new thread where he explains how taking the words "in advance" out of the following statements help in absolving Osama of any guilt.

Beyond that the translators agree that the sentence in the original doesn't in any way imply advanced planning or even calcultating the number of casualties beforehand.

 

[scissorhands]

UBL: (...Inaudible...) we calculated the number of casualties from the enemy,
who would be killed based on the position of the tower. We calculated that the floors that
would be hit would be three or four floors. I was the most optimistic of them all.
(...Inaudible...) due to my experience in this field, I was thinking that the fire from the gas
in the plane would melt the iron structure of the building and collapse the area where the
plane hit and all the floors above it only. This is all that we had hoped for.

Here it is without the words "in advance".
You mean they calculated these things afterwards, D.Cheney?

 

[Good Lt]

Here it is without the words "in advance".
You mean they calculated these things afterwards, D.Cheney?

Sure. Whatever he needs to believe to prop up the conspiratorial house of cards will be done.

Facts are irrelevant.