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Bigfoot - The Patterson-Gimlin Film

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Dfoot:

let's get one thing clear, my friend.

The world is full of badly designed things, and things done by less than perfect processes because they had to be done on the cheap, or were done by people with limited skills simply doing as much as they knew to do.

The design of any suit may be accomplished in a great variety of ways. I've done some ways, other people do them in ways I never would. So when I speak of what makes sense to me, what I would expect, that doesn't ever preclude other people from doing things differently. I invent things precisely because I am willing to do things different from traditional practice.

I'd never design a fur suit in two parts. That's my design philosophy. If others did, fine for them.

As for people pulling my words out of context or mis-intrepreting my intentions, that accusation goes all around, footer and skeptic alike. I'm frankly astonished at how much people seem to pour through my words or notes (as you acknowledged studying my interview comments), and find single sentences while missing the larger concepts.

My notes and interviews are out there. So be it. I have looked over everything and don't feel I need to retract anything. I can't control others misunderstanding me. It's a hopeless goal, trying to erase all the world's ignorance.

I'm approaching this whole issue from a position you and nearly everybody clearly doesn't understand, despite my repeated stating of my intention, so fine, you don't understand what I'm doing. Never stopped me from doing what I intended before. Why should it now?

You obviously are dedicated to your ideas and the goal of proving them. I wish you well in that endeavor. After my one lengthy response to your notes, about two months ago, I haven't made any further effort to pour over your notes and try to nitpick individual sentences. I simply await your conclusion, and When I feel it is structured with scientific discipline, I'll look it over.

I invite you to do the same with mine.

Bill
 
Mad Hom

I'm not a believer where did you ever get that idea? Now you've got me wrong but perhaps I've got you pegged correctly as someone that shoots from the hip. Go back and read my posts both here and on BFF and there is nowhere you will find me maintaining status as a believer. As Buggs would say "What a maroon."

Fair enough Crow...but at minimum you come across as Pro-Bigfeet given your propensity to see the the primate half real as opposed to seeing it as half hoax the way most of us here do.

Having said that....to me any pro-Bigfeet stance at all requires at least some Bleef...what with all the ambiguous "evidence" put forth to date....wouldn't you say?
 
Dfoot:

let's get one thing clear, my friend.

The world is full of badly designed things, and things done by less than perfect processes because they had to be done on the cheap, or were done by people with limited skills simply doing as much as they knew to do.

The design of any suit may be accomplished in a great variety of ways. I've done some ways, other people do them in ways I never would. So when I speak of what makes sense to me, what I would expect, that doesn't ever preclude other people from doing things differently. I invent things precisely because I am willing to do things different from traditional practice.

I'd never design a fur suit in two parts. That's my design philosophy. If others did, fine for them.

As for people pulling my words out of context or mis-intrepreting my intentions, that accusation goes all around, footer and skeptic alike. I'm frankly astonished at how much people seem to pour through my words or notes (as you acknowledged studying my interview comments), and find single sentences while missing the larger concepts.

My notes and interviews are out there. So be it. I have looked over everything and don't feel I need to retract anything. I can't control others misunderstanding me. It's a hopeless goal, trying to erase all the world's ignorance.

I'm approaching this whole issue from a position you and nearly everybody clearly doesn't understand, despite my repeated stating of my intention, so fine, you don't understand what I'm doing. Never stopped me from doing what I intended before. Why should it now?

You obviously are dedicated to your ideas and the goal of proving them. I wish you well in that endeavor. After my one lengthy response to your notes, about two months ago, I haven't made any further effort to pour over your notes and try to nitpick individual sentences. I simply await your conclusion, and When I feel it is structured with scientific discipline, I'll look it over.

I invite you to do the same with mine.

Bill

[nitpicking usage nazi]

Perhaps the problem is that people have been pouring over your notes instead of poring over them. Yuck.

[/nitpicking usage nazi]
 
As I understand it Patricia Patterson hold the rights to the Film. Therefore the unknown owner of the master has no rights and has no control over anything. If the unknown owner knows he has a bombshell that would expose the truth why then hasn't he come forth sell the bombshell? If the unknown owner knows that the reels contain the normal PGF material then he might as well sit on it until a wealthy "believer" comes up with enough cash. In the event that the film is an outright hoax with Bob H munching a sandwich in between takes getting crumbs on his costume then the film is next to worthless except for the potential expose value. After all even if a HBO or Monsterquest decided to get the film for an expose how much would the owner actually get from it? The time to come forward with the master film was when Greg Long was doing his book. That the unknown owner didn't seize the opportunity could very well mean that there's nothing incriminating on the master. My guess is by the time the unknown owner parts with the master it'll be worthless. But then again how clever could the unknown owner be if they bought the thing in the first place?

Good points.....when Greg Long was writing his book would have been an excellent time to come forth if he had something... that makes sense....but...what if.... with Patricia Patterson holding the rights and all....he does have something but couldn't come forth for fear of Mrs Patterson's wrath?

I have very little experience with copyrights and what not so I have no idea whether he could or not...someone enlighten me here.

Also....if the original footage is in fact all horsies,trees and sky....why not just say so....let people look at the footage...and we'll put that aspect of the hoax...errrrrr.......PGF...to bed already.
 
Fair enough Crow...but at minimum you come across as Pro-Bigfeet given your propensity to see the the primate half real as opposed to seeing it as half hoax the way most of us here do.

Having said that....to me any pro-Bigfeet stance at all requires at least some Bleef...what with all the ambiguous "evidence" put forth to date....wouldn't you say?


I don't believe in god either yet I can and will engage in discussions about god and the concept thereof.
 
'Psychic bigfoot' guest was on Michael Medved show F3-21-08

Did anyone hear this guy? A complete wacked out kook?

He claims that there have been something like 152 documented cases of correspondences between bigfoots from around the world, and people. The bigfoots I guess are really aliens that are in 'warm clothing' so they do not freeze. They are more advanced than us and do not need our ancient technology. They can live like apes because they are smarter than we are. They can use teleportation and they can avoid people due to their special abilities.

The guy acted real educated on this, and did not laugh.

Maybe there is something about this on Google under 'psychic bigfoot'?
 
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I don't believe in god either yet I can and will engage in discussions about god and the concept thereof.

...and I don't believe my beloved Cleveland Cavaliers have a snowball chance at winning the NBA title this year yet I can and will engage in discussions about them doing exactly that....so what....this thread is about the possibility of a Hairy Biped of Unusual Size on film frollicking across Bluff Creek ....a possibility that appears to be at best....remote... yet for every Con that is brought up...you always seem to have a Pro....hence your obvious desire for Bigfeet to be really for real....which is why I stated you seemed like a Tru Bleever to me.
 
The bigfoots I guess are really aliens that are in 'warm clothing' so they do not freeze. They are more advanced than us and do not need our ancient technology. They can live like apes because they are smarter than we are. They can use teleportation and they can avoid people due to their special abilities.

The guy acted real educated on this, and did not laugh.

Did he mention 'zzzzt'?
 
Did anyone hear this guy? A complete wacked out kook?

He claims that there have been something like 152 documented cases of correspondences between bigfoots from around the world, and people. The bigfoots I guess are really aliens that are in 'warm clothing' so they do not freeze. They are more advanced than us and do not need our ancient technology. They can live like apes because they are smarter than we are. They can use teleportation and they can avoid people due to their special abilities.

The guy acted real educated on this, and did not laugh.

Maybe there is something about this on Google under 'psychic bigfoot'?

Yeah most of Bigfoot Nation tends to avoid the Pyschic/Alien/Other Wordly Bigfeet experts like they were radioactive leporous skunks.....so I'm sure there will be no comment from the Pro-Hairy Biped rank-n-file.

I love that those guys exist though...they make the world a funnier place.
 
Did anyone hear this guy? A complete wacked out kook?

He claims that there have been something like 152 documented cases of correspondences between bigfoots from around the world, and people. The bigfoots I guess are really aliens that are in 'warm clothing' so they do not freeze. They are more advanced than us and do not need our ancient technology. They can live like apes because they are smarter than we are. They can use teleportation and they can avoid people due to their special abilities.

The guy acted real educated on this, and did not laugh.

Maybe there is something about this on Google under 'psychic bigfoot'?
Sounds a little like one of our late, banned posters, perhaps "Historian," whose true name has already slipped out of my memory, or Eric Beckjord. The google search also reveals another crackpot of the same stripe, who doesn't seem to have found this thread yet:

http://www.unlimited-resources.com/bigfoot.html

Amazing.
 
Here:

http://www.unlimited-resources.com/bigfoot.html

Sorry bruto. In my haste to come up with some substance...I see YOU already listed the site. Sorry. And here I thought I was coming up with something new to the discussion. If this is some old discussion, I wonder why someone like Medved had him on his show TODAY. Maybe one of the following call-in guests had it right, telling Medved he was stooping to a new low by simply bringing up something like this for listenership.
 
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I just exited the thread only to come back on after thinking of this theory: Maybe the account of a Bigfoot being dropped off here in Wisconsin, from a spaceship, is the way the Earth was and maybe IS being seeded. We blow this off as nonsensce, but maybe aliens ARE and HAVE been at work on our planet. This would go a long way in explaining the stuff in Peru, the drawings on cave walls with men in spacesuits, Ezekials sighting in the Old Testament about seeing a wheel within a wheel, up in the sky, and numerous sightings by even pilots, crop circles, etc...and creation!
 
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I only caught a portion of the show. I do not know what you mean, anyway.

We had an expert in 'transdimensional bigfeet' here for quite awhile. He stated that they make the noise 'zzzzt' before changing dimensions.

He came straight from Berkeley also.
 
As I understand it Patricia Patterson hold the rights to the Film. Therefore the unknown owner of the master has no rights and has no control over anything. If the unknown owner knows he has a bombshell that would expose the truth why then hasn't he come forth sell the bombshell? If the unknown owner knows that the reels contain the normal PGF material then he might as well sit on it until a wealthy "believer" comes up with enough cash. In the event that the film is an outright hoax with Bob H munching a sandwich in between takes getting crumbs on his costume then the film is next to worthless except for the potential expose value. After all even if a HBO or Monsterquest decided to get the film for an expose how much would the owner actually get from it? The time to come forward with the master film was when Greg Long was doing his book. That the unknown owner didn't seize the opportunity could very well mean that there's nothing incriminating on the master. My guess is by the time the unknown owner parts with the master it'll be worthless. But then again how clever could the unknown owner be if they bought the thing in the first place?

Or, the whole thing is yet, just another... story. Like so much else associated with the "American Legends" that are RP, BG and Patty. So far, all we have are some anecdotes about "where the original is", liberally sprinkled with "warning" signs- "Don't press the issue, or bad things may happen to the film". The story may be true, one can suppose. But like so many other things relating to the "original", it is extraordinarily convenient. There are already conflicting accounts regarding what happened to the "original", one at least, that indicates that it "was lost". I suspect that this may be closer to the truth. If it never got out of the editing room, in one piece, making it "lost" is as good a story to put out, as any other.

Another factor is that, as mentioned by others, the "original", very likely, does not include a close up of BH mugging for the camera, whilst getting into a suit. Or something else so blatant, like a 2nd take etc. It may be something quite minor, or something that is out of sequence, according to the narrative. It may be something blatant, but is not immediately recognizable as such. It might appear to be perfectly identical to copies, but with splices. There has been so little focus, generally, on the nature of the film itself, that something like this might not be given a second thought. Almost all attention has been on the images, only. Then again, it might be simply the 1st master copy. It has not been analyzed. It might not even exist anymore. There might be pieces left, but not whole original developed rolls. In any event, the story of the who, when and what comes from Footer "insider" sources. Again.
 
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Green: That movie that you took, comparing the depths of the tracks, that
would be the one that you showed at the University of British Columbia?
Gimlin: Yes. That is the one shown in British Columbia.
Green: Are you aware that movie has been missing almost ever since?
Gimlin: Yes I am aware of that. I asked before Roger passed away and his
reply was that Al de Atley had that somewhere. He didn’t tell me exactly
where. He [Roger] said that Al has the film in his possession somewhere.
Of course I asked Al de Atley about it and he denied having it and denied
it ever existed. That seems strange to me because I knew it existed and
Roger knew it existed!
Green: ...and so did all the people at the University of British Columbia!
Gimlin: Exactly. See....so why the film disappeared, I’ll never know and
probably never find out....
Green: ...sounds almost as if Al lost it....
Gimlin: ...or sold it. Who knows what happened to it?
Green: ..well you’d think if it had been sold it would have shown up
sometime...
Gimlin: Well you know Al and Roger toured with that film afterwards and
it’s hard telling what went on in those days and of course Roger made some
deal with American National which I never did know...
I never was allowed to know the exact depth of it or what exactly happened
there.
Green: But you know René Dahinden and I were the first people to make a
deal for the use of the film itself. Al brought to Seattle the film of the
creature and a great deal of footage that Roger had taken of the
waterfalls and trees and various thing like that. The footprint film was
supposed to be there but it wasn’t.
Gimlin: Was it suppose to be on the same role of film?
Green: Oh no!
Gimlin: It was just a different role of film then?
Green: Well, I don’t remember now if he brought a lot of little boxes or
whether this film had already been spliced….
Gimlin: Yeah, see…
Green: But anyway, we showed it expecting to find the footprint film but
it wasn’t there.
Gimlin: Yes, being as I didn’t know much about movie cameras or splicing
film or any of that sort of thing, anybody could have shown me the film
and I wouldn’t have been able to detect a splice except I knew what was
taken [filmed] - -we all saw it, you know? Course the film footage of the
creature wasn’t that good but the other film footage was plain. It was
taken during sun light hours and I thought it was a good film. I don’t
know what you guys thought about it, but I thought it was a pretty good
film.
 
On October 26, 1967, the film was shown at the University of British Columbia (U.B.C.). Two screenings were conducted. The first screening was given to University scientists only. The second screening was to university scientists and Don Abbott and Frank Beebe (both of the British Columbia Provincial Museum). Roger Patterson and Bob Gimlin were at both sessions to answer questions. They also showed the audience the casts of the footprints found at the film site. Whether or not the second film roll was shown at these sessions is not clear. John Green, who was present, states this roll was shown; Rene Dahinden, also present, says it was not shown. Unfortunately, this roll vanished in the early 1970s.
 
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