Some thoughts about the Mohammed Cartoons

Sunni Man said:
No, a "real" man would take action in defence of the wronged.
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A real man defends the weak and powerless. A suck-up defends the strong and powerful.

Is your god weak and powerless? Or can he take care of himself?
 
Sunni Man said:
Sounds good to me.

Like I said before, Allah choses who are his. Apparently, you aren't one of those people.
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Keep on thinking that you are special, for apparently being chosen by a pretend deity that cannot be observed in any way.

Sort of like being chosen by the tooth fairy, then having to wear a tutu and a star wand.
 
Sunni Man said:
Why worship something that was created?

When you can worship the creator of all that has been created.
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But if you think of it, we only don't know how life originated out of nothing. We now know that life evolved on its own without intervention from a God. Any intervention after things got under way, is superflous. The evolution of the spider web is breathtaking in its complexity. Much more so, than a God who demands you fear him.

The God of the gaps, in religous thought, has been relegated to creating a few reproducing cells on the surface of a molten planet. Nature is the true majesty of this world, and in that moment infront of the cave, it saved Abu Bakr and Mohammed from being killed.
 
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Gate2501 said:
Everyone is messing with you, because you are claiming that you want to have an intellectual discussion, yet at the same time saying that your goofy religion should be allowed to shut down free speech and intellectual discourse if it runs against your pretend deity.

You also seem like a troll.

This is why you aren't being treated very nicely.
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Thanks for the tip Gate2501

I was just honestly putting out my point of view.

Maybe that is just too much for some closed minded people.

I assumed that people here were open to debate.

And whether or not they agree or disagree with me, would like to hear different points of view.

Over the last 7 years as a Muslim. I have visited many mosques in several states.

My job requires some travel. So whenever I go to other states I visit the local mosque in the city I am staying in.

Many times I am invited to dinner by the people who attend the mosque. Every mosque congregation is unique in that it reflects the ethnic makeup of that community.

There are mosques that are made up of Saudies, or Pakistanies, or Morrocans, or Turkish, just about every Islamic country in the world.

Because of this, I get a good feel for what the people of those countries think on many issues.

Plus, I get to eat alot of unique foods from the various cultures!
 
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Sunni Man said:
I NEVER said that and you know it.

I just said that they were recrutied, funded, equiped by the U.S. for Afghanistan.
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And that is 100% wrong. The US supported the indigenous Afghanis, not the foreign Arabs who actually played a very minor role in the fight agaisnt the Soviets.

Even OBL denies receiving any US assistance.
 
Sunni Man said:
Thanks for the lead.

But it is just a bunch of theorys. In essence, they haven't got a clue how life started!
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The word *theory* seems to be toxic in arguments with those who are not scientifically knowledgeable.

The reason that there are competing theories for the origin of life on earth, is due to the fact that there are many different scientifically plausible ways that it could have occurred.

Why on earth would you snub your nose at these natural explanations for life appearing on earth, and instead choose a supernatural explanation? That is like saying that my microwave cooked my hot pocket, however our understanding of microwave radiation is based on various theories. Therefore I must concur that my hot pocket was heated by an intangible unobservable unicorn.

Again. Please re-read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis

This time you may want to look up what a theory means in the scientific community first however.
 
Sunni Man said:
Thanks for the lead.

But it is just a bunch of theorys. In essence, they haven't got a clue how life started!
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'Haven't got a clue' is a bit harsh. You debunked that statement by saying that there are theories. Yet 1400 years on, Islam still hasn't got a theory on the creation of life. Saying 'God did it' is as hopeless as saying 'Aliens planted seeds on Earth'. If I said that I felt strongly that Aliens had seeded the Earth, with no evidence, surely that would be irrational. Why is the same not applied to yours?

Why is God relegated to just zapping some slime into life? Why did his Angels tell him it was a bad idea to create man on Earth, yet have no way of knowing if man would evolve out of slime? Remember, in evolution, God is superflous. Or did he see into the future and know man would evolve?

But, for a second, let's accept the argument from incredulity. Let's say a higher power did create these single celled organisms. Why does that qualify him for the magically massive leap to a higher power who cares about your sex life and is the Abrahamic God?
 
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Here's a summary of Sunni Man's positions:
1. His god is a weak god and easily offended.
2. Therefore, mere mortals must violently defend this god of his from cartoons and insults.
3. Laws in western countries should be changed to protect his weak god and even weaker prophet from insults, which make his god and his prophet cry and stamp their feet in anger.

Does that about cover it Sunni Man?
 
Sunni Man said:
Was not America formed within a religious framework?

Yet there was an abundance of intellectuall freedom.

Same with Islam.
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An 'abundance' of intellectual freedom within a rigid framework is not the same as intellectual freedom. Controlling religions probably evolved to enable tribal leaders maintain order amongst their unruly subjects, where a certain amount of mind-control is obviously handy. Aspects of the modern world now make it easier of us cannon-fodder to think for ourselves, and perhaps turn our backs on emotional appeals for bigoted violence.
 
WildCat said:
Here's a summary of Sunni Man's positions:
1. His god is a weak god and easily offended.
2. Therefore, mere mortals must violently defend this god of his from cartoons and insults.
3. Laws in western countries should be changed to protect his weak god and even weaker prophet from insults, which make his god and his prophet cry and stamp their feet in anger.

Does that about cover it Sunni Man?
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Hey, you are the one making up the infantile post. Why ask me?
 
If God is so weak and vulnerable that simple cartoons are a life-threatening affront to him, then I'd better get cracking and churn out as many Mohammed cartoons as possible. Who knows? I might be able to draw him to death by the end of the day.
 
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