Shanksville Debris 8 Mile Field?

[Jonnyclueless]

Gosh, you'd think that if the plane was shot down that more than just paper and things that blow n the wind would have ended up miles away.

 

[TC329]

1. You believe 93 was shot down?

I don't believe terrorists intentionally put a plane down in a big empty field.

3. Then you speculate wildly and show your ignorance of aircraft engagement?

Ok, then please provide the SOP for engaging 757 aircraft in order to put them down and enlighten me.

Do you think the little white drone shot it down or a US fighter aircraft? If the fighter aircraft then what was the purpose of the drone?

Again, you ask for speculation. Speculation you can belittle. The most likely scenario is that the drone was for surveillance but I can't rule out that was militarized in some fashion either. All I can do is let Mrs. McElwain and others have an outlet to tell their story free from an editor's hand.

You show a complete ignorance of how it would have happened if it did. How would they sever the engine?

Are you saying missiles would not be able to lock onto an engine and sever it from a commercial airliner? Yes or no?

The FDR shows all systems operational until it crashed if the engine had been shot off it would have shown this. They have to be close to fire the gun and it is not effective compared to AAM. They would not aim at the cockpit with the gun or the missile. How far away do you think the jet could have been shot down from?

I also don't believe any sort of engagement on the cockpit would be the source of the explosion(s) described by Felt and the residents of Hooversville either.

Ed Felts wife debunks your claims. Are you calling her a liar?

No, I am not calling Mrs. Felt a liar. Since you seem to be in communication with her can you at least tell me how to contact her?

I've learned with Mrs. McElwain and others that the corporate media is not always the most honest and best source for information. Especially in stories that appear way after the fact.

Have you a recording of them saying they were gagged? Or a source?

Contact them if you don't believe me. If I did have a recording I am smarter than to make it available to neonazicons who would use it to insure a suit was filed against me.

I do believe Glenn Cramers email address was publicly posted here before by another member. No one seemed to come back and produce an emailed response saying my statements that he has been gagged were untrue. Strange how that happens.......

 

[Walter Ego]

That there was a small plane there is pretty well documented. The question is, what was it?

The White Jet

Claim: At least six eyewitnesses say they saw a small white jet flying low over the crash area almost immediately after Flight 93 went down. BlogD.com theorizes that the aircraft was downed by "either a missile fired from an Air Force jet, or via an electronic assault made by a U.S. Customs airplane reported to have been seen near the site minutes after Flight 93 crashed." WorldNetDaily.com weighs in: "Witnesses to this low-flying jet ... told their story to journalists. Shortly thereafter, the FBI began to attack the witnesses with perhaps the most inane disinformation ever — alleging the witnesses actually observed a private jet at 34,000 ft. The FBI says the jet was asked to come down to 5000 ft. and try to find the crash site. This would require about 20 minutes to descend."

FACT: There was such a jet in the vicinity — a Dassault Falcon 20 business jet owned by the VF Corp. of Greensboro, N.C., an apparel company that markets Wrangler jeans and other brands. The VF plane was flying into Johnstown-Cambria airport, 20 miles north of Shanksville. According to David Newell, VF's director of aviation and travel, the FAA's Cleveland Center contacted copilot Yates Gladwell when the Falcon was at an altitude "in the neighborhood of 3000 to 4000 ft." — not 34,000 ft. "They were in a descent already going into Johnstown," Newell adds. "The FAA asked them to investigate and they did. They got down within 1500 ft. of the ground when they circled. They saw a hole in the ground with smoke coming out of it. They pinpointed the location and then continued on." Reached by PM, Gladwell confirmed this account but, concerned about ongoing harassment by conspiracy theorists, asked not to be quoted directly

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html?page=7

The BBC Conspiracy Files show covered this too.

 

[chris lz]

Ed Felt's phone call has not been debunked. I know all about the one little atricle in the NYTimes.

Ed Felt's brother was played the tape and said there was no mention of smoke or an explosion. Why doesn't that count as a plausible debunk?

 

[Walter Ego]

1)
I've contacted Westmoreland County 911 Operators and they have been gagged much like Sibel Edmonds. You don't place gag orders on people who corroborate your story.

Hmm... In exactly what way were they they 'gagged'?

 

[TC329]

The BBC Conspiracy Files show covered this too.

I released my interview with Susan McElwain uncut. They asked her if she had heard about the corporate jet and when she told them what she heard they put it in their show in attempt to discredit me and her.

The BBC will not ever let you see their interview uncut.

I HAVE.

 

[TC329]

Ed Felt's brother was played the tape and said there was no mention of smoke or an explosion. Why doesn't that count as a plausible debunk?

1) Where did he play it?
2) Who corroborate this?
3) Why isn't this phone call available to the public then like every other call made to 911 all over the country?
(minus the 9/11 Arlington calls & 9/11 calls from Indian Lake too)
4) Source?

 

[pomeroo]

I released my interview with Susan McElwain uncut. They asked her if she had heard about the corporate jet and when she told them what she heard they put it in their show in attempt to discredit me and her.

The BBC will not ever let you see their interview uncut.

I HAVE.

So, can I assume that you will be calling 'Hardfire' next Tuesday night, when a film crew from the BBC will be present?

 

[TC329]

Hmm... In exactly what way were they they 'gagged'?

Link

 

[pomeroo]

Hmm... In exactly what way were they they 'gagged'?

To be gagged like Sibel Edmonds means to chatter incessantly.

 

[TC329]

So, can I assume that you will be calling 'Hardfire' next Tuesday night, when a film crew from the BBC will be present?

Please make it happen.

I am actually begging you to.

I'll pm you my email address if you do not have it still.

Here's the link to my interview please get all of the audio.

And I will also claim right now that Teresa Weyant corroborates the above information and they are suppressing her testimony too and will not release it full and uncut.

 

[Par]

In exactly what way were they they 'gagged'?

[Gag Order is the order issued by a judge prohibiting the attorney and parties involved in a legal procedure not to disclose or discuss the matter involved in the case to the public, when the judge is of the opinion that such an action may prejudice or influence the outcome the trial.]

He said “in what way…” not “what is a gag order?”

 

[Par]

So, can I assume that you will be calling 'Hardfire' next Tuesday night, when a film crew from the BBC will be present?

Please make it happen. I am actually begging you to. I'll pm you my email address if you do not have it still...

Twice in a row. Do you read nothing that you respond to?

 

[funk de fino]

I don't believe terrorists intentionally put a plane down in a big empty field.

Just answer the question its a yes or no. Stop dodging

Ok, then please provide the SOP for engaging 757 aircraft in order to put them down and enlighten me.

Again, you ask for speculation. Speculation you can belittle. The most likely scenario is that the drone was for surveillance but I can't rule out that was militarized in some fashion either. All I can do is let Mrs. McElwain and others have an outlet to tell their story free from an editor's hand.

You missed the point, you say you will not speculate but is is all you do.

Surveillance for what? Militarized like what?

Are you saying missiles would not be able to lock onto an engine and sever it from a commercial airliner? Yes or no?

Depends what kind of missile but even then that is not what they are designed to do. A freak hit might do this. I can tell you all about fast jet fighters and missiles as I worked on them for 12 years. What is your aircraft experience?

Why did the FDR not show any explosion event or knocked off engine? Did we hear this on the CVR?

I also don't believe any sort of engagement on the cockpit would be the source of the explosion(s) described by Felt and the residents of Hooversville either.

Felt never described it, Shaws supervisor did IIRC. Felts wife claims he never either. So does other members of his family.

No, I am not calling Mrs. Felt a liar. Since you seem to be in communication with her can you at least tell me how to contact her?

You are the great investigator not me. I have seen her claims on the net from newspaper reports.

I've learned with Mrs. McElwain and others that the corporate media is not always the most honest and best source for information. Especially in stories that appear way after the fact.

Are you saying now that media is dishonest when it does not support you but is honest when it does? Lucky that eh? Your source for the Felt claim you make is?

Articles from the actual day are more accurate are they?

Contact them if you don't believe me. If I did have a recording I am smarter than to make it available to neonazicons who would use it to insure a suit was filed against me.

Show us proof of a gagging order or strike it off as speculation or media dishonesty. Dodge noted

I do believe Glenn Cramers email address was publicly posted here before by another member. No one seemed to come back and produce an emailed response saying my statements that he has been gagged were untrue. Strange how that happens.......

Did he speak to Felt? Did he take his call?

 

[TC329]

He said “in what way…” not “what is a gag order?”

My bad, I thought everyone was intelligent enough to realize I didn't mean by one of these things :

he is not tied up anywhere like the gimp in the basement from pulp fiction or anything. just to clarify.

 

[Walter Ego]

He said “in what way…” not “what is a gag order?”

Yes, that’s what I meant. More specifically, does ‘gagged’ mean they couldn’t talk to you? Or, more likely, that they didn’t want to talk to you or that they didn’t tell you what you wanted to know?

 

[Jonnyclueless]

Isn't it funny how these people with Gag orders have no problem talking to the press. Apparently the gag order is specific to truthers.

Of course let's see the proof of this gag order.

 

[funk de fino]

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/s_90401.html

Edward Felt was identified in May after his family listened to the cockpit and 911 tapes during a meeting of the families and the FBI in Princeton, N.J. Gordon Felt said he recognized his brother's methodical way of handling things and disagrees with Shaw's characterization.

"My brother was not scared," he said. "He was very composed, under the circumstances. He was trying to give the right information. He was being methodical. That's the way he was. He thought everything through. He was giving the flight number and details of the hijacking."

 

[Walter Ego]

My bad, I thought everyone was intelligent enough to realize I didn't mean by one of these things :

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he is not tied up anywhere like the gimp in the basement from pulp fiction or anything. just to clarify.

I know what a gag order is. I there a gag order on file in a courthouse that prevented them from talking to you? Can you produce a link to this gag order if it exists?

 

[Par]

My bad, I thought everyone was intelligent enough to realize I didn't mean by one of these things...

So, you thought everyone was intelligent enough to know what a gag order was, but you decided to respond by defining one anyway. That’s weird, but all right.