Shanksville Debris 8 Mile Field?

[chris lz]

Hi Walter:


Donald Rumsfeld says the 9-11 plane was “shot down” in Pennsylvania

If taken literally, that means Rumsfeld thinks terrorists shot it down. Is that what you believe?

So far I haven't seen any evidence for the contention of a staged crash in your posts, other than your own personal intuition. What evidence do you have for any of the following:

1- planted crash debris
2-phone calls faked
3-DNA evidence planted
4-black boxes faked

Let's hear specific evidence that you have.

 

[TC329]

I believe the large debris field myth of 8 or MORE miles long got started because someone calculated distance using a road map.

Yeah you're wrong, which is consistent for you. While it is about a 12 mile drive from the crash site to New Baltimore, according to Google Earth it's 8.26 miles the way the crow flies there.....

The debris field WAS NOT consistent with even a low altitude shoot down.

News reports from on the scene said the debris was scattered in a 3-4 mile radius.

FBI set up a site in Indian Lake (2 miles southeast) and New Baltimore (8 miles southeast) of the crash site.

Jim Stop, who was fishing at Indian Lake told the Pittsburgh Tribune Review he saw the plane breaking apart in the air. Also mentioned is that Indian Lake residents called 911 reporting a low flying plane "breaking up on their homes".

Resident Gerry Lowery collected 3 garbage bags of debris exactly like the debris shown scattered across the ground by the cabin near the crater.

Wally Miller disclosed to Jeff Hill (audio available at pumpitout.com) that he photographed the "Indian Lake site". I'm sure you can figure out why the Coroner of record and not the FBI were taking pictures in Indian Lake.

If not, Tom Spinelli witnessed human remains in the lake there which I'm sure you'll say were blown there by that days violent wind conditions.....

In addition, no one has been able to show any fighter within range of UA93 to shoot it down. Any fighter would have had to hide from the FAA, NORAD, and the ATC folks at Johnstown in addition to other eyewitnesses. There were no stealth fighters capable of air-to-air shots in 2001.

LOL!!!!

How about you call Johnstown ATC and get a list of names of who was working that day and ask each one of them to be interviewed. Come on don't be afraid to do some homework.

Although I'll tell you right now so you can all start your ad-hom attacks, they aren't going to tell you anything. They're gagged just like the Westmoreland County 911 Operators who handled Ed Felt's call.

Ed Felt told John Shaw (call listened in on by Glenn Cramer) that there had been an explosion and white smoke was filling up the plane.

Laura Hoover, Micheal & Lisa Merringer all heards airborned explosions while the plane was still airborne.

All that exists regarding another aircraft in the area is a fantasy of one of the CIT kooks who contends there was an A-10 or a UAV of some sort that flew below utility lines. It is pure and utter horse hockey.

There was no A10.

There was a UAV drone plane.

The drone was witnessed by :

Susan McElwain
Viola Saylor
John Fleegle
Jim Brandt
Dennis Decker
Lee Purbaugh
Tim Lensbourer
Robert Blair
Susan Custer
Robin Duppstadt

And countless other witnesses including many who were previously undocumented.

Are you calling all these people liars?

 

[Jonnyclueless]

Oh lord, not the same TC crap again which has already been debunked 1000 times. Couldn't you have just put a link to an old thread so we don't have to keep repeating everything?

 

[Alferd_Packer]

Are you calling all these people liars?

Yes

 

[leftysergeant]

I won't call all of them liars. Those coming forward before 13 September are probably mistaken as to what they witnessed. Those after are probably lying or confabulating. The "previously un-documented" accounts are worthless.

 

[Reheat]

Are you calling all these people liars?

Nope, not all of them. I'm calling your ideas delusional junk!

There is not even any need for additional rebuttal as this stuff you've puked is more of the same crap that has been more than adequately shown to be totally delusional and distorted garbage. No one pays any attention to it any more except your CIT buddies.

Even the people you've named who YOU SAY saw all of these incriminating things DO NOT share your delusions. Seems to me any rational sane person would have realized by now what a massive waste of oxygen the CoLoSsal iNsTigAtoR TeAm is.

BTW, when are you going to Court with your "stuff"?

 

[jhunter1163]

I prefer Special High-level Investigative Team myself for Lyte and Aldo.

 

[TC329]

Nope, not all of them. I'm calling your ideas delusional junk!

So all these people saw a small UAV as described by Mrs. McElwain, the type which I've proven since the release of her interview do exist despite the claims of the kool aid drinking neonazicons that its impossible for planes to be that small or manuever like that, are all delusional about the drone. And since you've never spoken to any of them and have never been to the area we should just take your word for it. After all you're an armchair investigator or a master of regurgitating what you are told.

Even the people you've named who YOU SAY saw all of these incriminating things DO NOT share your delusions. Seems to me any rational sane person would have realized by now what a massive waste of oxygen the CoLoSsal iNsTigAtoR TeAm is.

They don't? Ok. Take the lists of names and get them to admit on camera it was a corporate jet. Should be rather easy, right?

BTW, when are you going to Court with your "stuff"?

Wouldn't you like to know?


ETA : Thanks for admitting you were wrong about the New Baltimore distance. Oh thats right you just left it out.......

Get use to doing that.

 

[TC329]

I won't call all of them liars. Those coming forward before 13 September are probably mistaken as to what they witnessed. Those after are probably lying or confabulating. The "previously un-documented" accounts are worthless.

What if the previously undocumented ones only corroborate further the claims of the previous documented ones?

Do you consider the Police Sargeants at the Citgo Stations testimonials to be "lying, confabulating, & worthless" in regards to Flight 77?

 

[DavidJames]

Do you consider the Police Sargeants at the Citgo Stations testimonials to be "lying, confabulating, & worthless" in regards to Flight 77?

No, "lying, confabulating, & worthless", would be how I describe the CIT cowards who interviewed him. Cowards because they have done nothing, zip, zilch, nada, with their "evidence" to actually bring justice.

 

[bynmdsue]

By the way, do we know why he calls Bush "Senor Bushie"? Is it because of his immigration policies? I mean why senor? Why not "Monsuir Bushie" or even "Herr Bushie"?

I'm sure the word "junta" is involved.

 

[chris lz]

Yeah you're wrong, which is consistent for you. While it is about a 12 mile drive from the crash site to New Baltimore, according to Google Earth it's 8.26 miles the way the crow flies there.....

That is right. However there were also initial reports stating the debris that fell on Indian lake was up to six miles away. That turned out to be three to six miles by road.

News reports from on the scene said the debris was scattered in a 3-4 mile radius.

That was probably the Indian Lake debris, with the road distance given as 3-4 miles.

Jim Stop, who was fishing at Indian Lake told the Pittsburgh Tribune Review he saw the plane breaking apart in the air. Also mentioned is that Indian Lake residents called 911 reporting a low flying plane "breaking up on their homes".

When eyewitnesses give conflicting accounts, isn't the best policy to treat as more credible what they all agree on, and less credible what only a few say? I believe only one or perhaps two of all the witnesses claimed the plane was actually over IL. Since debris from the plane came down over IL moments later, such a claim doesn't seem overly suspicious to me.

Resident Gerry Lowery collected 3 garbage bags of debris exactly like the debris shown scattered across the ground by the cabin near the crater.

What does it prove?

Wally Miller disclosed to Jeff Hill (audio available at pumpitout.com) that he photographed the "Indian Lake site". I'm sure you can figure out why the Coroner of record and not the FBI were taking pictures in Indian Lake.

No , I don't know the significance.

If not, Tom Spinelli witnessed human remains in the lake there which I'm sure you'll say were blown there by that days violent wind conditions.....

"Human remains" can be an arm, or a finger nail. How much did it weigh?

Ed Felt told John Shaw (call listened in on by Glenn Cramer) that there had been an explosion and white smoke was filling up the plane.

The story was discredited.

The drone was witnessed by :

Susan McElwain
Viola Saylor
John Fleegle
Jim Brandt
Dennis Decker
Lee Purbaugh
Tim Lensbourer
Robert Blair
Susan Custer
Robin Duppstadt

And countless other witnesses including many who were previously undocumented.

Are you calling all these people liars?

That there was a small plane there is pretty well documented. The question is, what was it?

 

[Reheat]

Do you consider the Police Sargeants at the Citgo Stations testimonials to be "lying, confabulating, & worthless" in regards to Flight 77?

Tell me to which part of their testimony you are referring? Is it the North of the Citgo part or the fact that they say AA77 crashed into the Pentagon?

BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

 

[beachnut]

What if the previously undocumented ones only corroborate further the claims of the previous documented ones?

Do you consider the Police Sargeants at the Citgo Stations testimonials to be "lying, confabulating, & worthless" in regards to Flight 77?

I have them on tape saying 77 hit the Pentagon. Why do you make up lies? How can you be so research challenged to post lies! This is like your video of the plane flying under the wires! You have to have the dumbest ideas on 9/11. How can you post stuff that is debunked already?

Between Brooks and Lagasse, they debunk you with statements made in 2001 of seeing 77 hit the lamp posts and hit the Pentagon. Sorry, your ideas are impossible.

American Airlines Flight 77 from Washington-Dulles International Airport crashed into the Pentagon at 9:37 a.m. William Lagasse, Chadwick Brooks, and Donald Brennan were Pentagon police officers on duty at the time of the attack. Lagasse was in the process of refueling his police car when the American Airliner flew past him so low that its wind blast knocked him into his vehicle. In an interview conducted in December 2001 , Lagasse described the secondary explosions and the search and recovery of injured Pentagon personnel. Brooks saw the hijacked plane clip lampposts and nosedive into the Pentagon and described the ensuing scenes of chaos in his interview, taped November 25, 2001.
Your witnesses prove you wrong.

There was a UAV drone plane.

The drone was witnessed by :
Robert Blair
And countless other witnesses including many who were previously undocumented.
Are you calling all these people liars?

No, you are making them liars by making up stories!

Bob Blair was completing a routine drive to Shade Creek just after 10 a.m. Tuesday, when he saw a huge silver plane fly past him just above the treetops and crash into the woods along Lambertsville Road.

Blair, of Stoystown, a driver with Jim Barron Trucking of Somerset, was traveling in a coal truck along with Doug Miller of Somerset, when they saw the plane spiraling to the ground and then explode on the outskirts of Lambertsville.

“I saw the plane flying upside down overhead and crash into the nearby trees. My buddy, Doug, and I grabbed our fire extinguishers and ran to the scene,” said Blair.

Oops; seems like your witness must of changed his story because the only plane in the ground was 93. Gee, if you had any knowledge at all on aircraft impacts you would not be making up lies. Did they lie now about what they said then?

 

[Reheat]

There was a UAV drone plane.

The drone was witnessed by :

Susan McElwain
Viola Saylor
John Fleegle
Jim Brandt
Dennis Decker
Lee Purbaugh
Tim Lensbourer
Robert Blair
Susan Custer
Robin Duppstadt

And countless other witnesses including many who were previously undocumented.

Yep, I just confirmed this with your witnesses. I just got off the phone with the last one and this is what they all say they saw:

 

[gumboot]

Ed Felt told John Shaw (call listened in on by Glenn Cramer) that there had been an explosion and white smoke was filling up the plane.

I suspect what the witness actually saw was a fire extinguisher being used on one of the hijackers. Someone who has never seen a dry powder fire extinguisher being used before will typically be quite surprised by just how loud they are, and just how much white "smoke" they produce.

 

[gumboot]

Regarding the debris field, it is a weak argument to cite scattered debris as evidence of a mid air break up. A ground impact of an airliner is quite capable of distributing debris over a very large area.

The debris fields for mid-air break ups tend to be an order of magnitude larger at least. If UA93 had broken up in mid air (assuming a fairly low altitude break up) I would expect to see debris up to 100mi from the main impact site.

 

[Jonnyclueless]

Let's see Gerry Lowery's testimony please.

 

[leftysergeant]

LaGasse needs to learn to keep his story straight. He seems to tell two different stories, one to Citizen Idiots Team and one to whoever else.

The bit about the wind blowing him back into his car does not make even a little bit of sense. Check out some of the landings videos of St, Maartens. Jet slip streams are not really that much of anything.

 

[TC329]

Tell me to which part of their testimony you are referring? Is it the North of the Citgo part or the fact that they say AA77 crashed into the Pentagon?

BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Both.

Why didn't you answer the question?