Shanksville Debris 8 Mile Field?

[pomeroo]

Both.

Why didn't you answer the question?

Yes, this is the question that sent the frauds Craig Ranke and Aldo Marquis fleeing with their tails between their legs. Which of the two mutually-exclusive claims will the witnesses abandon? Hmmm. I know the answer and so does everybody else--including Ranke and Marquis.

Our boy Terral has grown remarkably shy. I keep asking him to confirm that he agrees that there was no stand-down. As he insists that a heroic pilot shot down the hijacked plane, his position is clear. For some reason, he won't admit it.

 

[Reheat]

Both.

Why didn't you answer the question?

Well, if it's really that crucial to you, I'll answer the question. It's really pretty easy and one you can even answer yourself if you're truly seeking the truth.

The part of their testimony that's true is the same as with any eyewitness, it's the part that agrees with the physical evidence. Even you ought to be able to figure that one out!

 

[TC329]

I have them on tape saying 77 hit the Pentagon. Why do you make up lies?

Where did I ever say any of them didn't say that? One of the trolls here called previously undocumented witnesses 'worthless & liars'. I asked him if the previously undocumented Pentagon eyewitnesses were worthless liars.

I did not say they said AA77 didn't hit the Pentagon. The tactics of the cult here are so predictable.

How can you be so research challenged to post lies! This is like your video of the plane flying under the wires! You have to have the dumbest ideas on 9/11. How can you post stuff that is debunked already?

In the video Susan says she believes the plane had to be flying under the wires because of how low it was. Nowhere does she state it definitely was and there is no way she could have seen what it was doing before she actually saw it.

Of course it would be easy to manuever a small drone plane as described but the argument isn't the height the drone plane was flying but the fact that the drone plane was there. Pathetic attempt on your part and no one has debunked the drone plane.

I'm ignoring the rest of your pentagon discussion until you show where I said they said the plane didn't hit the building.

Oops; seems like your witness must of changed his story because the only plane in the ground was 93. Gee, if you had any knowledge at all on aircraft impacts you would not be making up lies. Did they lie now about what they said then?

Flight Data Recorder Is Found at Pa. Site "Robert Blair, 41, also of Stoystown, was driving his coal-hauling route when he saw the plane crash a few miles away. He noticed the second plane because he had heard on his truck radio earlier that the FAA had grounded all aircraft, and he said it was flying east -- the same direction as Flight 93. He said the FBI asked him whether it looked like a military plane, but Blair remembered only that it was "a big jet flying low." - Washington Post (09/14/01)




SO what 2nd plane did Robert Blair notice if the 2nd plane noticed by all the other witnesses was the drone plane?

 

[Swing Dangler]

I suspect what the witness actually saw was a fire extinguisher being used on one of the hijackers. Someone who has never seen a dry powder fire extinguisher being used before will typically be quite surprised by just how loud they are, and just how much white "smoke" they produce.

Source?

leftysergeant LaGasse needs to learn to keep his story straight. He seems to tell two different stories, one to Citizen Idiots Team and one to whoever else.

The bit about the wind blowing him back into his car does not make even a little bit of sense. Check out some of the landings videos of St, Maartens. Jet slip streams are not really that much of anything.

Wrong. See Smash Lab, Discovery Channel for slip streams etc. You may also want to view slides 5 and 6 there along with the full episode.
Plus your comparing a landing speeds to supposedly full throttle speeds. That just turruble.

Gumboot-Regarding the debris field, it is a weak argument to cite scattered debris as evidence of a mid air break up. A ground impact of an airliner is quite capable of distributing debris over a very large area.

Please define "very large area". Does a large area equate to miles? Thanks!
Considering the historical record, can you cite evidence that other ground impacts left debris miles away? Thanks.

TC329How about you call Johnstown ATC and get a list of names of who was working that day and ask each one of them to be interviewed. Come on don't be afraid to do some homework.

I see nobody is actively taking TC up on this challenge. Why is that? You

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debunkers challenge Truthers to do that kind of thing all the time. Heck even Pomeroo

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claims to have called demolition folks to disprove the "pull it" term. On the other hand, one email of mine to a CD company proved "Pull it" IS used outside of the CD industry to refer to CD with explosives. Go figure.
Come on

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, Debunkers take the TC challenge! I can't wait to see your results.

 

[TC329]

I suspect what the witness actually saw was a fire extinguisher being used on one of the hijackers. Someone who has never seen a dry powder fire extinguisher being used before will typically be quite surprised by just how loud they are, and just how much white "smoke" they produce.

Yeah that fire extinguisher was so loud that Laura Temyer, Michael Merringer, Lisa Merringer, etc. heard it go "boom" 3 times while they were on the ground in Hooversville.

Ed Felt is probably was probably just some dummy who couldn't tell a fire extinguisher from an actual explosion, huh?

 

[Reheat]

Of course it would be easy to manuever a small drone plane as described

Evidence please. You're continuing to spout nonsense based upon YOUR delusions.

Pathetic attempt on your part and no one has debunked the drone plane.

Well then, I'll debunk it right now. There was or is no such vehicle in the inventory of ANY COUNTRY IN THE WORLD capable of doing what you say it did = DEBUNKED. How's that?

SO what 2nd plane did Robert Blair notice if the 2nd plane noticed by all the other witnesses was the drone plane?

Even you ought to be able to figure this one out, based upon all of the reliable evidence. I'll bet you can't. Prove me wrong.

 

[funk de fino]

For TC

1. Do you think Flight 93 was shot down?
2. At what height if so?
3. By what means was it shot down if so?

The Ed Felt call has been debunked and you should not use his name in vain like that.

 

[Jonnyclueless]

Ed's testimony has already been debunked and it was determined form the tapes that he certainly did not say there was an explosion on the plane. His wife confirmed this. The only source for the claim is a british tabloid which is anything but a credible source and does not source their info. And I would like to see someone actually talk to the guy who took the phone call that they claim the quote came from.

Still waiting to see Gerry Lowery's testimony.

 

[TC329]

Evidence please. You're continuing to spout nonsense based upon YOUR delusions.

There are no such things as little white drone planes with 10' wingspans.

Well then, I'll debunk it right now. There was or is no such vehicle in the inventory of ANY COUNTRY IN THE WORLD capable of doing what you say it did = DEBUNKED. How's that?

Ummmmmmmmm see above link? You're debunked....and ignorant and uninformed.

 

[TC329]

I see nobody is activley taking TC up on this challenge. Why is that? You despunkers challenge Truthers to do that kind of thing all the time. Heck even Pooperoo claims to have called demolition folks to disprove the "pull it" term. On the other hand, one email of mine to a CD company proved "Pull it" IS used outside of the CD industry to refer to CD with explosives. Go figure.
Come on despunkers, take the TC challenge! I can't wait to see your results.

And you won't.

One of the neonazicons here once offered to set up a visit to Johnstown ATC. He claimed he knew someone there and that he was going to bring a camera and embarass me and put it on the internet.

Naturally, I accepted.

He backed out quicker than gravy backed out of debating me on that fools public access show..........

 

[twinstead]

TC329 some members of competing sects of your cult think you are disinfo.

 

[TC329]

For TC

1. Do you think Flight 93 was shot down?
2. At what height if so?
3. By what means was it shot down if so?

The Ed Felt call has been debunked and you should not use his name in vain like that.

1) I believe a plane was engaged in PA.
2) This requires speculation, I'm not engaging in it.
3) See #2. Although the fact that one of the engines was recovered from a seperate site and the claim is it bounced and rolled there (although no one has found a single mark on the ground to corroborate that claim). I would suspect that fighter jets would most likely sever an engine and fire some sort of ammunition rounds into the cockpit personally but again I am speculating.

Ed Felt's phone call has not been debunked. I know all about the one little atricle in the NYTimes.

I've contacted Westmoreland County 911 Operators and they have been gagged much like Sibel Edmonds. You don't place gag orders on people who corroborate your story.

So many people been gagged about 9/11 but there's no cover up going on..........

And Johnnyclueless - Pittsburgh Tribune Review, Post Gazette, & Sommerset Daily American are not British Tabloids.


P.S. Gerry Lowery - try google, its an amazing tool. You could also contact him yourself

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[TC329]

TC329 some members of competing sects of your cult think you are disinfo.

You're right. The no planers who think an A10 bombed a scar in a field in Shanksville while a C130 (that no one saw) dropped debris over the area and everything is planted.

Let them think that. Personally, I don't care. I know people are more fascinated by the most fantastic stories. No one anywhere in this movement wanted to interview me after the Susan McElwain interview. But a year before that when I batted around the idea that some sort of DEW was used (before Woods started using that claim at GZ) my email box was filling up and my phone was ringing off the hook.

They still haven't explained how Wally Miller identified 14 people.

I'm not selling fantasy, I'm giving away truth.

Let those say what they will about me. I will be vindicated soon enough.

 

[Reheat]

There are no such things as little white drone planes with 10' wingspans.





Ummmmmmmmm see above link? You're debunked....and ignorant and uninformed.

Note the altitude of that drone. Note the date of the linked post and photo. Here's what I said and you're making a lame attempt to prove that drones do exist which is not in contention.

Well then, I'll debunk it right now. There was or is no such vehicle in the inventory of ANY COUNTRY IN THE WORLD capable of doing what you say it did = DEBUNKED. How's that?

You're several years late and a sandwich short of a picnic if you think that photo proves your point even remotely.

If you're going to pursue this tripe you have more question to attempt to answer for the rest of the day.

The first questions are what was the purpose of your imaginary drone?

Who and from where was it controlled?

Answer carefully for the lurkers who might think you are a wacky kook with a delusional imagination.

 

[beachnut]

Flight Data Recorder Is Found at Pa. Site "Robert Blair, 41, also of Stoystown, was driving his coal-hauling route when he saw the plane crash a few miles away. He noticed the second plane because he had heard on his truck radio earlier that the FAA had grounded all aircraft, and he said it was flying east -- the same direction as Flight 93. He said the FBI asked him whether it looked like a military plane, but Blair remembered only that it was "a big jet flying low." - Washington Post (09/14/01)


A Dassault Falcon 20, was asked to fly low and look! Sorry, but your misinformation is a fraud. A plane was asked to fly low and Blair saw the Plane. BUSTED (how do you mess up 9/11 so effortlessly?)

Drone plane is one of the most stupid ideas of 9/11 truth. lol

 

[Jonnyclueless]

And you won't.

One of the neonazicons here once offered to set up a visit to Johnstown ATC. He claimed he knew someone there and that he was going to bring a camera and embarass me and put it on the internet.

Naturally, I accepted.

He backed out quicker than gravy backed out of debating me on that fools public access show..........

Let's see your interview with the ATC. And once again. Still waiting to see Gerry Lowery's testimony.

 

[pomeroo]

And you won't.

One of the neonazicons here once offered to set up a visit to Johnstown ATC. He claimed he knew someone there and that he was going to bring a camera and embarass me and put it on the internet.

Naturally, I accepted.

He backed out quicker than gravy backed out of debating me on that fools public access show..........

I am that fool and that ain't the way the rest of us remember it.

 

[TC329]

I am that fool and that ain't the way the rest of us remember it.

it sure was. mark labeled me a 'no planer' and that was it. there is no evidence anywhere that i am a no planer because i am not.

 

[TC329]

That there was a small plane there is pretty well documented. The question is, what was it?

Please Watch then.

 

[funk de fino]

1) I believe a plane was engaged in PA.
2) This requires speculation, I'm not engaging in it.
3) See #2. Although the fact that one of the engines was recovered from a seperate site and the claim is it bounced and rolled there (although no one has found a single mark on the ground to corroborate that claim). I would suspect that fighter jets would most likely sever an engine and fire some sort of ammunition rounds into the cockpit personally but again I am speculating.

Ed Felt's phone call has not been debunked. I know all about the one little atricle in the NYTimes.

I've contacted Westmoreland County 911 Operators and they have been gagged much like Sibel Edmonds. You don't place gag orders on people who corroborate your story.

So many people been gagged about 9/11 but there's no cover up going on..........

And Johnnyclueless - Pittsburgh Tribune Review, Post Gazette, & Sommerset Daily American are not British Tabloids.


P.S. Gerry Lowery - try google, its an amazing tool. You could also contact him yourself

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1. You believe 93 was shot down?
2. You do not know by what so you will not speculate
3. Then you speculate wildly and show your ignorance of aircraft engagement?

Ho Ho, very well done. No wonder you are just one of CIT minions.

Do you think the little white drone shot it down or a US fighter aircraft? If the fighter aircraft then what was the purpose of the drone?

You show a complete ignorance of how it would have happened if it did. How would they sever the engine? The FDR shows all systems operational until it crashed if the engine had been shot off it would have shown this. They have to be close to fire the gun and it is not effective compared to AAM. They would not aim at the cockpit with the gun or the missile. How far away do you think the jet could have been shot down from?

Ed Felts wife debunks your claims. Are you calling her a liar?

Have you a recording of them saying they were gagged? Or a source?