AE911Truth Watch

[ref]

This has taken place on screwloosechange as well.

Number of days that have gone by since Richard Gage admitted that his squib claim was false, without removing it from his website: 30

I will add in by including the "AE911Truth goal of 1000 members by September 11th, 2008" chart.

The right end of that chart is at Sept 11, 2008. They have a looot of work to do. Looks like they are going to break 300 though. Current count is 264.

 

[boloboffin]

As of today, the number of days that have gone by since Richard Gage admitted that his squib claim was false, without removing it from his website: 40

In the meantime, AE911Truth has completely erased his old slideshow. Two days ago, they updated the front page to remove the sample slide of the old slideshow and replaced it with a sample slide from the new slideshow.

Both slides were the collapse hypothesis slide for 7 World Trade. Both slides continue to display the squibs argument. The slide is so small that the type is illegible, but there are clearly still 10 points under the Characteristics of Controlled Demolition section of the slide. This is slide 24 in his new Powerpoint, and it is reproduced here:

40 days after Gage admitted the speciousness of the 7 World Trade squib argument, he continues to show no sign of removing this argument from his site. Indeed, he shows every sign of continuing to promote an known false argument.

 

[Sizzler]

^perhaps he re-evaluated his position.....

 

[boloboffin]

Has he? Gotta link?

 

[DGM]

He also lists 'Cameron Porter' as one of his engineers on the front page although he has been told it's a fake.

 

[Sizzler]

Has he? Gotta link?

just speculation

why don't you ask him if you are so concerned?

 

[beachnut]

The right end of that chart is at Sept 11, 2008. They have a looot of work to do. Looks like they are going to break 300 though. Current count is 264.

Do they know they have fake people, and people put on by others as a prank?

 

[Calcas]

Do they know they have fake people, and people put on by others as a prank?

I joined with a fake engineer name just to get on his nutcase email mailing list.

After realizing that the emails were garbage, I replied to the last one (about 3 weeks ago) and fessed up. I told him to remove the name.

Guess what.

It's still there...

 

[Terral]

The "Building Fires Did It" debunkers Still have NO CASE. Period.

Hi REF:

This has taken place on screwloosechange as well.

Number of days that have gone by since Richard Gage admitted that his squib claim was false, without removing it from his website: 30

Man-0-man are you guys WAY off track. This is a clear case of far too many CT ‘debunkers’ (heh) writing nonsense in a 911Truth vacuum, when you have no “Building Fires Did It” or “Building Debris Did It” or “19 Bearded Jihadist Radicals Did It” case using any evidence at all. Richard Gage has no reason to remove the ‘squib’ evidence from his presentation, but “Squibs” (Chris Sarns) is merely pointing out that these complicated points be dropped from ‘future presentations because they just give ‘debunkers’ something to rail about.’ (Sun, 01/06/2008 - 5:25pm.). I know Chris from the Loose Change Board where he writes on my WTC-7 thread (like here = I like his avatar) and he is very much in support of the Controlled Demolition Explanation. I am also an AE911Truth member like Chris and know Richard Gage from our many conversations on these WTC topics. You guys act like this ‘squib’ argument is the basis of Richard’s entire Controlled Demolition Explanation, when in reality that is just one minor piece of the puzzle. Does this mean REF or any of these JREF ‘debunkers’ have a “WTC-7 Collapsed From Building Fires” Case? No! Does ‘this’ look like a picture of a real skyscraper collapsing from Building Fires? No!

Take another look at the ‘squib’ evidence frame-by-frame (here) and decide for yourself. The counter starts at 00:00, but click the >> button and keep your eyes fixed just above the “KTLA 5” logo showing “this” and evidence of this. Richard Gage is not the only 911Truther highlighting the evidence of ‘squibs’ (see the video) in the WTC Controlled Demolition cases. Here we have ‘squibs’ emerging on several WTC-7 floors simultaneously AND none of the concrete floors are in the process of collapse.

Richard’s biggest problem (IMHO) is that he is a really nice guy and wants very much to please everyone, which at times is interpreted as him being wishy-washy. All you are seeing here is Richard’s attempts to shape his CD Presentation for acceptance by an even wider audience, by eliminating what Chris sees as a weakness in the much larger overall case. That means Richard’s next presentation might contain more ‘molten metal’ evidence and less from the ‘squib’ side of the equation. However, the “Building Fires Did It” cronies will still have NO CASE for anything at all. That is the very reason they chuck stones at Richard rather than ‘debate’ the substance of his many CD arguments . . .

GL,

Terral

 

[boloboffin]

Terral, you don't understand. This is what Gage said:

We will strike the controversial WTC7 squibs (in the upper right corner) from the online PPT and upcoming DVD update. I agree with the analysis - particularly the impossible "stationary explosions". ((Damn - I thought these were the real deal!)).

His agreement with the analysis is more than enough reason for getting rid of the argument. If he thinks that it's a false argument, why is he still, STILL, promoting it?

 

[Terral]

Richard Is Standing In The Middle Trying To Make EVERYONE Happy . . .

Hi Bolo:

Terral, you don't understand. This is what Gage said:

His agreement with the analysis is more than enough reason for getting rid of the argument. If he thinks that it's a false argument, why is he still, STILL, promoting it?

Richard Gage is not the originator of the “squib” argument or the supreme being in charge of representing the entire 911Truth Movement on anything at all. He is just one architect trying to make everybody happy, which includes AE911Truth members like Terral and Chris on the one side and delusional Building Fires Did It ‘debukers’ on the other side. This is a good lesson proving beyond all doubt that it is impossible to make everyone happy, which hopefully Richard will learn at some point down the road . . .

The ‘squib’ evidence should remain a part of Richard’s larger CD Explanation simply because so much ‘squib’ evidence exists in the different videos showing the CD-like collapse of all three WTC skyscrapers. Just put ‘squib’ and ‘WTC’ into your Google search engine and you find MUCH more than just information about Richard’s CD Presentation . . .

GL,

Terral

 

[twinstead]

Terral nice try, but this is a PRIME example of the tactics your movement uses.

Just look at that slide boloboffin posted! It's crap. Iron Microspheres and molten Iron? In WTC7??? It is carefully crafted to fool people who don't actually do their own research. This is PROPAGANDA, Terral. This should be anathema to people truly interested in the truth, on either side of this issue.

 

[Good Lt]

Hi Bolo:




Richard Gage is not the originator of the “squib” argument or the supreme being in charge of representing the entire 911Truth Movement on anything at all. He is just one architect trying to make everybody happy,

So he's more interested in making his legions of followers happy than in getting the facts right? That's your excuse of this fraud's incompetence and errors?

which includes AE911Truth members like Terral and Chris on the one side and delusional Building Fires Did It ‘debukers’ on the other side. This is a good lesson proving beyond all doubt that it is impossible to make everyone happy, which hopefully Richard will learn at some point down the road . . .

It is also impossible for Troofers to understand simple standards of evidence, to correct their mistakes, to put forth theories and alternative explanations supported by reems of factual evidence, etc.

In other words, he's just another fradulent Troofer trying to make money off of the gullible and off the memory of the 9-11 victims.

The ‘squib’ evidence should remain a part of Richard’s larger CD Explanation simply because so much ‘squib’ evidence exists in the different videos showing the CD-like collapse of all three WTC skyscrapers. Just put ‘squib’ and ‘WTC’ into your Google search engine and you find MUCH more than just information about Richard’s CD Presentation . . .

They're not 'squibs,' and there is no "evidence" of controlled demolition. Sorry to ruin the fact-free nature of you response.

So now the results of a Google search are considered evidence of something? It's not even research. It's just being lazy and saying "see, other Troofers pave posted this on their meaningless websites thousands of times."

As is often forgotten by the Troof cult, repeating a lie over and over again doesn't make it true. Ignoring the facts does not change the facts.

 

[defaultdotxbe]

Richard Gage is not the originator of the “squib” argument or the supreme being in charge of representing the entire 911Truth Movement on anything at all. He is just one architect trying to make everybody happy
GL,

Terral

so the 911truth movement isnt about 911truth, its about making everybody happy?

 

[1337m4n]

so the 911truth movement isnt about 911truth, its about making everybody happy?

And suddenly, everything made sense.

 

[twinstead]

Terral you should be all over Gage on this issue if you are indeed looking for the 'truth'. He makes your movement look like idiots. And not in the "he must be disinfo" way that most truthers resort to, but actively demanding he clean up his act. You should be just as hard as people within your own movement whom you feel misrepresent facts as you are everybody else.

 

[PB&J]

I wish I could live in Terral's world where buildings are only 5' tall

 

[boloboffin]

Richard Gage is not the originator of the “squib” argument or the supreme being in charge of representing the entire 911Truth Movement on anything at all.

He IS responsible for his own material and he is ON RECORD as relinquishing that squib foolishness, and yet he continues to promote it.

Let me explain this to you. For example, let's suppose that you managed to speak to Pat Robertson, let's say. You managed to convince him about your Two Churches interpretation. You would expect him to immediately change his website and teaching materials about the Two Churches doctrine, wouldn't you? Pat's got a lot of stuff out there, of course, and it wouldn't be an immediate change, but a visible effort should be apparent to you if only as a symbol of good faith.

This is the same thing. Gage has disavowed the argument. He thought, past tense, that it was the real thing. He no longer thinks this and yet he is continuing to post what he considers to be an inaccurate and untruthful argument about 7 World Trade. It is a disgrace to the word "Truth" for Gage to display and support something he considers to be false.

And this remains true as long as his linked remarks stand.

 

[Terral]

Twoofer-Bashing Is The Result Of You Having No "Building Fires Did It" Case . . .

Hi Twinstead:

Terral you should be all over Gage on this issue if you are indeed looking for the 'truth'.

We already ‘know’ the 911Truth that the WTC skyscrapers were taken down by Controlled Demolition (my LC Thread). Richard is receiving advice about making ‘his’ CD case that much stronger by possibly omitting the ‘squib’ evidence.

He makes your movement look like idiots.

JREF ‘debunkers’ (heh) call ‘this’ a crashed 100-Ton Jetliner. You say a real 100-Ton Jetliner went through this 18-feet 3-inch second story hole (a close-up shot). Your leaders like “Gravy” are professing “De Facto Atheists” (shown here) finding many of you standing with him. These readers can decide for themselves which side of the 911Truth debate has the most blooming idiots. :0)

And not in the "he must be disinfo" way that most truthers resort to, but actively demanding he clean up his act. You should be just as hard as people within your own movement whom you feel misrepresent facts as you are everybody else.

For the last time: There is PLENTY of ‘Squib’ evidence in all the video footage of these WTC skyscrapers collapsing CD-style into their own footprints. Do Richard Gage, the AE911Truth architects and engineers or the scholars at Scholars For Truth want to withdraw their Controlled Demolition Explanations (like 911Research) from the public record? NO! So stop being foolish . . . Real CD squibs ‘can’ look like puffs of smoke, clouds of hot air escaping from between collapsing floors or any number of things. Chris is suggesting that Richard remove the ‘squib’ EVIDENCE from ‘future’ CD Presentations, so the so-called ‘debunkers’ (heh) have less to whine about. If you guys had a real “Building Fires Did It” Case, or a real “Building Debris Did It” Case, or a “19 Bearded Jihadist Radicals Did It” Case, then you would have no reason to attack real 911Truthers with your constant flow of stupidity. Can anyone here point me into the direction of a “Building Fires Did It” Thread anywhere on this Conspiracies Forum? No! The reason is because you have NO CASE from ‘the evidence’ to support that kind of nonsense . . . Thus “Twoofer-bashing” is all you got . . .

GL,

Terral

 

[Good Lt]

We already ‘know’ the 911Truth that the WTC skyscrapers were taken down by Controlled Demolition (my LC Thread). Richard is receiving advice about making ‘his’ CD case that much stronger by possibly omitting the ‘squib’ evidence.

There is no case to make stronger. There was no controlled demolition. Period. You have not provided, nor can you, any evidence for this whatsoever. Stop repeating debunked claims knowing full well that they're false. That's called lying.

JREF ‘debunkers’ (heh) call ‘this’ a crashed 100-Ton Jetliner. You say a real 100-Ton Jetliner went through this 18-feet 3-inch second story hole (a close-up shot). Your leaders like “Gravy” are professing “De Facto Atheists” (shown here) finding many of you standing with him. These readers can decide for themselves which side of the 911Truth debate has the most blooming idiots. :0)

Oh, believe me. We know which side the blooming idiots reside on. It's the side with the no-planers. It's the side with the space-beams idiocy. It's the side with the Mossad/JOOOOOISH cabal theories. It's the side claiming there were "explosives" in the WTC.

Again, your citations here prove nothing, do nothing to support any of your wild claims about controlled demolitions or any other buffoonery your cult comes up with.

For the last time: There is PLENTY of ‘Squib’ evidence in all the video footage of these WTC skyscrapers collapsing CD-style into their own footprints.

No, there isn't.

They're not "squibs." They're jets of ejecta and debris from the collapsing building.

DEAL WITH IT.

Do Richard Gage, the AE911Truth architects and engineers or the scholars at Scholars For Truth want to withdraw their Controlled Demolition Explanations (like 911Research) from the public record? NO! So stop being foolish . . .

LOL

Foolish? We're not the ones claiming that mysterious secret teams of government agents wired up the WTC for demolition.

Apparently, AEFRAUDS for 9-11 Troof don't like making corrections to their asinine claims as well. No loss here. They're the ones with no careers trying to make a living off of the 9-11 Troof cult. It's not our job here to talk people out of ruining their lives or reputations.

Real CD squibs ‘can’ look like puffs of smoke, clouds of hot air escaping from between collapsing floors or any number of things.

A foul ball can look like a fair ball from the other side of the stadium, but that doesn't make the ball fair. Your argument boils down to this:

Bedivere: "How do you know she is a witch?"

Townsman: "SHE LOOKS LIKE ONE!!!"

Chris is suggesting that Richard remove the ‘squib’ EVIDENCE from ‘future’ CD Presentations, so the so-called ‘debunkers’ (heh) have less to whine about.

So much for the factual accuracy of your claims, then, huh? I mean, those interested in the accuracy of the claims and factual veracity and evidence are just "whiners."

Thanks for revealing, again, what the Troof cult is all about, because it ain't facts.

If you guys had a real “Building Fires Did It” Case, or a real “Building Debris Did It” Case, or a “19 Bearded Jihadist Radicals Did It” Case, then you would have no reason to attack real 911Truthers with your constant flow of stupidity.

Can anyone here point me into the direction of a “Building Fires Did It” Thread anywhere on this Conspiracies Forum? No! The reason is because you have NO CASE from ‘the evidence’ to support that kind of nonsense . . . Thus “Twoofer-bashing” is all you got . .

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Can you look for the thread yourself? Have you ever searched for anything on the Internet before?

Sorry to flummox you, but 'Troofer-bashing' what we do to fools who make outlandish claims with no evidence to support them. Repeatedly. Every day. Over and over. In defiance of evidence, fact and logic.

You left us no choice. You've demonstrated again why you truly earn your derision. Congratulations.