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FLT 77 Flight Recorder Data - Pilots for Truth

Reheat said:
Even tho' it disgusts me to have to read the unadulterated crap on the p4t site, I have watched as the "experts" tried to unravel the FDR Data. Tell your friend Robbie to have a recognized FDR expert analyze the FDR data and agree with his numbers and premise and then I'll discuss it in a serious manner.
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To me this is the crux of the matter if Rob Balsamo is really interested in the truth why doesn't he do that. Someone who really uderstands the limitations and inherent errors in the analysis of FDR.

This is common across the "truth" movement.
 
beachnut said:
It appears there are 4 or more seconds missing from 77 FDR
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I stopped reading here. Beachnut, you're moving goal posts again. Was the plane 2800 feet away from the wall or not?

Wait, lets see what you said...

Beachnut wrote:
the plane is only maximum of 393 feet at 2800 feet from the Pentagon
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Did you say that Beachnut? Or did you delete it to "Save Space".


Does anynoe really take this guy seriously anymore?
 
Stop this bickering you two. Remove any further personal remarks from your posts or you will find further mod action will follow. If you have details to debate then discuss them without getting personal or sarcastic. Keep to the points at hand.
Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: chillzero
 
Ed Santana, FDR Expert from L3 Communications, the manufacturer of the FDR, is on a recordered interview on PfT front page. You didnt see it eeyore?


I suppose you people can ask for experts all day long while saying out of the other side of your cheek "That place disgusts me, i'll never go there".

Thanks. It appears you justify why people have questions about 9/11 and some are biased no matter what.
 
tony soprano said:
Ed Santana, FDR Expert from L3 Communications, the manufacturer of the FDR, is on a recordered interview on PfT front page. You didnt see it eeyore?


I suppose you people can ask for experts all day long while saying out of the other side of your cheek "That place disgusts me, i'll never go there".

Thanks. It appears you justify why people have questions about 9/11 and some are biased no matter what.
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Why should we ignore all the physical evidence?
 
Is this thread about the physical evidence or the FDR?

Feel free to open a physical evidence thread. Unless your purpose is to shift the topic?
 
tony soprano said:
Is this thread about the physical evidence or the FDR?

Feel free to open a physical evidence thread. Unless your purpose is to shift the topic?
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The FDR was found at the Pentagon. It's part of the physical evidence. To focus on the FDR and ignore all other physical evidence would suggest we also ignore the FDR.
 
tony soprano said:
Ed Santana, FDR Expert from L3 Communications, the manufacturer of the FDR, is on a recordered interview on PfT front page. You didnt see it eeyore?


I suppose you people can ask for experts all day long while saying out of the other side of your cheek "That place disgusts me, i'll never go there".

Thanks. It appears you justify why people have questions about 9/11 and some are biased no matter what.
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I generally don't go the PFT website.

Assuming this man is the expert you claim.

I have not heard of the interview but has he analyzed the data or just answered a few questions in the interview. There is a big difference.
 
tony soprano said:
Perhaps click the link to the videos? Others will, and others do.

edit to add: ok, i'll help you a bit here Gum.

Watch this video first. Its based on working backwards from the "impact hole" with NTSB pitch/bank data.
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index.php?showtopic=8166

That pitch is about 4500 fpm descent.

Beachnut, even if we go with his 5880 fpm descent rate, has increased the pitch beyond what the NTSB provided. Hope this helps.
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I got half way through and it still hadn't got to the point. I don't have spare time to sit around watching meaningless videos.

I was merely curious but if you're unwilling to explain it simply never mind.
 
I am not interested in the flight data very much because the amount of evidence that the plane hit pentagon is overwhelming.
It takes a lot of something (I don't know what) to believe someone would have planned to fly over the pentagon , to plant broken light poles , plant evidence at the pentagon , tamper with the evidence in the DNA identification , etc , etc,

What about the eyewitnesses , what about the first responders who saw firsthand what was there.
 
MSNBC quoted an Arlington Spokesperson. Undertow quoted a picture from the new Pentagon Book released by the DoD. I notice you didnt reference the ASCE report?

Feel free to check all sources if you wish, or make excuses. Whichever.

Edit: My bad, i got it a bit mixed up, MSNBC quoted "Pentagon Officials" and PBS quoted the Arlington Spokesperson.

"Pentagon officials said the recorders, also called "black boxes" were found around 3:40 a.m. under mounds of wreckage in the collapsed part of the building.." (MSNBC Sept 28). "Dick Bridges, a spokesman for Arlington County, Va...said the recorders were found 'right where the plane came into the building.'" (PBS - Sept 14). "
 
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DGM said:
So the USG releases a bad fake figuring no one would notice? What about all the rest of the evidence, is that planted also? Be careful you are accusing an awful lot of people of covering up a mass murder.
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It seems the PfT have recorded the NTSB and FBI numerous times looking for just those answers. They dont speculate. Do you really mean "careful" or "fearful"....?

It appears PfT has no fear and want answers. Why dont you?
 
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tony soprano said:
ok, lets get critical...
2800/781 f/s = 3.58 What calculator are you using? What speed are you using?
393/3.58 = 109 f/s dive
109 f/s dive = 6586 fpm descent rate at less than 400 feet above the ground, at less than 4 seconds from the pentagon wall.
Beachnut. Are you telling all these pilots who are lurking that a 757 can pull out of a 6500fpm dive, less than 400 feet above the ground, in less than 4 seconds? Is that what you are telling us? Because once again, you increased the rate the NTSB provided. They show a 4500 fpm descent rate. 4500 fpm is too high. But hey, feel free to keep arguing it. You help PfT.
edit to add: keep in mind, the above are Beachnuts numbers (where he got them from, who knows, but he did delete his originals, i guess we can see why), which are very wrong when one watches the video here based on actual NTSB numbers:
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index.php?showtopic=10751
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77 was descending in the last 20 seconds as high as 6600 feet per minute. 110 feet per second.
 
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