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FLT 77 Flight Recorder Data - Pilots for Truth
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His right, taken into consideration that if he was standing at the Citgo looking at the Pentagon it would be on the gas station's left.
You need to come up with something much better than this.
To ask them if they saw the plane hitting light poles would prove a South side approach. You wouldn't need to use the Citgo as a reference point.
All of CIT's witnesses did not see the plane hit any poles and that includes McGraw & Sucherman.
You have been caught lying. The Penta-conmen failed to ask this obvious follow-up question. It was no accident: they understand perfectly well that even their confused, cherry-picked witnesses will not abandon their belief that they saw a plane hit the Pentagon.
You will ignore my second and third questions because you have no other choice: they are devastating to the transparent fraud being perpetrated by the bogus "pilots."
I will watch any interviews you care to send me. I will not pay a dime to agenda-driven liars promoting an evil cause.
Anti-sophist
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Isn't constantly pasting banned members words bannable? Haven't you been warned about this before? Are you copy/pasting this tripe or is Rob just using your account?
Please stop copy/pasting Rob's tired words onto this forum as if meant as a reply in a thread. I've seen this tripe no less than 10 times. It's not any more true than it was the first time you or him pasted it. It's certainly not on topic... and it's most certainly been dealt with several times in the past. Re-pasting the same tired nonsense gets us nowhere.
Search for "beachnut":
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread335956/pg1&colorshift=yes
http://www.911blogger.com/node/14354
That hasn't and won't change. You can't jam this square peg you've invented into the round hole. Sorry.
Please stop copy/pasting Rob's tired words onto this forum as if meant as a reply in a thread. I've seen this tripe no less than 10 times. It's not any more true than it was the first time you or him pasted it. It's certainly not on topic... and it's most certainly been dealt with several times in the past. Re-pasting the same tired nonsense gets us nowhere.
Search for "beachnut":
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread335956/pg1&colorshift=yes
http://www.911blogger.com/node/14354
This is what it's like arguing with you kids. You make a new claim. We prove it wrong. You copy/paste the same tired old nonsense we've debunked 100 times. Yes, the FDR has. It has been for over a year now. You've come up with nothing new. In between ad-hominem, new DVDs, press releases, and death threats you, once in a while, come up with some "analysis". _ALL_ of your analysis is flawed for exactly two reasons: 1) Your timeslip errors 2) your poor math skills.
That hasn't and won't change. You can't jam this square peg you've invented into the round hole. Sorry.
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You are well aware that all the interviews are freely available online.
http://www.thepentacon.com/videoshorts.htm
http://www.thepentacon.com/googlesmokinggun.htm
When you frauds get around to asking your cherry-picked witnesses to abandon at least one of their mutually-exclusive claims, I will display some interest.
Error by you and p4t? The NTSB only has one second of data after 1.5 DME in the :43 data frame. And 1.5 is a value between 1.3 and 1.7 DME due to resolution the data is stored at. I doubt jdx, your physics math mentor can do much to help you on this. p4t decoded zero data after the 1.5 DME data frame.
You have no idea the true impact time based on the FDR or Radar data. The last radar point of 77 was at 13:37:12. OOPS …………LOLFAAD
Please inform the masses how the NTSB came up with an impact time? Looks like RADAR data is not possible to have an impact of :45, since the impact would be at 19.5 seconds. Darn, what time did 77 impact!
I can tell everyone there is no way to tell from the FDR! Sorry, your cherry picked jdx time from a letter the NTSB posted about a working copy is a bogus time? Or is it? But go ahead tell us the real impact time and how it was produced. Hurry, because the NTSB told you and p4t that their animation was a working copy. But yes, I have seen the impact time from the NTSB, but it does not line up with RADAR data. But then you guys have no clue about time or 9/11.
Your jdx behind the screen junk is showing. Your math and physics post need correction please. Your posts are filled with errors; why?
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I would erase this to save space, but jdx will save it as a smoking gun I can do better math than he. I have left out some details which can be filled in if someone wants to waste time with a map and DME offsets against the final heading of 77. BTW, the flight paths p4t have published in the past to show a north approach are impossible to do without witnesses seeing excessive banks and high G maneuvers, not witnessed on 9/11.
A disclaimer first! There is no doubt 77 hit the pentagon, knocked down light posts and 77 came to rest with all souls on board at the Pentagon. The p4t, this guy, and jdx have not debunked a single piece of the thousands of pieces of evidence proving 77 hit the Pentagon. They have failed to produce anything but paranoid anti government rant with zero evidence. They take the FDR and try to make implication of false conclusions so they can sell DVDs for 15 bucks. So, if you like CT thinking, buy DVD that have lots of implications of false conclusions; you will be rewarded with such.
I will discuss the FDR again, but remember 77 did hit the Pentagon, and not a thing in the FDR shows it did not! !!!
The terrorist pilot demonstrated to witnesses his steep descent gradients. The FDR has rates higher than 6060 feet per minute.
If the FDR altitude is correct. (BTW, at take off the Radar Altimeter is off 40 feet from the PA altitude; and at the area 4 or 5 seconds away from the Pentagon the RADAR altimeter is off 100 feet from the PA, pressure altitude corrected for pressure) All you have to do is back up in time to make the impact in the zone for the terrorist pilot to make. In fact you can hit all the poles and impact the Pentagon easy.
I have said 77 was 4 to 6 seconds or more away from the Pentagon when the data stops. The trouble is the p4t have data that stopped at :43 past the minute, the NTSB has data that stops :44 past the minute but time stamps to :46. What time do I use?
The quibbling jdx/p4t and you are unable to specify any initial conditions and just rant about beachnut erasing his never ending spew of junk which repeats stuff you can fine if you search for it right here at JREF (oh I fooled you by erasing what; please present what I erased and why I care if you have it; you do not understand much about 9/11, how can you understand what I erased?). Sorry if I decide to erase my posts when I can edit them and not overload with more words the point I wanted to make. Don't worry jdx and his sock puppet Warned me he had recorded all my posts and he would use them against me; and as you post he has and he does not even understand discussion, math, or physics; so how can he understand my posts in the fires place; he is not able to do math and physics, and understanding an engineer (me) who does not command the English language as well as esl people, what do you expect. You and jdx fail to understand math and physics, I do, you will not understand my simple FDR discussion, it is beyond your abilities as demonstrated with your post.
At 1.5 DME based on heading and an exact 1.5 NM from DCA and if you use the RAD ALT, giving you 400 MSL, and an impact of 40 MSL, you have to loose 360 feet in 3.57 seonds and you only have to do 100.67 feet per second to impact the Pentagon. The last stick input by the terrorist pilot would guarantee descent in excess of 101 feet per second, it was the biggest stick input for going down inputted by the terrorist as the data stops. Earlier his biggest input resulted in excess of 6060 feet per minute descent rate; this input was bigger.
If you take/understand the fact the DME could have been 1.65 DME and stored as 1.5 DME at the time the RAD ALT said 273 feet, you add the local feet o 129 and have 402, you only need about 70 feet per second to impact the Pentagon.
If you use the messed up physics of p4t tower problem proposal, the descent rate is only 80 feet per second. Rates the terrorist beat by over 20 percent. At that point they have a 406 MSL reading on the plane at odds with a PA MSL reading of 504~! What are p4t going to do with out me to erase the numbers they want to ignore; or it brings up the fact they have no idea in time where each data point is, in each stored second! Sad to think they try to use the FDR as some smoking gun but do not know how to use the FDR data, or do they understand anything about the FDR system.
The more I look at the data, and how it stops. It looks like the final input of the terrorist put the plane at below zero G, and that could turn off the electrical power to the plane; it does in my plane built by Boeing I flew for over 20 years. That could account for the FDR stopping well before the impact at the Pentagon.
Please expain what the possible error is in 1.5 DME stored in the FDR? Remember, of the values the FDR could store the only possible values are 1.2, 1.5 or 1.8. BTW, your p4t used 1.7 instead of 1.8 on the decode of the FDR. In fact the RAD ALT decode is kind of off too. But then you guys do not really care as long as you can just quote anything you can make up implications of false conclusions from.
But since the 1.5 DME is only as accurate as 1.79 DME to 1.31 DME, depending on how it is stored; where is 77? Is it 2800 feet away when the last data stops? Why is the calculated altitude 100 feet off of the RAD ALT if you use the ground level? In time when is the DME stored VS, the altimeter data and other data? You have no clue. We can discuss the FDR, but it does not make some plane fly over, the plane was seen impacting the Pentagon, and then the plane was found by witnesses which you use to make up a north flight path which is proven wrong by the FDR. Funny stuff you come up with is debunked by the same stuff you fail to show makes the fact 77 hit the Pentagon not true. You fail in math, physics, and logical thinking, and you do it so effortlessly.
As stated at the beginning, there is not evidence to show Flight 77 did not impact the Pentagon. The FDR discussion is just discussion and learning about the values stored in a device that does debunk every implied conclusion made by p4t.
So why is there data missing from the FDR? What were the known/unknown problems with transport delay in this model FDR that lead to new standards in the future models. The FDR is interesting. If found it interesting that the data rate to the secure chip was slow. The data accumulated in one second took one second to store! How did the data get collected and stored, and compressed in time multiplexed fashions and not impose delays that could back up the data in this old FDR? Since Flight 77 was manufactured and first flew in 1991, many improvements were made that were not changed on Flight 77's FDR. Please explain to me how data is stored and why data is can be missing from a FDR?
Yes, please anyone who is interested there are many examples of data missing from FDR, and you can follow the standard changes to see how they are correcting the missing data problems of the past.
Does anyone want to guess why I erased some posts when jdx was back as a sock puppet? I read it! lol
What a waste, when 77 hit the Pentagon.
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Maybe I missed it but they have not yet explained the 757 wrekage found at the Pentagon.
jaydeehess
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No they have not but that is not a topic that would corresspond to the title of this thread. Don't let TC's ranting derail you too.
If he wants to discuss these other issues then he can ressurect Lyte's threads in which those topics are covered.
chances are though that he will be too lazy to look them up.
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It was pushed out the back of the C-130 that flew over to distract from 77 flying over the Pentagon, Duh!
with a fdr, with 25 hours of exact data from previous Flight 77 flights...
with an exact amount of jet fuel as on board 77, to make a fireball just like an aircraft impact at 470 KIAS!...
This is comedy, it belongs in the comedy section. Jdx said he as all my incriminating posts; oh noes.
People may appreciate me "saving a lot more space"!
You and jdx have no facts so you talk about me. What does that prove about the FDR?
You guys find my deleted posts to save space, more interesting than your failed ideas on 9/11. (save space could mean, after reading the post, there was no point to made with majority of the post; like this).
FDR stuff is an academic discussion at best, since 77 really did hit the Pentagon. The FDR only debunks your ideas; you are left struggling with math and physics as you ponder the errors you posted here to be seen for years to come. You should have saved space and checked your computations first. Lol
But you sure include a lot of filler with your FDR stuff.
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