FLT 77 Flight Recorder Data - Pilots for Truth

[tony soprano]

Except when AA77 was 300 miles from the Pentagon it was about 39 minutes away, and when it was 30 minutes away it was only 227 miles from the Pentagon. In other words it was never both 300 miles and 30 minutes from the Pentagon.

If you read the linked post gum, you'll see it agrees with what you been saying. Are you also "disgusted" to click links to PfT? Even when it agrees with your analysis? Or do you just like to argue.

 

[beachnut]

Thanks for your insightful post apathoid.

It appears DME found in the CSV file provided by the NTSB places the airplane in a rather specific location, even given the .1 NM error. Ask Beachnut, he'll tell ya. It appears he did on page 1. Or do you feel he is wrong?

Now, back to the snake oil salesman part. Have you tried to speak with PfT and tell them that face to face? I understand "Robbie" has recordings with Ron Weick and Ron doesnt feel that way at all. Matter of fact, Ron says it was rather pleasant phone calls. Of course, im just going by my lurking here and what Ron has posted. I can dig them out as well if you like, but im sure Ron wont disagree, because he did post it.

I'd like to see those who accuse PfT of being "snake oil salesman", from behind their screen to actually stand up to PfT, or at the very least, create a website and put their face and name on their ad hom attacks. Might be asking too much, my apologies.

Too bad rob can't keep from threatening people.

"snake oil rob" says the plane seen to hit the poles and the Pentagon was too high to do it. Now that is pure "snake oil".
Funny, he even thinks the INS was messed up by the normal turn (sloppy but well with in parameters for normal flight!) and the final 10 to 20 second over speed of 77; wait, 77 was in a decent; what is the real top speed for a decent for 77? (never to present facts! p4t)

 

[tony soprano]

But he has said 77 did not hit the Pentagon,

Source? Link?

Are you rob?

But of course. We're all "Rob" who expose you. Right?

I see you are trying hard to shift this post off topic Beachnut. I dont blame you actually. Anytime you want to tell us if you know what TSO-124 and ED-55 is, please, im sure many are waiting.

Edit to add:

sloppy but well with in parameters for normal flight

It appears apathoid disagrees with you. Did you read his post(s)?

 

[beachnut]

Anyone want to report Beachnut for attacking the person instead of the argument?

Rob, the guy
who threatens to kill people? Good idea report me for telling on rob. Good idea.

By the way Beachnut, it appears they have many who are current. And from what "Robbie" says, a major update on the way.

The only major update on rob is he ignores evidence as you do questions. You failed to answer one simple question posted to your hearsay parroting of rob.

Still waiting to see if you know what ED-55 and TSO-124 is, but please, keep ignoring it.

Thanks for your input Beachnut. It is always useful.

The standards for FDRs change all the time! Please state the exact date of the standards you do not understand, and when the airlines had to comply with the standard?

 

[tony soprano]

Rob, the guy who wants to kill people?

Beachnut, keep reaching. It really shows you want to bring this thread off topic and attack character. Why do Ron and Pat exchange phone numbers and address with Rob if "Rob wants to kill people"? Nice try though...

TSO-124 and ED-55. Do you know what it is? Yes or no? 4th time asked.

 

[BenBurch]

The stupid! It BURNS.

 

[tony soprano]

The stupid! It BURNS.

agreed. How many times can one ask of FDR regs when a self proclaimed "FDR Expert" avoids?

 

[beachnut]

Source? Link?

But of course. We're all "Rob" who expose you. Right?

I see you are trying hard to shift this post off topic Beachnut. I dont blame you actually. Anytime you want to tell us if you know what TSO-124 and ED-55 is, please, im sure many are waiting.
Edit to add:
It appears apathoid disagrees with you. Did you read his post(s)?

I agree with apathoid he is right!

See, you failed to listen to the rob of p4t. In his interviews, he stated both positions! He stated 77 did not hit the Pentagon, and that he can not say 77 did not hit the Pentagon.

Gee, why are all the flights that 77 did for 24 hours before 9/11 on the FDR? That proof is in the hands of p4t expert researchers and they fail to tell the world it all checks out! Why are they failing to tell the world the FDR holds 24 hours of data that match where 77 was?

 

[beachnut]

Beachnut, keep reaching. It really shows you want to bring this thread off topic and attack character. Why do Ron and Pat exchange phone numbers and address with Rob if "Rob wants to kill people"? Nice try though...

TSO-124 and ED-55. Do you know what it is? Yes or no? 4th time asked.

If only you understand the standards old rob tells you to post! When were they in effect and how do the airliners comply? You tell me when and why the FDRs were not covered by the standards published after the FDRs were installed in 77? Can you offer some knowledge or are you just posting HEARSAY?

 

[tony soprano]

blah blah blah

TSO-124 or ED-55. Can you tell us what they are? 5th time asked.

(hint: Ed Santana tells everyone what it is on the front page of PfT)

I will keep asking, im sure you'll keep avoiding.

If you do try to BS your way through the regs, we'll move onto your tour of duty and desk assignment as i dont expect to convince anyone here who already drops their critical thinking hats at the door as long as it supports the govt story.

Love the 393 feet though. Keep up the great work! That post is saved.

 

[beachnut]

Beachnut, keep reaching. It really shows you want to bring this thread off topic and attack character. Why do Ron and Pat exchange phone numbers and address with Rob if "Rob wants to kill people"? Nice try though...

TSO-124 and ED-55. Do you know what it is? Yes or no? 4th time asked.

Rob has threatened people, he should not. Fact

Once again you post standards you know not of. Good job

 

[beachnut]

I'm really not in the business of making claims a la the "Truth" movement - but I guess my claim, if anything, is that there is not enough information from the FDR to do a forensic investigation of AA77s position relative to the light poles.

I simply suggested that you use all available data to attempt to place AA77, don't conviently leave out major parameters(like heading)...doing so will not lead you to the truth my friend.

Gee, he said you disagree with me! I agree with you.
Outstanding.

I agree with your post.

there is not enough information from the FDR to do a forensic investigation of AA77s position relative to the light poles.

Correct!

use all available data to attempt to place AA77, don't conviently leave out major parameters(like heading)...

This is very true.

Great post

 

[tony soprano]

Rob seems to be growing a rather credible group. Has spoken to Ron and Pat Curley, recorded.

Why do you keep attacking his character instead of sticking to topic?

ED-55... TSO-124. 6th time asked. Can you tell us what it is or no. If you refuse to provide a direct reply regarding the question asked numerous times, and effective date (thanks for bringing it up by the way), we will know you dont have a clue what they are (although, i think many lurkers here already know).

Beachnut, whether you know it or not, you help PfT more than trying to disuade "fence sitters". Your posts are mostly incoherent, your arguments shift constantly and you are filled with nothnig but venom for those who question the govt story.

ED-55 and TSO-124. Effective Dates and content. Can you do it or no?

 

[tony soprano]

apathoid said
Quote:
there is not enough information from the FDR to do a forensic investigation of AA77s position relative to the light poles.

Beachnut said
Correct!

...the plane is only maximum of 393 feet at 2800 feet from the Pentagon.

Beachnut, make up your mind already...

 

[beachnut]

TSO-124 or ED-55. Can you tell us what they are? 5th time asked.
(hint: Ed Santana tells everyone what it is on the front page of PfT)
I will keep asking, im sure you'll keep avoiding.
If you do try to BS your way through the regs, we'll move onto your tour of duty and desk assignment as i dont expect to convince anyone here who already drops their critical thinking hats at the door as long as it supports the govt story.

Love the 393 feet though. Keep up the great work! That post is saved.

393MSL is the high side; since you can not tell me in time where in the frame and relative to the second of time it exist then you failed to present info.

The FDR is not for showing you where the plane was, it is for storing data to recreate the flight to give insight for mishaps; we know were 77 was on 9/11! You don't.

I know what the standards are, now you tell us all when they were in effect and when the FDR on 77 had to comply.

And then tell me why missing data in FDRs happens; do you need examples of missing data? Then please look it up! Can you do any work for yourself before I get tired of your posts of p4t hearsay bs that does not explain, but tries to mislead.

Dates? Compliance requirements please? (btw, I keep answering your standards junk and you clearly do not understand them)

You continue to fail to answer! I have told you they are standards many times. Dates? Compliance requirements please?

 

[beachnut]

Beachnut, make up your mind already...

Hi rob

 

[gumboot]

If you read the linked post gum, you'll see it agrees with what you been saying. Are you also "disgusted" to click links to PfT? Even when it agrees with your analysis? Or do you just like to argue.

No I followed the link. I don't tend to feel disgust from the act of entering a web address into my internet browser. The post you linked to (or at least the post that came up on my screen when I followed your link) claimed that AA77 was 370 miles from the Pentagon at 0900. I must confess I interpreted your post "the claim is addressed here" as "the claim is explained here" rather than "the claim is refuted here". I see that below the post you linked to is another post by a Rob Balsamo who points out the distance error.

 

[tony soprano]

Very good Gum.

Beachnut, whenever you want to address ED-55 and TSO-124 as asked for the 7th time, im sure the lurkers would like to know. Or not, doesnt really matter i guess as many "get your number" rather quickly from what i've seen.

BTW, exactly how many "Robs" are on this board? I seen you guys accuse at least, what, 20?


Whatever. Have a great day all. I'll be back to play more with Beachnut in the future. Hopefully by that time he can tell us more about TSO-124 and ED-55, and why he was assigned a desk.

 

[beachnut]

Rob seems to be growing a rather credible group. Has spoken to Ron and Pat Curley, recorded.

Comedy forum is not here.

Why do you keep attacking his character instead of sticking to topic?

He has no character and betrays the memory of pilots who dies on 9/11 by making up false implications and lies. He threatens people and makes up stuff. Character?

ED-55... TSO-124. ....

Standards; Why not tell us the dates and the compliance requirements? YOU FAILED TO!

Beachnut, whether you know it or not, you help PfT more than trying to disuade "fence sitters". Your posts are mostly incoherent, your arguments shift constantly and you are filled with nothnig but venom for those who question the govt story.

Fence sitters please go join p4r, you will raise the IQ! P4t make up stuff, ignore evidence and rob just wants to sell DVDs of false implications. Join p4t, the leader does not understand many aspects of flying, he needs your help!

ED-55 and TSO-124. Effective Dates and content. Can you do it or no?

Sorry, that is your job. You make extraordinary claims you need to explain them; and you can't.

 

[tony soprano]

Thank you Beachnut. You proved a very important point with your last post.

For the regulars here, i'd think twice about backing this man.

The best of all..

Beachnut wrote:
393MSL is the high side; since you can not tell me in time where in the frame and relative to the second of time it exist then you failed to present info.

Beachnut wrote:
the plane is only maximum of 393 feet at 2800 feet from the Pentagon

Beachnut, you just told us the time frame. If you're confused, perhaps someone here can help you with speed = distance/time. If you dont know where to find the speed, the NTSB provided it in their CSV files.

TSO-124 and ED-55. Its on the PfT front page interview with Ed Santana. Why do you keep avoiding it asking me to answer? Stale tactic. You cant answer. We get it.

Have fun!