[Moderated]Did Chief Nigro call Silverstein? The answer is finally available

[boloboffin]

THe question has grown more ridiculous. What transgression? I don't know, but the idea that he would get a call from the fire commander and then make the decision to either "pull" the crew who had left hours earlier, or "pull" the building is ridiculous.

YOU stated that Silverstein was covering his . Why? That's what I've been asking. Why did Silverstein feel the need to cover his , RedIbis? What had he done to feel the need to cover his ?

The ridiculousness of this exchange stems from the idiocy of your underlying assumption, which you as of yet have declined to share with us. Defend your statement.

 

[RedIbis]

That was a very silly lie. You must have known that you would be caught.

Where did I say that Silverstein made the decision with him? Don't twist my words and then call me a liar.

 

[RedIbis]

YOU stated that Silverstein was covering his . Why? That's what I've been asking. Why did Silverstein feel the need to cover his , RedIbis? What had he done to feel the need to cover his ?

The ridiculousness of this exchange stems from the idiocy of your underlying assumption, which you as of yet have declined to share with us. Defend your statement.

Maybe he knew the real reason the building collapsed and decided to tell a story that would appeal to pathos.

Uh, and how can my "underlying assumption" be idiotic if I haven't shared it with you yet?

You're letting your emotions get the best of you.

 

[Par]

Where did I say that Silverstein made the decision with him? Don't twist my words and then call me a liar.

I didn’t say that you did say that Silverstein made the decision with him. I said that you said that Silverstein himself made the decision. That is because you said that Silverstein himself made the decision. It’s there in black and white, plain for everyone to see.

 

[DGM]

Maybe he knew the real reason the building collapsed and decided to tell a story that would appeal to pathos.

Uh, and how can my "underlying assumption" be idiotic if I haven't shared it with you yet?

You're letting your emotions get the best of you.

No. I deal with developers all the time (I'm a builder). I have never met one that would ever give the impression of not having complete control. This mentality is probably how they end up with all the money. Silverstein is no different (only larger then most). When asked who was in control he would naturally answer 'me'. He would not even think that anyone would dissect his statements later.

 

[boloboffin]

Maybe he knew the real reason the building collapsed and decided to tell a story that would appeal to pathos.

Uh, and how can my "underlying assumption" be idiotic if I haven't shared it with you yet?

You're letting your emotions get the best of you.

One last time, because you're beginning to bore me.

Using your words: What is the "real reason the building collapsed," RedIbis? Why would Silverstein know anything about it?

 

[RedIbis]

I didn’t say that you did say that Silverstein made the decision with him. I said that you said that Silverstein himself made the decision. That is because you said that Silverstein himself made the decision. It’s there in black and white, plain for everyone to see. You lied.

This is tedious and the final point I'll make about this. First of all, I called the entire premise ridiculous and obviously that's not what I think happened.

I could have been clearer with my pronoun reference, or lack thereof, so allow me to restate, so that you can actually address my point instead of focusing on semantics:

I always found Silverstein's story specious. Silverstein suggests that the call was a consultation (again ridiculous) when he says, "I said, 'We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it.'

See. Silverstein is telling the unnamed commander what the smartest thing to do is. Funny, I'd defer to the commander to tell me what the smartest thing to do in a building fire is. Either way you look at it, Silverstein is lying through his dentures.

 

[Par]

So you mean Silverstein could be lying? Gee, that was one theory all along. The guy was covering his a**.

You still haven’t answered this question: Has Silverstein ever claimed that he spoke specifically to Nigro, rather than merely a representative of the Fire Department?

 

[Anti-sophist]

Since I don't have a hotline to what the "truth movement" believes, I'm in no position to say what the monolith thinks.

I have never, ever thought that Silverstein was giving an order to demo. I've always thought he was lying when he told that whopper of a story.

You asked "Who thought they did?". The answer: The Truth Movement.

Lucky for you, I do have a hotline to the monolith.

I do so find it interesting the way truthers find ways to morph being so wrong into "aha, told ya so!".

 

[Unsecured Coins]

I always found Silverstein's story specious. Silverstein suggests that the call was a consultation (again ridiculous) when he says, "I said, 'We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it.

way to trivialize the 2,968 people who died before 7 came down.

 

[RedIbis]

way to trivialize the 2,968 people who died before 7 came down.

When in doubt, just bring out the ol' righteous indignation. Foucs on the details.

 

[RedIbis]

You still haven’t answered this question: Has Silverstein ever claimed that he spoke specifically to Nigro, rather than merely a representative of the Fire Department?

Maybe because it's ridiculous. No, I never said that he did, but you're options are getting slimmer, and my use of the word "theory" suggests that it is one possibility out of several.

Has anyone asked Silverstein who he was talking about?

 

[Par]

...the idea that he would get a call from the fire commander and then make the decision to either "pull" the crew who had left hours earlier, or "pull" the building is ridiculous.

I could have been clearer with my pronoun reference, or lack thereof... [you are] focusing on semantics

I see. By “he”, you really meant “they”. I apologise for merely “focusing on semantics”.

 

[DGM]

Red:
How often do you deal with people like Silverstein? Do you believe that you understand their way of thinking?

 

[Par]

Has Silverstein ever claimed that he spoke specifically to Nigro, rather than merely a representative of the Fire Department?

No...

Good. So, we can see that the fact that he didn’t speak to Nigro in no way suggests that he is lying.

 

[RedIbis]

Red:
How often do you deal with people like Silverstein? Do you believe that you understand their way of thinking?

For future reference, please don't expect a response to leading, non sensical questions, based mostly on speculation.

I have a specific question for you, has Silverstein ever stated which "er" fire commander to whom he is referring?

 

[Unsecured Coins]

When in doubt, just bring out the ol' righteous indignation. Foucs on the details.

imo, it seems to me like 2,968 people just isn't great enough, is it?

 

[Par]

Silverstein is telling the unnamed commander what the smartest thing to do is. Funny, I'd defer to the commander to tell me what the smartest thing to do in a building fire is. Either way you look at it, Silverstein is lying through his dentures.

In what way was Silverstein telling the Fire Department what the best plan would be (even if that was what he was doing) an example of him lying?

 

[Minadin]

Just for review, here is his actual quote again:

"I remember getting a call from the fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, 'We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it.' And they made that decision to pull and then we watched the building collapse."


At no time does he say that the person he spoke to was Chief Nigro.

 

[~enigma~]

The answer is: No.

I asked Chief Nigro about this, and he was kind to respond very quickly. What he said was basically this:



He also once reminded again, that as we all know, he would not have needed the approval of Silverstein to make the evacuation order. So, whoever Silverstein is talking about getting the call from, it is NOT Chief Nigro.

An interesting twist to the story. Wonder what the truthers are going to make of this

Does this mean that Aquaman will change the cards from his old presentation and offer an apology to Silverstein for saying he made the decision. Will Alex "fat boy" Jones pull the webpage accusing Silverstein and apologize?