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Chemtrails again

Tippit said:
Did anyone actually look at my photos, and honestly conclude that those were condensation trails?
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Sure looks like Dihydrogen Oxide to me. Perhaps you could tell me of another chemical that forms visible white clouds at high altitudes and stays aloft for long periods of time?

Perhaps a better question is in order. How would we know that we are being sprayed with chemicals if everyone is under the assumption that every jet-created pattern in the sky is really just a condensation trail? What are the scientifically demonstrable physical constraints as to what could possibly constitute a condensation trail, and what couldn't?
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Contrails form at about 25,000 feet.

It is impossible for a gaseous substance to be sprayed at 25,000 feet and be dense enough to be effective at anything by the time it reaches the ground.

It is impossible for a gaseous substance to be sprayed at 25,000 feet and be able to predict when and where it is going to land or what effect it's going to have.

In other words, even if they WERE chemical sprays, who cares?



Now I have a question for you:

How do you know there aren't secret NWO chemicals in your toothpaste, your water, your medicine cabinet, your food, your clothes, your toilet paper, etc?

Or how about this: I claim that your toilet paper contains secret NWO mind-control chemicals designed to seep into your brain through your rectum. Now prove me wrong.
 
Dave Rogers said:
Just out of interest, Tippit, how do you know that the ones you say are contrails, aren't actually chemtrails, and vice versa? In other words, how can you tell you haven't got them the wrong way round?

Dave
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The contrail I saw a week later dissipated quickly and didn't create the massive haze visible in the photos I took, and lingered no more than 20-30 lengths of the plane creating them.

The abnormal frenzy of particulate-spewing planes in the sky, coupled with the drastically different properties of the trails they left behind lead me to conclude that one phenomenon was different from the other.
 
Tippit said:
Are you really claiming that it's impossible for airplanes to spray chemicals at high altitudes which may be confused with contrails?

My assumption that they aren't contrails is because I've seen contrails my entire life. I know what they look like, how long it takes for them to dissipate, and how much area is affected. I also know what is typical for air traffic where I live, and what is atypical.
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For them to have any effect? Absolutely!

Are you going to claim that different contrails at different altitudes, different air pressures, different wind velocities, and the 100s of other factors can't disperse differently?

And are you going to claim that despite these variations that all contrails disperse the exact same way regardless of the variables? Can you back this up with scientific data? Or are you just making assumptions?

Yes, you know what is typical. And the weather and environment never ever possibly changes. I imagine that would also mean it never rains, and there is never bad weather if even the moderate weather has no variables to it what so ever. I think you should present a scientific paper showing these things for us. To me it sounds impossible, but you have been studying this all your life, so I am interested.
 
Tippit said:
My assumption that they aren't contrails is because I've seen contrails my entire life. I know what they look like, how long it takes for them to dissipate, and how much area is affected. I also know what is typical for air traffic where I live, and what is atypical.
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Again: How do you know that what you've seen your entire life are not chemtrails, and that they've been going on that long? How do you know that what's typical for your area isn't chemtrails, and that when you see a plane leaving an unusual trail that's because it isn't spraying?

Dave
 
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Definitive proof of their existence at last!
 
Tippit said:
The contrail I saw a week later dissipated quickly and didn't create the massive haze visible in the photos I took, and lingered no more than 20-30 lengths of the plane creating them.

The abnormal frenzy of particulate-spewing planes in the sky, coupled with the drastically different properties of the trails they left behind lead me to conclude that one phenomenon was different from the other.
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You are wrong; it depends on the weather. Mother nature. I have flown big jets and small jets since 1974. The things you see are all contrails. You are not being rational, or asking anyone who knows. Are you making up ideas on your own? Why not the other way around, the short lasting ones are the spray evaporating like Vicks, to poison the world; the real contrails last just like clouds that hang over the city all day, or for 11 days straight. Fog for 11 days. OOPS water vapor can not last for days? WRONG, you need to talk to a wx person.
 
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Tippit said:
Did anyone actually look at my photos, and honestly conclude that those were condensation trails?
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You're not paying attention. I've seen them all the time.

I saw multiple planes in close proximity flying in criss-crossing patterns before I decided to photograph them, and again, the sky was clear blue before they arrived.
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The fact that you saw planes flying like that, if true, is irrelevant. Jets leave contrails when atmospheric conditions are conducive for their formation. Even the stealth fighter and stealth bomber leave contrails at those altitudes when.

Perhaps a better question is in order. How would we know that we are being sprayed with chemicals if everyone is under the assumption that every jet-created pattern in the sky is really just a condensation trail?
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There is a very simple way which I have been advising chemtrail believers to test for themselves for years.

1. Sign up for Flight Explorer Personal. http://www.flightexplorer.com/personal/personalEdition.aspx. It'll cost you $9.95 a month but one month should be sufficient. It shows you every commercial and private flight in the air over the U.S. and some other countries. It does not display military aircraft.

2. Wait to sign up during the summer months when contrails are more prolific.

3. On a day when you see persistent contrails form (what you claim are "chemtrails"), and you see the aircraft doing it from the ground, log in to Flight Explorer and zoom into the area in which you live.

4. If it is a passenger aircraft, you can identify the airline, origin and destination, flight altitude, speed, and aircraft type. If you see a jet pass over forming a contrail but do not see it on Flight Explorer, then you know it's a military aircraft.

5. Since 9/11, the FAA has mandated a delay in time in which aircraft are displayed. In other words, if you see an aircraft passing directly overhead of your location outside, expect to see it displayed on Flight Explorer 5 to 10 minutes later. This does not impede you at all from identifying the aircraft.

What you will note:

1. Atmospheric conditions will determine the type of contrail formed. You will generally see the same type of contrail form in the same region at the same time. Sometimes altitude matters so that conditions at 33,000 feet are different at 40,000 feet. Obviously, time matters, too.This means that you generally see persistent contrails forming from multiple aircraft within your visibility at the same time.

2. You will note, if you are in the right location as I am, that persistent contrails form from any type of jet, commercial or military, from any airline, and from any country.

What are the scientifically demonstrable physical constraints as to what could possibly constitute a condensation trail, and what couldn't?
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I haven't a clue. You said you knew.
 
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Tippit said:
How would I know who was doing the spraying? The planes were far to high for me to observe any markings. I hadn't arrived here with a prepackaged chemtrail theory to sell anyone, I merely saw the thread and decided to share my own experiences, and photographs.

Your explanations for what you think I saw are not satisfying.
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You actually were here to sell chemtrails, as you claimed you knew what they look like.

Now that you have read my most recent post, you are free to do your own investigation and report your findings to us. I have given you the means to do so.

If, after you you do that, and still believe in chemtrails, tell us what the government should do to prevent airlines from foreign countries spraying chemicals on us.
 
For Tippit (and anyone else who's interested:)

Contrails: Improved Forecasting Technique

Condensation trails (contrails) formed by aircrafts are sometimes visible from the ground for several hours. Numerous contrails are formed in the vicinity of main air- traffic routes; due to additional spreading effects contrails may contribute significantly to the total cloud cover. Continuous
observational methods are used to study the formation of contrails in the subarctic setting of Fairbanks, Alaska. Since March of 2000 a contrail database has been established, which includes contrail characteristics, Federal Aviation Administration flight data, and atmospheric measurements
derived from radiosonde ascents at Fairbanks International Airport. The contrail analysis is based on all-sky digital camera imagery and direct observations of aircrafts.
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These people have been studying the formation of persistent contrails for years, working on methods of predicting when and at what altitudes they're likely to form. The idea is to avoid creating artificial cloud cover and its effects on the environment on the ground.

Download and read some of the papers from the "publications" section. There's lots of information there about what conditions favor the formation and persistence of contrails, and about the testing and validation of predictive models.

If this kind of work results in airlines tweaking flight plans to avoid creating persistent contrails- for environmental reasons- it could leave the chemtrails believers without anything to get their panties in a bunch about.

Wouldn't that be funny?
 
ktesibios said:
If this kind of work results in airlines tweaking flight plans to avoid creating persistent contrails- for environmental reasons- it could leave the chemtrails believers without anything to get their panties in a bunch about.

Wouldn't that be funny?
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Yup. But then they would claim it was an
INSIDE JOB!
 
Elizabeth I said:
Did you like that one? It was my first solo NWO assignment, and I'm pretty proud of it.
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Very impressive, I hope you got a bonus for that one. What made it most effective was the fact that none of the tourists believed it could ever snow on Maui, didn't bring the appropriate clothing, and couldn't stay up there long enough to discern that it WASN'T REALLY SNOW AT ALL!!!!!!!!
 
I know if what I am saying is real or not. I know when a normal contrail is a chemtrail, because it is too hard to accept that I may not know. You can post all the cold hard facts you like, I know what I saw.

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I'd like to know if all those aircraft flying over Europe during WWII were also laying down chemtrails, because there are plenty of photos of some kind of trails in the sky.

If B-17s and B-24s were using chemtrails to try and soften up German resolve, it did not appear to work.
 
Tippit said:
Did anyone actually look at my photos, and honestly conclude that those were condensation trails?
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I did - those are quite normal contrails, the persistent kind. Contrails are persistent when the humidity (at that altitude) is high. When the humidity is low, the contrails dissipate by evaporating.
 
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