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Chemtrails again

I used to think that the theory of evolution was pretty air tight. But I think Tippits research set the bar much higher now. I mean after reading his testimony, I don't see how any sane scientist can deny such evidence. Dude, the guy watched it with his own eyes. How can there be any doubt now?
 
Tippit, how do you know you aren't in any air traffic flight paths? At the altitude required for the types of contrails you photographed, most airplanes wouldn't be noticeable unless you were very good at spotting them. Most people are pretty oblivious to high-altitude planes, unless they happen to be making obvious contrails, or unless that person is a meteor photographer (I used to do this in high school and would capture about 3 planes for every meteor). I do not know if you are in the US, but here is an interesting web site showing most commercial air traffic. Note, commercial aircraft aren't the only things up there.

http://flightaware.com/live/
 
Hokulele said:
Tippit, how do you know you aren't in any air traffic flight paths? At the altitude required for the types of contrails you photographed, most airplanes wouldn't be noticeable unless you were very good at spotting them. Most people are pretty oblivious to high-altitude planes, unless they happen to be making obvious contrails, or unless that person is a meteor photographer (I used to do this in high school and would capture about 3 planes for every meteor). I do not know if you are in the US, but here is an interesting web site showing most commercial air traffic. Note, commercial aircraft aren't the only things up there.

http://flightaware.com/live/
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I gave him instructions earlier on how to use Flight Explorer to confirm for himself just what flights he was seeing. Of course, he won't acknowledge it.
 
bje said:
I gave him instructions earlier on how to use Flight Explorer to confirm for himself just what flights he was seeing. Of course, he won't acknowledge it.
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Yeah, but the site I linked to is free, so he can't use the "I can't afford $9.95 a month" excuse. :p

Seriously though, I did see your post and figured that making the point more than once using different sources would make it clear to any on-lookers that he has no excuse for ignoring it, and if he keeps doing so, it suggests something about his arguments.
 
Hokulele said:
Yeah, but the site I linked to is free, so he can't use the "I can't afford $9.95 a month" excuse. :p

Seriously though, I did see your post and figured that making the point more than once using different sources would make it clear to any on-lookers that he has no excuse for ignoring it, and if he keeps doing so, it suggests something about his arguments.
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Your point is good. I would have used FlightAware except that one is forced to know something about the flight ahead of time, i.e., flight number or type aircraft or origin or destination. There's no ability to point to any plane on a map and find out the info about that flight as there is with Flight Explorer.

If Tippit is truly after the truth, he'll spend the $9.95, I'm sure, and be able to see for himself.
 
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Are you going to dig your feet in like 9/11 Truthers and refuse to acknowledge inconvenient evidence and that there are good reasons that you could be wrong, Tippit, thereby discrediting any of your claims and beliefs?
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There are good reasons that I could be wrong? That implies there is a possibility that I might not be wrong. I'm not refusing to acknowledge evidence, I'm familiar with contrails and "persistent" contrails, and none of that explains or justifies the spraying I saw being done by multiple planes that turned a blue sky into a hazy mist in just a short period of time. In other words, I accept the possibilities that you offered for what I saw, but I am not convinced. After all, I own my own experiences, and I have to weigh what is possible with what is likely, based on them. I reserve the right to not only be suspicious, but also to be wrong.
 
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GDC said:
I actually stopped lurking because of this quote. If it's something unusual that's out of your sphere of experience, it must be a nefarious plot, right? There's no other explanation!

I get the feeling that if they were born 400 years ago, this person would be one of the first to start with cries of "SHE'S A WITCH!!"

It doesn't matter what other people who actually know what they're talking about say, right? To you, it was weird and scary, and that's all that matters.
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There are plenty of possible explanations for what I saw, some more "nefarious" than others. But the two most relevant possibilities are 1) A coincidence of an unusual number of planes for this area and unusual atmospheric conditions to produce persistent condensation trails turning a blue sky into a milky haze, and 2) Unknown planes spraying unknown substances for unknown purposes.

Since I actually saw the planes emitting particulate, since I live in a rural area with almost no air traffic, and since the scope of these "condensation" trails was so immense so as to visibly alter the sky as far as the eye could see in 360 degrees, I have ruled out possibility #1. My photos don't really do justice as to how drastically the clear blue sky was altered.

Since I don't consent to having anything sprayed on me, for whatever purpose, I have a problem with the only other possibility, even if whatever they're spraying is harmless.
 
Hokulele said:
Yeah, but the site I linked to is free, so he can't use the "I can't afford $9.95 a month" excuse. :p

Seriously though, I did see your post and figured that making the point more than once using different sources would make it clear to any on-lookers that he has no excuse for ignoring it, and if he keeps doing so, it suggests something about his arguments.
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I appreciate the links, however, since I didn't log the time and date, and since that feature on my camera was turned off, I don't have enough information to determine whether they were commercial airplanes. That isn't really relevant though, because again, I saw them spraying, and I saw them flying haphazard routes. The latter should be evident from the photos.
 
Here's a question: when did aircraft begin doing this alleged widespread laying of chemtrails? Ten years ago? Twenty? Fifty?
 
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Tippit said:
I appreciate the links, however, since I didn't log the time and date, and since that feature on my camera was turned off, I don't have enough information to determine whether they were commercial airplanes. That isn't really relevant though, because again, I saw them spraying, and I saw them flying haphazard routes. The latter should be evident from the photos.
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Funny
 
I've video taped planes leaving contrails in patterns. It seems pilots don't like to fly through a contrail, so they keep laying a new one parallel to the earlier ones. When you have cross traffic, it creates a grid pattern. If they last a long time, you end up with an overcast sky.

It looks freaky. Like they are doing it on purpose. You can see satellite images of extreme overcast in heavy traffic patterns. I know it is just paraffin oil, naphtha-kerosene, alkylated phenols, some dinonylnaphthylsulfonic acid, corrosion inhibitors, icing Inhibitors, Biocides, and water vapor, but still, all that crap floating down in the air is strangely disturbing.



















Unless you don't give a crap what is in the air you breathe ...
 
Corsair 115 said:
Here's a question: when did aircraft begin doing this alleged widespread laying of chemtrails? Ten years ago? Twenty? Fifty?
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It's funny you should mention something a few years back. After deregulation of the airlines I've heard that a few startups reduced the size of the lavatory holding tanks and just vented overboard. I hadn't thought of that previously, but I'll bet thats what it was.

Geesh, I hope they never vent that stuff over my head. I don't blame him for being a little upset about it as I would be too.

Tippit, I'm sorry I didn't remember that previously. I'll bet it smelled really bad too, didn't it?
 
robinson said:
I've video taped planes leaving contrails in patterns. It seems pilots don't like to fly through a contrail, so they keep laying a new one parallel to the earlier ones. When you have cross traffic, it creates a grid pattern. If they last a long time, you end up with an overcast sky.

It looks freaky. Like they are doing it on purpose. You can see satellite images of extreme overcast in heavy traffic patterns. I know it is just paraffin oil, naphtha-kerosene, alkylated phenols, some dinonylnaphthylsulfonic acid, corrosion inhibitors, icing Inhibitors, Biocides, and water vapor, but still, all that crap floating down in the air is strangely disturbing.

Unless you don't give a crap what is in the air you breathe ...
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Jets, I believe are cleaner than your car! Sorry, you can skip all this crap and clean up your car first. At 700 C fuel seem happy to come clean.

The planes are not avoiding anything (sort of). They have different altitudes and paths. You are joking right? You can stack over 10 planes up, different directions and different attitudes over the same place;, FL240, 250, 260 270 290 310 330 350 370 390 410 430 450 and more, Every altitude the opposite direction.

Planes navigation systems a while back were off up to 3 or 4 miles; the road is like 8 miles wide in a sense. Now planes can if they want be on course to 10 feet. The pilots are not close enough to worry about missing the contrail usually but you are right if a set was coming down on the other plane he would avoid it incase there was turbulence.
 
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It truly is amazing. The disinfo program regarding chemtrails is over sixty years old!
Consider this early disinfo attempt from that notorious NWO shill Antoine de Saint-Exupery:
The German on the ground knows us by the pearly white scarf which every plane flying at high altitude trails behind like a bridal veil. The disturbance caused by our meteoric flight crystallizes the watery vapor in the atmosphere. We unwind behind us a cirrus of icicles. If the atmospheric conditions are favorable to the formation of clouds, our wake will thicken bit by bit and become an evening cloud over the countryside.
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From Flight to Arras Chapter VIII Copyright 1942
Available in Airman's Odyssey, published by Harcourt Brace & Company

Notice how he cleverly implies that not only do high-flying airplanes leave contrails, but that when conditions are right, they will thicken and cover the sky! It's almost as though he had observed, over sixty years ago, the same sort of phenomena that Tippit saw.
 
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