Mister Agenda
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OTH, reading back a bit I can see the temptation to generalize....
Lots of things are plausible. But that in itself means nothing. You need actual evidence to arrive at a reasonable conclusion.I personally don't know whether Pearl Harbor was an LIHOP/MIHOP type incident, but I find it plausible given our history. From a skeptical point of view, I just don't know.
You come here telling us black is white and up is down and are surprised when we ask you to justify your claims? And then you invoke the good name of Chomsky as if he wouldn't also laugh you away as the crank you so clearly are?
Sounds like garden variety puberty to me.

Thought #1:
I would recommend people here study the works, debates and videos of Noam Chomsky. There is a man who could crush every one of you dust-mites. An enormous amount of his material you would almost certainly label as "woo". He's a very, very intelligent and wise man.
Which JREF Forum are you on? Who on this one has EVER said that?
In my opinion, that's the very definition of a cult. Wildcat's cult, of which Tokorona is a part of, is the very definition of hypocrisy.
My tone in the previous post is a bit strong, and I'd like to apologize for that.
Actually we respond to evidence and facts. For example, this North American Union that Ron Paul wets his pants over. Is there any evidence at all that there is any government or even a government official supporting such a thing? Maybe you'll be the first Ron Paul supporter to name one!More directly, no one ever said that, but it seems to me that people are skeptical around here only when it benefits their agenda or argument.
Lots of things are plausible. But that in itself means nothing. You need actual evidence to arrive at a reasonable conclusion.
In regards to Pearl Harbor, your first step should be to go read some good books about the subject. I point out again: without Admiral Yamamoto, there is no attack on Pearl Harbor. So unless the Commander-in-Chief of the Imperial Japanese Navy was in collusion with the United States government, LIHOP/MIHOP is already on very shaky ground.
Then when you add the rest of the known and verified information surrounding that day, LIHOP/MIHOP theories are utterly demolished.
Japan conducted a successful suprise attack on the United States. Military history is filled with examples of successful surprise attacks.
Actually we respond to evidence and facts. For example, this North American Union... .
Is there any evidence at all that there is any government or even a government official supporting such a thing?
Maybe you'll be the first Ron Paul supporter to name one!
The SPP has similar intentions to those ascribed to the hypothetical NAU.

It is often implied, for example, on this thread. Apparently "there is no chance" that our government knew about an upcoming threat with Pearl Harbor, but our numerous coups d'etat in South America, the Iran-Contra scandal are all duly ignored.
More directly, no one ever said that, but it seems to me that people are skeptical around here only when it benefits their agenda or argument.
Maybe you should check out a few sub-forums other than this one. I see plenty of criticism of the current administration around here.
Why is it always the Ronulans that have no idea at all what the SPP is all about?