WTC-7 Was Taken Down Using Controlled Demolition

[scotth]

Oh yeah, Terral, one other thing.

What exactly is a "Thermite Shaped Charge"?

Dave

Something completely non-existant that he made up (as you suspected).

Terral, a clue:

Thermite is not an explosive and is not formed into charges of any kind.
That photo with 'thermite residue'..... It isn't. There is no way you could that nice clean horizontal cut off with thermite. Thermite would run all down the size of the column, it would not give that horizontal cut at all. That was done with some kind of cutting torch (probably long after the collapse was over).

(btw, this kid has used both thermite and shaped charges... and I'm calling you clueless)

 

[Calcas]

PS. We have a Mark Roberts Lover over at the Loose Change Board talking a bunch of junk on this thread. He says "Marky" (heh) posts here at the JREF Board. Do any of you know his user name? Supposedly he is a worthy debating opponent on these 9/11 Topics and I would very much like the opportunity to see if he is worth his salt. Thanks in advance,

GL,

Terral

You're joking right?

Here's a link for you. Check out the link in his siggy and come back in a few days if you still have any questions.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=82689

 

[aggle-rithm]

Hi NDBoston:




Yes. Can you explain to me how the building you worked in for three years including 9/11 collapsed due to building fires in just a few hours? We are talking about the Controlled Demolition Theory versus the Building Fires Theory, unless you have a third hypothesis. I received my first General Contractor License in the mid 1980’s and my father is a General Contractor and together we have demolished more buildings that perhaps everyone else here combined. I know WTC-7 contained a myriad of solid red-iron steel connections that had to be ‘severed’ using ‘cutter charges’ having NOTHING to do with any building fires. The symmetrical collapse is a Controlled Demolition Signature, just like all the 45-degree cuts found all over the place in the remaining stub columns and debris. The fact that the Loyal Bushie inside-job bad guys DUPED you and your buddies changes NOTHING about the evidence in this case. No natural phenomena has the stored energy potential to ‘sever’ ALL of the steel columns, girders, beams and bar-joists in the WTC-7 steel-framed network to cause the catastrophic symmetrical collapse of the entire structure in just a few hours.

Many of your ‘Fire Myths’ are debunked here with descriptions of ‘shaped charges.’

PS. We have a Mark Roberts Lover over at the Loose Change Board talking a bunch of junk on this thread. He says "Marky" (heh) posts here at the JREF Board. Do any of you know his user name? Supposedly he is a worthy debating opponent on these 9/11 Topics and I would very much like the opportunity to see if he is worth his salt. Thanks in advance,

GL,

Terral

Terral,

How long do you think this writer's strike will continue? I miss my TV shows.

 

[ElMondoHummus]

Hi NDBoston:




Yes. Can you explain to me how the building you worked in for three years including 9/11 collapsed due to building fires in just a few hours? We are talking about the Controlled Demolition Theory versus the Building Fires Theory, unless you have a third hypothesis. I received my first General Contractor License in the mid 1980’s and my father is a General Contractor and together we have demolished more buildings that perhaps everyone else here combined. I know WTC-7 contained a myriad of solid red-iron steel connections that had to be ‘severed’ using ‘cutter charges’ having NOTHING to do with any building fires. The symmetrical collapse is a Controlled Demolition Signature, just like all the 45-degree cuts found all over the place in the remaining stub columns and debris. The fact that the Loyal Bushie inside-job bad guys DUPED you and your buddies changes NOTHING about the evidence in this case. No natural phenomena has the stored energy potential to ‘sever’ ALL of the steel columns, girders, beams and bar-joists in the WTC-7 steel-framed network to cause the catastrophic symmetrical collapse of the entire structure in just a few hours.

Many of your ‘Fire Myths’ are debunked here with descriptions of ‘shaped charges.’

PS. We have a Mark Roberts Lover over at the Loose Change Board talking a bunch of junk on this thread. He says "Marky" (heh) posts here at the JREF Board. Do any of you know his user name? Supposedly he is a worthy debating opponent on these 9/11 Topics and I would very much like the opportunity to see if he is worth his salt. Thanks in advance,

GL,

Terral

See, ND? I told you he'd do this.

ETA: Note how he also dodged your question. He still can't explain how you all didn't notice anything.

 

[Myriad]

Terral, I'm still interested in the one claim you made in the OP that is not already long refuted by easily available sources of information.

What is the basis of your claim that the firefighter in the picture you posted in your OP has a confused head?

What do you think he is confused about, and how do you know?

You might feel this is a minor point among your earth-shattering red-pill claims. (I don't feel that way myself. Fires and buildings don't mind if you misrepresent, belittle, and patronize them, but people do). But if you can't offer a rationale to support even such a minor claim, why should anyone pay any attention to your major ones?

Respectfully,
Myriad

 

[cisco]

the supposed "largest" truther board (9/11 truth group on myspace) . . . shut down a few days ago.

Details?

 

[~enigma~]

Details?

Details? They shut down. Didn't I say that?? Oh...you want the woo answer. The mod was kidnapped and severely beaten by the NWO and the members of the group were all tracked down by IP and are being systematically eliminated

Viva la NWO

 

[defaultdotxbe]

Hi NDBoston:

Boston >> Can you explain to me how the building I worked in for three years including 9/11 was wired for controlled demolition without myself or any of my fellow employees at Salomon noticing it?

Yes. <snipped non-explanation>

GL,

Terral

then please do so

 

[bje]

Hi BJE:

Your idea of a ‘challenge’ (heh) is posting three sentences of nonsense to my threads. Get a case and please try again.

Let's see:

Hey, Terral,

Let's play stump the band.

Just what was the wreckage that the 1,000+ people saw and/or removed from the Pentagon? What were their statements about the wreckage?
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3398438&postcount=31

Yes, inconvenient questions for Terral - required questions for real investigators.

Really? Posts like yours only make me laugh out loud.
GL, Terral

And WHAT a nervous laugh it is, Terral! Just imagine all those witnesses you're SO afraid to quote:

These are just some of the people who would have to know of AA77's existence as a flight on 9/11/2001, a few hundred easily.

Add that to the testimony of the 1,000+ people who saw and/or removed the wreckage and you've got a lot of sources.

Don't run away, again, Terral. Tell us what all of these people saw and know.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3401617&postcount=413

Terral, are you going to answer the questions or would you prefer to tell us how it feels to live in the dustbin of history with debunked, washed-up Pentagon no-planers, Dick Eastman, Gerard Holmgren, Craig Ranke, Jim Fetzer, and RedIbis, to name just a few?

 

[DGM]

Hi NDBoston:




Yes. Can you explain to me how the building you worked in for three years including 9/11 collapsed due to building fires in just a few hours? We are talking about the Controlled Demolition Theory versus the Building Fires Theory, unless you have a third hypothesis. I received my first General Contractor License in the mid 1980’s and my father is a General Contractor and together we have demolished more buildings that perhaps everyone else here combined. I know WTC-7 contained a myriad of solid red-iron steel connections that had to be ‘severed’ using ‘cutter charges’ having NOTHING to do with any building fires. The symmetrical collapse is a Controlled Demolition Signature, just like all the 45-degree cuts found all over the place in the remaining stub columns and debris. The fact that the Loyal Bushie inside-job bad guys DUPED you and your buddies changes NOTHING about the evidence in this case. No natural phenomena has the stored energy potential to ‘sever’ ALL of the steel columns, girders, beams and bar-joists in the WTC-7 steel-framed network to cause the catastrophic symmetrical collapse of the entire structure in just a few hours.

Many of your ‘Fire Myths’ are debunked here with descriptions of ‘shaped charges.’

PS. We have a Mark Roberts Lover over at the Loose Change Board talking a bunch of junk on this thread. He says "Marky" (heh) posts here at the JREF Board. Do any of you know his user name? Supposedly he is a worthy debating opponent on these 9/11 Topics and I would very much like the opportunity to see if he is worth his salt. Thanks in advance,

GL,

Terral

I'm a general contractor.

Please stop lying. I wish I could forward your posts to your licensing board, they would love it.

I know WTC-7 contained a myriad of solid red-iron steel connections

Care to explain what this means? Be careful now engineers are listening.

 

[twinstead]

then please do so

It appears that since he has decided that it was impossible for the building to fall the way many experts say it did, it doesn't matter how 'They' managed to wire the building--they just must have been able to pull it off in secret, period.

This is such a common tactic, a kind of woo woo circuit breaker logic that makes it impossible to 'win' a debate with them, at least in their minds. To me it sits at the core of many truther's cognitive problems.

It's useless bothering with minor details like how the charges were set surreptitiously; they just were.

 

[MIKILLINI]

Where is your precedent for diesel fuel fires causing the collapse of any steel-framed skyscraper in the history of this planet? How did falling debris from WTC-1 over 300 feet away penetrate WTC-7 to ignite diesel fuel in the storage tanks in the first place? :0) Never mind, because you have no support for your theory either way . . . and we both know it . . .

<Snip>

Terral

Terral, you make claim one of the firefighters in the photo looks confused....You ought to look at that photo again....Tell Me what you see above and in between those firefighters; Do you see another person there?

How many electrical transformers were in building 7? Silicon oil-filled transformers have a tendency to be volatile when they are exposed to extreme heat generated by fire. The fuel oil and diesel fuel within the building contribute to feeding the fire.

Go ahead and browse through this FEMA report, Terral. Look at some of the pictures and you will see debris ejected beyond WTC 7.
http://www.fema.gov/pdf/library/fema403_ch5.pdf

If you decide to ignore this, let Me put it this way: Because you have no support for your theory . . . and we both know it . . .

 

[Terral]

Lord-Have-Mercy . . .

Hi Enigma:

Enigma >> Before ANYONE gets too involved maybe it would be best to know that the supposed "largest" truther board (9/11 truth group on myspace) really didn't accept this bs well and if I recall correctly, the woo that introduced it was systematically dismantled and then banned. BTW, that group shut down a few days ago.

Yep. This looks like the best “Building Fires Took Down WTC-7” post I have seen anywhere on this thread. I suppose posting 3 sentences about “the supposed 'largest' truther board” proves as much as anything from anyone on your side of this debate. Where is the case for a few building fires taking down WTC-7 in just a few hours? Oh. None of you have even thought to make a case for anything. :0) You really believe that setting a few fires to run away will produce this result (picture). :0) And, you also think that arguing semantics over our use of ‘shaped charge’ terms is going to prove that Senor Bushie’s Building Fires took down WTC-7? :0) All I see here is chit-chat with some whining and complaining mixed in for good measure. You confuse fruitless activity with actually accomplishing something . . .

GL,

Terral

 

[Miragememories]

It appears that since he has decided that it was impossible for the building to fall the way many experts say it did, it doesn't matter how 'They' managed to wire the building--they just must have been able to pull it off in secret, period.

This is such a common tactic, a kind of woo woo circuit breaker logic that makes it impossible to 'win' a debate with them, at least in their minds. To me it sits at the core of many truther's cognitive problems.

It's useless bothering with minor details like how the charges were set surreptitiously; they just were.

Given that both FEMA and NIST, each representing a large group of supposedly well qualified engineers, have not been able publish a determination for why WTC7 collapsed, I'd argue there is no such thing as "many experts" saying anything definitive at this time.

MM

 

[phunk]

Hi Dave:




Thermite Shaped Charges (picture) are an illegal brand of ‘cutter charges’ utilized to sever steel connections,

That picture is not a thermite charge, it is a high explosive charge. If you made a shaped charge like that with thermite, it would simply fall of the side of the column when you lit it.


ETA: my bad, didn't read page 2 and see that several people had already commented on this.

PS. When are you going to patent your shaped thermite cutting charges Terral? You could make millions!

 

[DGM]

Given that both FEMA and NIST, each representing a large group of supposedly well qualified engineers, have not been able publish a determination for why WTC7 collapsed, I'd argue there is no such thing as "many experts" saying anything definitive at this time.

MM

So MM do you support Terral's assessments as representative of your "truth" movement?

 

[twinstead]

Given that both FEMA and NIST, each representing a large group of supposedly well qualified engineers, have not been able publish a determination for why WTC7 collapsed, I'd argue there is no such thing as "many experts" saying anything definitive at this time.

A point taken.

But, all these undecided experts, yet Terral (and you?) are absolutely convinced it was CD. I wonder how many of these undecided experts are convinced, or even leaning toward, CD as well?

Regardless, what is your opinion of my characterization of Terral's debate tactics?

 

[cisco]

Details? They shut down. Didn't I say that?? Oh...you want the woo answer.

No, I wanted to know if you knew the details.

I was wondering if they changed their minds, realized they were full of poop, got bored, decided something else was more interesting, etc.

Or, if someone shut them down, but then I would've thought you'd have said "they were shut down," not "they shut down."

 

[Mince]

WTC-7 Was Taken Down Using Controlled Demolition

Wow, Terral, you've proven WTC7 was a controlled demolition. Good work man. Now, before you can take your evidence to appropriate authorities (which I know you're dying to do), you have to prove who orchestrated the controlled demolition. I mean, how do you know Al Queda didn't rig WTC7 for demolition; and you need names to get subpoenas, warrants and indictments.

Back to the drawing board!


Also, in order for the government to use the story that WTC7 collapsed because debris from one of the other collapsing WTC buildings hit WTC7 and started uncontrollable fires, they'd need debris from one of the other collapsing WTC buildings to hit WTC7 and start uncontrollable fires. Makes sense, right? Was is divine serendipity, then, that debris from one of the other collapsing WTC buildings hit WTC7, starting uncontrollable fires, or did the government perhaps remote control debris into WTC7 and throw a match in after the debris hit? You're going to have to explain this to the judge, so you'd better be prepared.

 

[HeyLeroy]

Terral:

Care to correct your error?