Something I was never sceptical about for some reason

Was Herzblut's last post supposed to be serious? Surely it can't have been.
 
Herzblut said:
The article talks about an interview to Reuters, doesn't it? Hence, Reuters, the BBC and yourself are propagating this ridiculousness.
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Right. I'm sure that he ONLY told this nonsense to Rueters, and kept his idiotic comments to himself in his hometown. I'm sure he is not running around repeating this to his parishoners and anyone else who will listen. I'm sure that's the case. It's all Reuters fault. :rolleyes:

Herzblut said:
How many people has he been making change their mind so far? Please quantify the harm caused by this change of mind. Relate this to the harm caused by the South African government which is directly responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths.
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Tu Quoque fallacy and irrelevant. What the SA govt has done is irrelevant to this Bishops idiocy and the RCC's culpability by failing to denounce his nonsense. How many changed their mind? Who knows? Also irrelevant. If a single person believes his nonsense and stopped using a condom and got AIDS, wouldn't that be enough? Actually, the POSSIBILITY that they might is more than enough.

If a preacher told his congregation that buckling their children in car seats was sinful, do I really need to produce an example of a child dying from not be in a car seat to denounce it as dangerous nonsense? Wouldn't such statements be grounds for his church denouncing at as well?

I don't have to see dead bodies in the aisle to know that yelling "fire" in a crowded theater is dangerous enough to denounce it. The RCC should have publicly rebuked this guy and removed him. They didn't.

But no, you would have us go take polls to first find out if people stopped using condoms and then got AIDS before taking any action against this nonsense. Is that sand around your ears I see?
 
Herzblut said:
SO YOU KNOW what's good for the black man, don't you, white man?

After colonizing our country for FIVEHUNDRET YEARS in which you enslaved our brothers and sons to be chained to the oars in OUR OWN gold mines.

YOU KNOW, STILL, what's good for the black man, don't you, white man?

After you massacred so many of our women and children, when we fought for our independence against your ruthless troups.

YOU KNOW, STILL, what's good for the black man, don't you, white man?

After you, finally, escaped and left us alone in dispair, but, how convenient, kept selling your lethal weapons to both sides of our civil war in which a million of our good people died.

YOU KNOW, STILL, what's good for the black man, don't you, white man?

So, nowadays, you don't want our 'babies to be born to ill people rather than a world of healthier people', do you? In the end, it's still your world, not ours, isn't it white man? "Rather dead than alive and riotously reproducing.", we have heard that before, white man. Remember? In the 1960s, when WHO authorities believed there was no alternative to the overpopulation problem but to assure that up to 40 percent of the children in poor nations would die of malaria. OUR children, white man.

YOU KNOW, STILL, what's good for the black man, don't you, white man?

AND WE FOLLOW YOU, STILL, white man? Because YOU KNOW?
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Besides being a racist rant, did you actually have a point?

Are you saying that NOT using condoms and GETTING AIDS is good for the "black man"?

Or, are you saying that Europeans ARE infecting condoms with AIDS?

Or what?

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halofish2000 said:
Back to the thread, Isaiah 40:22 mentions the earth being a circle.
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Killjoy. ;)

I read this verse to support a flat, circular disc, consistent with the book of Enoch. The earth is a circle, with a semi-circular canopy above it, like an enclosed dome. God and heaven sit above this.
 
skeptical said:
But no, you would have us go take polls to first find out if people stopped using condoms and then got AIDS before taking any action against this nonsense. Is that sand around your ears I see?
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Very cute, how you refuse to provide any evidence. Probably because you know you cannot.
 
UnrepentantSinner said:
I see the conflation of geocentrism, flat-earthism and general scientific Luddism raises it's ugly head.
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If you are going to use "Luddism" in this manner don't capitalise it. the Luddites where not anti-technology or anti-technological progress, they where campaigning for (skilled) workers rights, not against the introduction of machinery.
the word "Luddite" non capitalised) has become used to denote an anti-technological bias, but as this thread is about historical myths, I think the distinction should be drawn. ;)
 
skeptical said:
Killjoy. ;)

I read this verse to support a flat, circular disc, consistent with the book of Enoch. The earth is a circle, with a semi-circular canopy above it, like an enclosed dome. God and heaven sit above this.
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Wait a msec, is the largest city Anhk-Morkpork? Does it travel through space supported by elephants standing on a giant turtle? Does the Gray Mouser make a guest appearance in the pentultimate days?
Or was that the Book of Terry?
 
skeptical said:
Killjoy. ;)

I read this verse to support a flat, circular disc, consistent with the book of Enoch. The earth is a circle, with a semi-circular canopy above it, like an enclosed dome. God and heaven sit above this.
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Yep... biblically, the earth was a snow globe.
 

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Herzblut said:
Very cute, how you refuse to provide any evidence. Probably because you know you cannot.
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No, your absolutely right. We should immediately enlist global survey companies to take exhaustive polls of the residents to determine if having their spiritual leader tell them that condoms are poisoned with AIDS causes them to stop using condoms.

It is imperative that we have such empirical data before we can even begin to criticize someone who makes these claims or the organization that supports him.

We in no way can assume that such statements are dangerous on their face. We should sit back on our hands and keep our mouths shut, no matter how ridiculous or dangerous these claims are.

We should of course conduct the same surveys to find out if yelling fire in a theater results in anyone being injured making a mad dash for the exits.

Your absolutely correct.

(This is sarcasm, just in case anyone cannot tell)
 
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A Christian Sceptic said:
There's been many times someone has brought up to my attention how backwards the medieval church was for believing in a flat earth and refusing to change with and support science. Specifically, it's often used with Columbus and his lofty goals of sailing off.
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No the reason people thought columbus was a fool was that he thought that the world was much much smaller than it was thought at the time, he was of course wrong.

Basicaly he thought it would be nice if china was closer to europe by ocean than by land.
 
Sefarst said:
Burning at the stake was a European thing. We Americans wanted to show how enlightened and progressive we were so we hanged our witches.:D

But yeah, the flat earth/Columbus issue is a myth.
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Yes they where not continental europeans, but proper englishmen and witches got hung in britian
 
Leif Roar said:
No, it bloody well didn't. That is a 19th century myth which modern historians have refuted. Galileo is pretty much a lone swallow (and even that case is nowhere near as black and white as most people seem to believe.)
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Well didn't the church say the a vacuum could not exist so that lifting mercury in a glass tube can be done to any high in italy.
 
blutoski said:
Yep. The reason nobody else wanted to do the Western route was that they thought the planet was about 24,000km in circumference (it is). Columbus had subscribed to the 'alternative' view that it was just over 16,000km in circumference, so he provisioned for a short Atlantic crossing to Japan. The gamble paid off in a different way.
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It is in the neighborhood of 24,000 miles, not kilometers.


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Herzblut said:
It is true, without a shred of doubt.

Reading thru this thorough analysis 'Galileo's condemnation: The real and complex story', which I've found here:

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa4015/is_200301/ai_n9199980/pg_1,
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Interesting, though odd, bit of research, until you dig for more by Emerson Thomas McMullen:

http://personal.georgiasouthern.edu/~etmcmull/EvolDebate.htm

My first thesis is that descent from a common ancestor is not scientific. After Dr. Stullken has spoken, I will present my second thesis that Intelligent Design/Causation is scientific.
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Apparently you didn't know he was an ID'er. Complex, real? I don't think so.
 
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