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Can this qualify as a challenge?

PeaceCrusader said:
Dear Psiload and Fellow Forumers,

I am back but not to pursue the Challenge anymore. I just would like to complete what need to be clarified and present my view before I finally depart.







If you will send a text message containing the word "Thee", how would you type it? How do you pronounce "Thee"? And how do you pronounce the following: they, them, themselves, this, these, that, there, their, than, thus, thy, thyself, thine, thou, though, thence?

Best regards,
Aristeo Canlas Fernando, Peace Crusader and Echo
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Uhhh... I don't send text messages, but if I did, I guess I'd send the word Thee, as something along the lines of T-H-E-E.

I'm not familiar with the modern text messaging 'lingo'... has D taken the place of T in technospeak? So God almighty has adopted text-o-speak as His modern language of choice? So any divinely-inspired modern bible would contain lots of winky faces... ;) and ROFLs?

And yea, the Lord did text unto the Philistines...

U guys have to stop s1nnig. I totaly <3 U guys 4ever but I will pwn U when I CUL8ER and U will be all OMG! and WTF! and I be LOL!!!
 
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One of the funniest gags I've seen on the net is Maury Povich telling Joseph, "The results are in! Joseph, you are not the father!"

LOL, and all that :D

M.
 
Psiload said:
And yea, the Lord did text unto the Philistines...

U guys have to stop s1nnig. I totaly <3 U guys 4ever but I will pwn U when I CUL8ER and U will be all OMG! and WTF! and I be LOL!!!
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holy CRAP that's funny. Mind if I steal it for a sig? With credit to you, of course.
 
PeaceCrusader said:
...Had Ama agreed to the Challenge, I would have asked Jackalgirl's numbers. Unfortunately, He did not accept the Challenge so I did not pursue Jackalgirl's anymore.
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PC,

Thanks for the explanation. I see now that you understood the Challenge and the test with Jackalgirl's numbers to be parts of the same thing. I didn't see it that way. Here's why.

As I understand it, the first test that is a part of a Challenge is the "preliminary test." This occurs after the application is submitted, the protocol to be used in both the preliminary test and the formal test has been worked out, and the signed application has been returned to the challenger. You weren't nearly that far along. But, as you may remember from the FAQs, JREF encourages would-be applicants to do informal tests very early in the process so that they can assure themselves that things will go as they hope under circumstances similar to a test under the proposed protocol. These informal tests aren't a part of the Challenge and aren't required. They are, however, useful to help applicants work out the protocol and avoid embarrassing failures.

I understood asking Ama about Jackalgirl's numbers to be in this informal category. Plus, assuming Ama had provided the correct numbers, it would have been a very impressive demonstration to many folks here.

If you get to visit with Ama at sometime in the future, I hope you'll ask for Jackalgirl's numbers. Now that you have decided not to apply for the MDC I can see no reason for Ama to refuse. Many people here, me included, would love to be amazed by getting the correct list of numbers.
 
PC also avoided bringing up the back up target, the statue of a well known xtian that resides on my computer monitor. I had e-mailed Loss Leader what it was, so there could be confirmation. You would have thought that an easier target (g*d should know his own, right) would have been acceptable...
 
Blackwell said:
Done and done -- thanks! I LOL every time I read it!
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11th commandment (KJV):

"Thou shalt not f<@& with thy Lord’s Blackberry.":D

At least this thread is good for humor again. It stop being funny awhile ago and is just sad now.
 
Hi guys, I think I've read all 18 pages of this post, and my one observation is that PC becomes inundated with questions and criticisms from all directions, which allows him to pick and choose which ones he replies too.
Causing for much repeated text and little forward progress.

That being said, I'd like to suggest that PC is only (re)asked the following question, to which I dont think hes ever replied:


Why does the spirit consider the test gambling?
Gambling is only involved when the outcome is unknown to the players, and if anyone
is aware of their own capabilities, it must be the spirit.


Rob.
 
Dear Fellow Forumers,

On June 4, 2007, I received an undated letter from JREF in reply to my application to the One Million Dollar Challenge. Here is that letter:

Aristeo Fernando,

Thank you for your interest in the James Randi Educational Foundation's One Million Dollar Challenge.

I have reviewed your claim and suggested protocol, and wondered what part your assistant would be playing in the proceedings. Would she need to see the numbers before they were put in the box? Would she be present when you said what the numbers were?

If so, it seems that she could just communicate the numbers to you. Does the spirit inhabit her after the numbers are safely locked away, without being viewed by anyone?

Please clarify this element of your protocol either in writing to:

James Randi Educational Foundation
201 SE 12th St.
Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33316

Or via e-mail at: Challenge@randi.org

Thank you again for your interest,

(Sgd) JREF Challenge Desk

Herewith is my reply which I e-mailed a few minutes ago:

June 7, 2007

Gentlemen:

I received your reply to my application to the One Million Dollar Challenge on June 4, 2007.

I have already stated in the forum under the topic “Can this qualify as a challenge?” sometime in April 2007 that I am withdrawing my application because the Spirit who I rely upon to know what the numbers are in the sealed boxes did not accept the Challenge. I got His answer when I went to the Philippines during the Holy Week to personally ask Him if He was willing to accept it.

Had He accepted the Challenge, I would like to answer your queries regarding the protocol:
  • What part would my assistant, Mrs. Liwayway Alvaran, play in the proceedings? It is her physical body that the Spirit appropriates and uses to communicate with the people. Without her, the Spirit cannot convey to me the numbers in the sealed boxes. I do not have the ability to know what numbers are in the boxes.
  • Would Mrs. Alvaran see the numbers before they were put in the box? No. This would have avoided any suspicion on your part “that she could just communicate the numbers to me.”
  • Would she be present when you said what the numbers were? Yes.
  • Does the spirit inhabit her after the numbers are safely locked away, without being viewed by anyone? Yes. After you have safely locked away the numbers, the Spirit would appropriate the body of Mrs. Alvaran and say the numbers in each sealed box to me which I would have conveyed to you.
In lieu of the Challenge, I hope that you will know Him and believe in Him when you find His prophecies that I presented at various times in the forum become fulfilled.

Thank you for your reply. Please accept this e-mail as my official withdrawal from the Challenge.

Yours sincerely,
Aristeo Fernando

Best regards,
Aristeo Fernando, Peace Crusader and Echo
Motto: pro aris et focis
"The Internet is mightier than the sword."


 
Thanks for the update, PC.
PeaceCrusader said:
...I hope that you will know Him and believe in Him when you find His prophecies that I presented at various times in the forum become fulfilled.
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First, please don’t proselytize; it’s irritating.

And second, none of the prophecies came or are likely to come true. You just twist and contort the facts to continue your delusion and willful ignorance. (Gotral (sp?)=Aids) :rolleyes:

Anyhow, thanks again!:)
 
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PeaceCrusader said:
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In lieu of the Challenge, I hope that you will know Him and believe in Him when you find His prophecies that I presented at various times in the forum become fulfilled.
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You mean this guy who screwed you over when you asked for a little precise help by telling the content of boxes?

"The pestilence is Jesus Christ
There never was a sacrifice
No man upon the crucifix
Beware the cult of purity
Infectious imbecility
I've made my choice.
Six six six."

Slayer, "Cult", from the album "Christ Illusion".
 
For you lord.
You are the flag-bearer of these nations
One against the other that die in the mud
No piety. No deity
Is that your forgiveness?
Saint. Martyr. Goat. Billy.
Forgive? Rule8 he forgives
He hangs upon his cross
In self-righteous judgment
Hangs in crucified delight
Nailed to the extend of His vision
His cross. His manhood. His violence. Guilt. Sin.

Crass, "Reality Asylum", from the album "Feeding The 5,000". Some versions of the album had the track replaced with an equal length period of silence titled "The Sound of Free Speech" after the group were prosecuted under UK blasphemy laws. It's great to live in a country where the state religion is Christianity.

Full lyrics are NSFW and likely to offend, so don't google them!
 
Birth of a three-eyed baby

Dear All,

I am back, not for the challenge, but would like to share with you what I found on the Internet today. This is regarding the birth of a three-eyed baby in India on 2008 January 17. I believe this fulfills a prophecy of the Holy Spirit that I mentioned in my post earlier. I know that it is unnatural and unbelievable for a human being to be born with three eyes but I still mentioned it because it is one of the prophecies of the Holy Spirit that He told us.

Here is that article:

http://www.rxpgnews.com/medicalnews/Baby-with-abnormal-features-deified-in-Jharkhand_83897.shtml

Baby with abnormal features deified in Jharkhand
Drawn by the belief that she is an incarnation of Shiva, the villagers visit Sukhlal's house every day with garlands and incense sticks to worship the girl.

By IANS, [RxPG] Ranchi, Jan 17 - A girl born with three eyes and two noses has been attracting hordes of people who believe her to be an incarnation of Hindu god Shiva.

The birth of the 'wonder girl' in Angara block of Ranchi created quite a stir last week with villagers queuing up for a glimpse of the baby.

'People from far-flung areas are coming for a glimpse of my daughter. Why has god played such a cruel joke with me by giving me a daughter with abnormal features,' rued Sukhlal Mahto, the girl's father.

Though her two eyes appear to be normal, she has a third eye in the middle of two noses. But she has not opened her third eye yet, Shuklal said.

'Even Lord Shiva did not open his third eye regularly. Shiva opened it once to destroy someone,' said Mahesh Mahto, a villager.

Drawn by the belief that she is an incarnation of Shiva, the villagers visit Sukhlal's house every day with garlands and incense sticks to worship the girl.

'It is a case of a genetic disorder,' said Manish Kumar, a general physician.


8-8-8

Also: http://www.indiaenews.com/health/20080117/92144.htm

Baby with abnormal features deified in Jharkhand

A girl born with three eyes and two noses has been attracting hordes of people who believe her to be an incarnation of Hindu god Shiva.
FYI.
Regards,
PeaceCrusader
 
PeaceCrusader said:
Dear All,

I am back, not for the challenge, but would like to share with you what I found on the Internet today....snippety
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Since this doesn't relate to your challenge, maybe a mod could be kind enough to move this to the appropriate section.
 
PeaceCrusader said:
Dear All,

I am back, not for the challenge, but would like to share with you what I found on the Internet today. This is regarding the birth of a three-eyed baby in India on 2008 January 17. I believe this fulfills a prophecy of the Holy Spirit that I mentioned in my post earlier. I know that it is unnatural and unbelievable for a human being to be born with three eyes but I still mentioned it because it is one of the prophecies of the Holy Spirit that He told us.
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That's the thing about open-ended prophesies about physical deformities -- the likelihood that eventually, someone somewhere is born with a birth defect that seems to fit the bill is high. That's why we explained - at length and patiently -- why open-ended prophesies are not very convincing. Especially ones involving birth defects. It happens.

Now, if your medium could say, "on (specific date), in (specific village or locale name), a child will be born with (these specific features)," and if that happened in that place on that date with the aforementioned features, that would be impressive.

But she can't do that. She can only make prophesies about stuff that may be highly uncommon, but is nowhere near being impossible (like birth defects), or when she makes prophesies about extremely improbable events (like women giving birth to cats -- assuming she means ACTUAL CATS and not babies whose cleft palates make them look catlike) she has to make them open-ended so that they can't ever /not have happened/.

I really wish people who think they have an important spiritual message would stop with the amateurish acts. If the message is good, it doesn't need all that crap to make it legitimate, and it CERTAINLY won't take trying to scare people in order to get them to listen. Just put out the message, okay? Let it stand on its own.
 
Blackwell said:
Since this doesn't relate to your challenge, maybe a mod could be kind enough to move this to the appropriate section.
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I'm letting this one stand for now, only due to this sentence:

PeaceCrusader said:
I believe this fulfills a prophecy of the Holy Spirit that I mentioned in my post earlier.
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However, future posts like this will result in the posts, and possibly the thread, being moved to General Paranormal unless there is evidence that a challenge application is forthcoming.
 
PC earlier when quizzed about this deformed baby you had certain expectations about how the prophesy would be fullfilled. You were given the example of Bill Durks, and common deformities after the Bhopal Disaster. It was suggested that the prediction had already happened multiple time before it was made and would most likely happen again.

This was your description of how the prophesy's fullfillment wold be different.

PeaceCrusader said:
I believe that the human babies prophesied to be born with three eyes may have normal features except that there is an extra eye. I do not know where it would be located but I assume that it would be in the forehead. I believe that all eyes will be functional.
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Now I see you're back again with a story of an unfortunate baby with the same deformity as the afore mentioned Bill Durks... frontonasal dysplasia also known as median cleft syndrome.

PeaceCrusader said:
Dear All,

I am back, not for the challenge, but would like to share with you what I found on the Internet today. This is regarding the birth of a three-eyed baby in India on 2008 January 17. I believe this fulfills a prophecy of the Holy Spirit that I mentioned in my post earlier. I know that it is unnatural and unbelievable for a human being to be born with three eyes
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On the contrary you already know that this is not only believeable but an established occurence.


PeaceCrusader said:
By IANS,
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PeaceCrusader said:
[RxPG] Ranchi, Jan 17 - A girl born with three eyes and two noses has been attracting hordes of people who believe her to be an incarnation of Hindu god Shiva.

The birth of the 'wonder girl' in Angara block of Ranchi created quite a stir last week with villagers queuing up for a glimpse of the baby.

'People from far-flung areas are coming for a glimpse of my daughter. Why has god played such a cruel joke with me by giving me a daughter with abnormal features,' rued Sukhlal Mahto, the girl's father.

Though her two eyes appear to be normal, she has a third eye in the middle of two noses. But she has not opened her third eye yet, Shuklal said.
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You'll note that, the deformity takes the form that I described as happening many times before and would be likely to happen again.

Now you will note that the eye is not in the middle of the forehead as you supposed, you'll note that she has two noses when you expected babies born with this deformity would have otherwise normal features. You'll note that the third eye has not opened yet. I strongly suspect that in keeping with other examples of median cleft syndrome it is unlikey that the third eye will be functional. Do you still believe that a fully functioning third eye will be a requirement for accepting this as fullfillment of this prophesy. You spoke not of a single baby but of babies, plural. If your see no increase in the frequency of three eyed babies then will you stop believing that this is fullfillment of the prophesy?

What has caused to to change your expectations as to how this prophesy would be fullfilled. If you do now believe that a single occurence of median cleft sysntrome can fullfill this prophesy, do you now accept that fullfillment was inevitable?

I wonder if one of the pubmed subscribers to this forum could look up the frequency of this syndrome.
 
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