[Merged]Atheism is a really bogus philosophy

Evolution well explained, from the beginning.

Tricky said:
I've recently been re-reading the novel "Earth" by David Brin. It is a sci-fi book about the near-future with some fascinating projections and tons of real science, in addition to the fantasy of a micro black hole dropped into the center of the planet. Great space opera. But one of the best things about it is the intros to the chapter which are a collection of media-like news blurbs, legends, statistics and scientific prose. The scientific prose is great. Allow me to share one with you.
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A good description. However, it is not clear how this can take place in 6000 years - it seems it would take a great deal longer. ;)
 
Tricky said:
You probably just read the recipe wrong. Maybe you didn't set the supervolcano to maximum or sumpin.:D
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Sumpin indeed

Try removing the tin foil!

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bwinwright said:
:)Trickey, you are definitely extremely intelligent. Nobody can string together such an amazing array of words as you just have and not be Mensa material. However, the universe and all the life within it is just too orderly and fantastic to seriously believe it all just happened by luck.

Trickey, this ineffable omnipresence, of which everything consists, including you and me, is just so sophisticated and complex, light years beyond our little limited conscious minds's ability to comprehend, it must be giggling at us right now. We are here doing exactly what we are doing right now for not only our amusement, but for ITS' amusement. We are among the more entertaining too, I'll bet.

Imagine a big brained dude like Albert Einstein devoting the last 30 years of his life to trying his best to prove that everything is UNIFIED. Hell, he couldn't quite get it done. However, he just knew it was so. Damn!

When we get a chance to talk with him, perhaps, we can ask him about it. I think he'll say, "Damn that ineffable oneness is some kind of smart."
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Well, I have been in a few orderly hurricanes--including a Cat 4--and I felt unlucky and absolutely no intelligent presence providing any order. Probably not much intelligence in Tsunamis, earthquakes or tornadoes either. I would have skipped those as they are randomly cruel.

Now, plutonium is pretty cool, but we really didn't need that either--uranium is easier to handle and works fine to make electricity--but we didn't need them to have the ability to make nuclear weapons.

A few other things I would have skipped...but you get the point.

glenn
 
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bwinwright said:
:)Imagine a big brained dude like Albert Einstein devoting the last 30 years of his life to trying his best to prove that everything is UNIFIED. Hell, he couldn't quite get it done. However, he just knew it was so. Damn!

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Now imagine a small-brained dude contemplating duality. If the thought resonates, go with it.
 
Tricky said:
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In the universe, a light year is practically nothing. Light from the nearest star in our galaxy takes 17 years to reach us. Think how long the ones in other galaxies take.
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I thought it was roughly eight minutes :eye-poppi

/sorry nit picky
// or is the sun NOT in our galaxy???
 
Tricky said:
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LOL. Interesting analogy. In the universe, a light year is practically nothing. Light from the nearest star in our galaxy takes 17 years to reach us. Think how long the ones in other galaxies take.

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[nitpick]The nearest star-not our sun-is about 4.3 light-years away. Nearest spiral galaxy, Andromeda is about 2.5 million light-years away...and headed toward us. [/nitpick]

cool website: http://www.atlasoftheuniverse.com/


glenn
 
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Hindmost said:
[nitpick]The nearest star-not our sun-is about 4.3 light-years away. Nearest spiral galaxy, Andromeda is about 2.5 million light-years away...and headed toward us. [/nitpick]

cool website: http://www.atlasoftheuniverse.com/
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Mia culpa on my bad astronomy (no relation to Phil Plait).

And yeah, that really is a cool site. Here's some really big numbers from that site:


Number of stars within 100 million light years = 200 trillion
Number of large galaxies within 1 billion light years = 3 million
Number of stars in the visible universe = 30 billion trillion (30,000,000,000,000,000,000,000)


So, lots and lots of chances. Lots and lots of time. It would be unbefreakinglievable if something didn't roll a yahtzee with those odds.

And take a look at this map of the universe. Does that look ordered to anybody?

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How about something with intelligence making something chaotic and totally nonsensical?

I would submit that old E.T. Atari game. What a load of trash that was...
 
Tricky said:
Mia culpa on my bad astronomy (no relation to Phil Plait).

And yeah, that really is a cool site. Here's some really big numbers from that site:


Number of stars within 100 million light years = 200 trillion
Number of large galaxies within 1 billion light years = 3 million
Number of stars in the visible universe = 30 billion trillion (30,000,000,000,000,000,000,000)


So, lots and lots of chances. Lots and lots of time. It would be unbefreakinglievable if something didn't roll a yahtzee with those odds.

And take a look at this map of the universe. Does that look ordered to anybody?

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Well obviously! Everything is neatly labeled, and it all fits perfectly within a circle. Something with intelligence obviously did that.
 
Tricky said:
And take a look at this map of the universe. Does that look ordered to anybody?
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Well, I ordered one just like it, but I've got a crabby waiter and he's taking his time.


More to the thread, I really don't get the attitude of, "What I don't understand, nobody can understand."

bwinwright, have you ever studied modern physics (Relativity, Quantum Theory, etc.), modern biology (genetics, evolution, etc.), or any mathematics beyond high school?

I ask not to embarrass, but because I truly wonder how someone who hasn't studied what's actually known -- that is, who's apparently unaware of what science has learned -- has the temerity to declare what cannot be known.


P.S. I can suggest a few truly wonderful books to get you started, if you like.
 
Tricky said:
Mia culpa on my bad astronomy (no relation to Phil Plait).

And yeah, that really is a cool site. Here's some really big numbers from that site:


Number of stars within 100 million light years = 200 trillion
Number of large galaxies within 1 billion light years = 3 million
Number of stars in the visible universe = 30 billion trillion (30,000,000,000,000,000,000,000)


So, lots and lots of chances. Lots and lots of time. It would be unbefreakinglievable if something didn't roll a yahtzee with those odds.

And take a look at this map of the universe. Does that look ordered to anybody?

http://www.atlasoftheuniverse.com/supercls.gif
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I do love that website...used to show it to my students when I was teaching--helps them get a grip on reality for a few minutes. Anyhow, what is really cool--if you look as the cosmic background radiation--where the dark/cooler spots are--and the locations of the superclusters of galaxies, they line up.

glenn
 
Perhaps I missed something. At one point, bwinwright challenged us to give an example of order appearing without intelligent assistance, and, moreover, claimed to turn atheist if such an example could be shown.

Multiple answers are possible, but I especially liked the snowflake.

So what happened to the promise to become an atheist? Does bwinwright dispute that a snowflake satisfies the challenge? If so, how? Is it not highly ordered? It certainly does not require intelligence to form (there is a perfectly legitimate scientific explanation). Therefore, I can't understand what the basis for denying it would be.

As far as I can tell, the only response has been to change the subject.
 
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