Micro Spheres in world trade center dust solved.

[lapman]

Lapman:

Dr. Jones has sent me some EDS spectra of WTC dust but I have agreed not to discuss them on a public forum such as this so I will keep my word...

Ok. I can respect that. Can you say whether or not he is wrong as you originally claimed based on what you've seen?

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

Ok. I can respect that. Can you say whether or not he is wrong as you originally claimed based on what you've seen?

Dr. Greening has already said he can not discuss the data, that is it.
If you read the post in this thread though you might get an incite into what he thinks I will only discuss the data that Dr. Jones has already published as well.

 

[T.A.M.]

You know I respect the "keeping quiet" out of respect for his request...that is not the issue.

The issue, in my opinion, is his (Jones) DELIBERATE refusal to make his samples and data PUBLIC for INDEPENDENT scrutiny with resulting refutation OR confirmation of his findings.

And yes, I am aware that such things go on, but I am also aware of how WEAK any conclusions produced from such FLAWED science are.

Can any one, ANY ONE, give me one GOOD, VALID reason why Jones would continue to keep his samples private and unexposed to independent analysis? If his findings are legitimate, would not an independent analysis confirming them be THE BEST THING THAT COULD EVER HAPPEN TO THE TRUTH MOVEMENT???

TAM

 

[lapman]

You know I respect the "keeping quiet" out of respect for his request...that is not the issue.

The issue, in my opinion, is his (Jones) DELIBERATE refusal to make his samples and data PUBLIC for INDEPENDENT scrutiny with resulting refutation OR confirmation of his findings.

And yes, I am aware that such things go on, but I am also aware of how WEAK any conclusions produced from such FLAWED science are.

Can any one, ANY ONE, give me one GOOD, VALID reason why Jones would continue to keep his samples private and unexposed to independent analysis? If his findings are legitimate, would not an independent analysis confirming them be THE BEST THING THAT COULD EVER HAPPEN TO THE TRUTH MOVEMENT???

TAM

Especially since that is the very thing the twoofers are DEMANDING of the government.

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

You know I respect the "keeping quiet" out of respect for his request...that is not the issue.

The issue, in my opinion, is his (Jones) DELIBERATE refusal to make his samples and data PUBLIC for INDEPENDENT scrutiny with resulting refutation OR confirmation of his findings.

And yes, I am aware that such things go on, but I am also aware of how WEAK any conclusions produced from such FLAWED science are.

Can any one, ANY ONE, give me one GOOD, VALID reason why Jones would continue to keep his samples private and unexposed to independent analysis? If his findings are legitimate, would not an independent analysis confirming them be THE BEST THING THAT COULD EVER HAPPEN TO THE TRUTH MOVEMENT???

TAM

It is a publication issue, the material must not be made available before publication.
If published it will be available though the publication, Dr. Greening is also I believe thinking of doing a publication, so some of his evidence as well can not be released.
My work will probably not be published so I do not think it matters that much.

 

[T.A.M.]

I am assuming you mean publishing in JONES?

or are we to believe that S. Jones has actually managed to get his "scientific paper" in a real journal?

If he is waiting for publication in a legitimate journal prior to releasing his samples for independent analysis, we will likely NEVER see the samples scrutinized.

TAM

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

I am assuming you mean publishing in JONES?

or are we to believe that S. Jones has actually managed to get his "scientific paper" in a real journal?

If he is waiting for publication in a legitimate journal prior to releasing his samples for independent analysis, we will likely NEVER see the samples scrutinized.

TAM

That is not for me to decide or discuss right now, Dr. Jones has the sample what he does with them is up to him.
I welcome it if he can publish the data, if he can not well then our jobs as shills will be secure into the next Milena.

 

[T.A.M.]

you are right...totally.

I am simply calling it as I see it, which is that in my opinion, he is being an intellectual coward, and is a disgrace to the scientific process. Given the gigantic hole he has gotten himself into with this, I see how he has devolved this way. One can always hope something pulls him back...

TAM

 

[Max Photon]

Ag in the WTCs' aluminum cladding

Max:

Well you might be on to something: there were 43,000 aluminum "curtain-wall" panels and 43,000 bronzed-glass windows. (Source: Engineering News Record, Nov 1970)

Ah yes, 43,000...the mark of the Christians.


43,000 panels x 100lbs/panel x 0.3% Ag = 12,900 lbs Ag = 188,126 troy ounces, or 40% of my first calculation of 472,676 oz.


You know (and I'm sure you do) the variety of industrial applications of the stuff is pretty impressive.

 

[pomeroo]

You know I respect the "keeping quiet" out of respect for his request...that is not the issue.

The issue, in my opinion, is his (Jones) DELIBERATE refusal to make his samples and data PUBLIC for INDEPENDENT scrutiny with resulting refutation OR confirmation of his findings.

And yes, I am aware that such things go on, but I am also aware of how WEAK any conclusions produced from such FLAWED science are.

Can any one, ANY ONE, give me one GOOD, VALID reason why Jones would continue to keep his samples private and unexposed to independent analysis? If his findings are legitimate, would not an independent analysis confirming them be THE BEST THING THAT COULD EVER HAPPEN TO THE TRUTH MOVEMENT???

TAM

TAM, do you think that if Jones's dust samples actually showed something helpful to the fantasists he would have made his findings public?

 

[T.A.M.]

I think that if Jones REALLY had something, a smoking gun instead of smoke and mirror snake oil, he would not only be submitting it to every journal in the world, but he would have many more scientists backing up his data, and YES, he would make his findings PUBLIC.

The way he is playing this, I would wager a large sum of money that HE ACTUALLY KNOWS HIMSELF, that his dust samples show nothing unexpected, and nothing indicative of thermite.

Hence the reason he is moving on to Chips and Dip.

TAM

 

[Apollo20]

Chips and Dip?

You know we used to call waste nuclear fuel "fission chips"!

 

[Unsecured Coins]

Ah yes, 43,000...the mark of the Christians.

Close. That's 144,000. You were only off by 101,000.

 

[ElMondoHummus]

Chips and Dip?

You know we used to call waste nuclear fuel "fission chips"!

So what was the di...

Well wait... come to think of it, I really don't wanna know...

 

[Apollo20]

Perhaps Jones is simply being very careful and following in the foot steps of NIST:

"I'll trade you my microsphere report for your WTC 7 report".

I can tell you this, however, that I have not seen enough data from Dr. Jones to carry out any scientific assessment of the origin of the WTC microspheres.

But on the other hand Jones is not obliged to show me anything!

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

Perhaps Jones is simply being very careful and following in the foot steps of NIST:

"I'll trade you my microsphere report for your WTC 7 report".

I can tell you this, however, that I have not seen enough data from Dr. Jones to carry out any scientific assessment of the origin of the WTC microspheres.

But on the other hand Jones is not obliged to show me anything!

Agreed it is basicly up to Dr. Jones now, and he is not obliged to share anything.
As we are not obliged to share anything, we have worked on.

 

[MIKILLINI]

Ah yes, 43,000...the mark of the christians.

The mark of the christians? Gee Maxthermite, aren't you a bit off on that one?

I'm not waiting with any kind of anticipation for Jones report.
It's as you say CC, you're not obliged to share anything and continue to work on.
Jones just shares with peer twoofers, not debunkers.

 

[tsig]

Fascinating!

Until just yesterday, silver was the primary money used in the world. Even the US dollar - the real dollar - you know, 371.25 grains of fine silver - was designed to mirror the Spanish Piece of Eight.

Advances in extracting gold from ore has caused a fundamental market switch from silver to gold, moving silver to a secondary monetary role. (Actually, a better way to think of gold and silver is as serving as money at polar ends of the human scale - gold for nations buying continents - silver for the cobbler saving that day's profit - a lovely silver dime.)

Silver is indeed still money in the true, multi-layered definition of money, and silver supports a system of silver-backed credit, but it now also gets pulled by submarginal uses or attractors - such as covering the financial centers with - well - money.

That the towers were clad in silver is direct evidence of the gradual, spontaneous market demonetization of silver in favor of gold!


So now I'd love to figure out how much silver was in the towers' facade. Do you or does anyone know the thickness of the cladding?


Max

Why not do some work yourself?

 

[tsig]

That is exactly what I have been witnessing, in experiments the fires heat would have been hottest around the ceiling where the heat and hot gasses would have collected.

I have even seen trusses momentarily ignite.

Thanks for reality.

 

[T.A.M.]

Of course Jones can keep it to himself...

Just as the man at the roadside stand can claim his "magical oil" cures all, but on the bottle there is no ingredients list. In his pocket there is no paper proving his "medicine" works, and why...its "magic".

Would you buy the snake oil, swallow it down so readily as the truthers swallow the "magical" WTC Dust?

He can do what he likes, but mentioning the dust, and discussing it is completely ridiculous, if we are simply to take Jones' word for it, and nothing more.

TAM