Johnny come lately?

[Boone 870]

Has anyone seen this yet?http://www.rense.com/general80/comprooms.htm

Christopher Bollyn article on Rense.com regarding the UPS batteries in World Trade Center one and two.

I must admit that I didn't read it carefully, radio control homing devices make me sleepy.

 

[Gravy]

"[SIZE=+1]Molten iron was blown out of the tower when the explosives went off."

Bollyn's my favorite fugitive Nazi.

It has been proposed that UPS batteries were a source of the molten metal dripping from the NE corner of the south tower, but I tend to think that aluminum is more likely, simply because there was so much of it there.
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[gumboot]

To be honest I think the most likely source of the "molten metal" dripping from the NE corner is molten glass.

-Gumboot

 

[ElMondoHummus]

Oh, jeez, I lost count of the brain cells lost reading that article.

He had confirmed my primary suspicion, i.e. that the plane that struck the north tower appears to have been "homed in" or targeted on a secure computer center on the 95th floor ­ exactly like the plane that struck the south tower some 16 minutes later.

Texas Sharpshooter fallacy, anyone?

While we know that the Fuji Bank was the tenant on floors 79-82 of WTC 2, the NIST report fails to describe the "tenant layout" of floors 79, 81, and 82.

Since when are they supposed to?

So, what really was on the 81st floor of WTC 2? What was in these heavy "battery-looking things?" Were they batteries, or were they Thermite?

So, all the thermite was on the 81st floor? What the hell'd the NWO use to sever the supports below then?

I can't take it anymore. Someone else do a point-by-point. I've already done enough mental damage to myself by reading yet another stupid Rense article.

 

[Sizzler]

"[SIZE=+1]Molten iron was blown out of the tower when the explosives went off."

Bollyn's my favorite fugitive Nazi.

It has been proposed that UPS batteries were a source of the molten metal dripping from the NE corner of the south tower, but I tend to think that aluminum is more likely, simply because there was so much of it there.
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Gravy, why do you think it was aluminum?

NIST said the color was due to particles of other matter mixing in with the luquid aluminum. Glass, carpet, wood chips, etc. That gave it the observed color.

I heard Jones attempted to duplicate this by mixing small particle in with molten aluminum. he was unable to produce the observed color. The aluminum poored grey and the materials would not mix. I also heard a NIST employee (?!?) tried with Jones and was shocked that he was unable to do it too.

but I have an idea;

What about red hot steel mixed with molten aluminum, crushed gypsum board and a good gust of wind?

That would explain observed molten steel/iron, microspheres, and "thermate like" by products.

I'm sure someone could test that out quite easily actually.

 

[beachnut]

Gravy, why do you think it was aluminum?

NIST said the color was due to particles of other matter mixing in with the luquid aluminum. Glass, carpet, wood chips, etc. That gave it the observed color.

I heard Jones attempted to duplicate this by mixing small particle in with molten aluminum. he was unable to produce the observed color. The aluminum poored grey and the materials would not mix. I also heard a NIST employee (?!?) tried with Jones and was shocked that he was unable to do it too.

but I have an idea;

What about red hot steel mixed with molten aluminum, crushed gypsum board and a good gust of wind?

That would explain observed molten steel/iron, microspheres, and "thermate like" by products.

I'm sure someone could test that out quite easily actually.

Jones is incompetent and unable to get anything right. Remember he made up thermite out of the blue 4 years after 9/11, now he makes up a new lie to keep his fantasy alive. But if you want, a lot of dumb people believe Jones' ideas. So do not feel alone.

Who was the NIST employee?

Have you done the experiment?

What happen to the Oxygen generators on the JETS? There are a lot of these on all planes, what did these do on 9/11?

 

[Gravy]

Gravy, why do you think it was aluminum?

Because there was a great deal of aluminum piled up there, because the temperature was high enough to melt aluminum and make it glow but almost certainly not high enough to melt structural steel (and if it were high enough to melt steel it would have melted all the aluminum around long before), because the material turned silvery as it fell, which steel doesn't do, and because a good deal of formerly molten aluminum was found at the site, some of which appeared to have cooled in mid-air. I've held such pieces in my hands.

 

[gumboot]

Because there was a great deal of aluminum piled up there, because the temperature was high enough to melt aluminum and make it glow but almost certainly not high enough to melt structural steel (and if it were high enough to melt steel it would have melted all the aluminum around long before), because the material turned silvery as it fell, which steel doesn't do, and because a good deal of formerly molten aluminum was found at the site, some of which appeared to have cooled in mid-air. I've held such pieces in my hands.

The only problem with it being just aluminium is that the colour is wrong.

-Gumboot

 

[uk_dave]

I heard Jones attempted to duplicate this by mixing small particle in with molten aluminum. he was unable to produce the observed color.

Not really in his interests to either

The aluminum poored grey and the materials would not mix. I also heard a NIST employee (?!?) tried with Jones and was shocked that he was unable to do it too.

I'm fairly certain that many professionals and academics who witness Jones' 9-11 studies would express shock and surprise. Just not for the reasons he would like to think.

I'm sure someone could test that out quite easily actually.

Well, there's your weekend project.

 

[Mangoose]

Didn't look silvery to me when it fell.

Problem with glass is that this was the location (near?) where the debris of Flight 175 exploded out the building. Shouldn't the glass have been blown away? Also there were plenty of other locations where the fire burned very hotly in the two towers, but no other instances of molten ???? dripping out. I think it had something peculiar to do with that location. Plane debris is one possibility, the UPS batteries maybe another.

 

[gumboot]

Didn't look silvery to me when it fell.

Problem with glass is that this was the location (near?) where the debris of Flight 175 exploded out the building. Shouldn't the glass have been blown away? Also there were plenty of other locations where the fire burned very hotly in the two towers, but no other instances of molten ???? dripping out.

All we know is that we're not aware of any other instances of something molten dripping from the tower. That doesn't mean it didn't happen. We know that hundreds of people leaped from the towers, yet there is very little video footage of this happening. Any small object or objects falling from the towers would only register on video if:

A) It was quite a tightly framed shot
or
B) The camera was running at a very high shutter speed

While glass in the immediate impact floors would be smashed clear, that's not necessarily the case for glass several floors above where the aircraft hit. As debris burned in the corner and the fires and heat rose upwards, the glass panes above the impact point would be exposed to the heat.

-Gumboot

 

[Gravy]

The only problem with it being just aluminium is that the colour is wrong.

I have no doubt that other material was entrained, but why is the color wrong for aluminum?

Didn't look silvery to me when it fell.

Not when it first comes out and it's glowing, but farther down, when it's cooling. Seems to cool quite quickly, and seems silvery.

 

[gumboot]

I have no doubt that other material was entrained, but why is the color wrong for aluminum?

Aluminium has a very low incandescence, so although it would give off yellowy blackbody radiation at around 1,000 degrees C you would be unlikely to be able to see it in direct sunlight, much less captured on video.

-Gumboot

 

[beachnut]

Aluminium has a very low incandescence, so although it would give off yellowy blackbody radiation at around 1,000 degrees C you would be unlikely to be able to see it in direct sunlight, much less captured on video.

-Gumboot

It was wood. Sorry, I have been holding out!

Do not pay attention to the white thermite flame at the top.

 

[T.A.M.]

Sizzler:

Did you actually watch the videos of S. Jones alleged "experiments" to test the aluminum + Contaminants Theory?

He took a pot full of molten aluminum and added a handful of wood chips.

Yes that sounds like an experiment carefully designed to mimic what may have contaminated the aluminum at the WTC doesn't it?

TAM

 

[Sizzler]

Sizzler:

Did you actually watch the videos of S. Jones alleged "experiments" to test the aluminum + Contaminants Theory?

He took a pot full of molten aluminum and added a handful of wood chips.

Yes that sounds like an experiment carefully designed to mimic what may have contaminated the aluminum at the WTC doesn't it?

TAM

i've seen the video and read the report.

more than wood chips were added.

can you find me a video or a report of someone successfully mixing materials into molten aluminum such that it glows orange when poured in daylight?

Jones is the only one i am aware of that has even tried to do this.

Why do people deny molen steel/iron anyway? JOM and FEMA reported intergranular melting of steel due to a lowered melting point because of the presence of sulfur (1000degrees C). It is recorded in the official report done by FEMA.

Why the denial when JOM and FEMA cleary report that it happened?

The denial of molten steel/iron is so silly.

Why do debunkers claim no steel melted when we cleary know that certain pieces of steel that were preserved were turned to "swiss cheese".

Are both sides guilty of disinformation?

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

Did anyone try mixing the Aluminum below the oxide layer, with other materials such as aluminum silicate, or ferris dusts, or other compounds that can only be induced into the aluminum under the oxide layer by very forceful impact?
You know you can not just stir the stuff in under the oxide layer do you not?
The oxide layer is the problem to getting aluminum to both flow and glow, forceful impacts can overcome that do to forming inclusions.
Under the oxide layer.

 

[e^n]

Why do people deny molen steel/iron anyway? JOM and FEMA reported intergranular melting of steel due to a lowered melting point because of the presence of sulfur (1000degrees C). It is recorded in the official report done by FEMA.

Why the denial when JOM and FEMA cleary report that it happened?

It happened in the rubble pile, and 'molten steel' is actually used as evidence that temperatures above what an office fire is capable of achieving were seen. Unfortunately the sulfidation occured at around 1000C which is well within office fire range.

The denial of molten steel/iron is so silly.

Why do debunkers claim no steel melted when we cleary know that certain pieces of steel that were preserved were turned to "swiss cheese".

To be fair this steel hardly melted, it's structure was broken down by sulfur but I doubt it ever became molten.

 

[Par]

can you find me a video or a report of someone successfully mixing materials into molten aluminum such that it glows orange when poured in daylight?

That’s a rather narrow request. In any event, here is some pure aluminium glowing when poured in daylight.

http://www.metalwebnews.com/howto/furnace2/melting.html

 

[Par]

Why do people deny molen steel/iron anyway? JOM and FEMA reported intergranular melting of steel due to a lowered melting point because of the presence of sulfur (1000degrees C). It is recorded in the official report done by FEMA.... Why do debunkers claim no steel melted when we cleary know that certain pieces of steel that were preserved were turned to "swiss cheese".

As I understand it, the corrosion exhibited by certain structural steel members is entirely compatible with the aircraft/damage/fire explanations for the collapses.