Intelligent Evolution?

[fishkr]

A lot of the muddle in this thread would be avoided by not confusing the metaphysical with the conventional. Doing so is what A.N. Whitehead called, "The fallacy of misplaced concreteness.".

From "Process and Reality"?

 

[Herzblut]

Perfectly spoken.

Where's the bottom, where's the top?

 

[fishkr]

Buddhism agknowleges the experiential ego, but finds no metaphysical reality to it. It's like a rainbow. When you know what a rainbow really is, you know it's not really there.

All of the Material is a rainbow. Composed of space, force, sparks and motes of mass, all obeying the most subtle of rules, as if a whisper can amount to everything said.

 

[President Bush]

From the point of view of information (not the thing it codes for), it's the same. Information that is good at getting itself replicated drives evolution. This is true whether the information is in genes or recipes or directions or blueprints etc.

Did you really have to say recipes?

 

[Apathia]

From "Process and Reality"?

It's been over thirty years!
But what a friend we have in Google!
See Whitehead, Science and the Modern World, Macmillan, 1925, ch. 3, esp. pp. 75 and 77; Free Press pp. 51 and 52.

 

[Apathia]

All of the material is a rainbow. Composed of space, force, sparks and motes of mass, all obeying the most subtle of rules, as if a whisper can amount to everything said.

There's no rainbow apart from the observation of one. So no place to put a fantasy pot of gold.

 

[fishkr]

It's been over thirty years!
But what a friend we have in Google!
See Whitehead, Science and the Modern World, Macmillan, 1925, ch. 3, esp. pp. 75 and 77; Free Press pp. 51 and 52.

Don't have to, have my 1978 edition in front of me as I write. Can't find the quote though.

 

[fishkr]

Did you really have to say recipes?

Would you like to see my recipe for Creationist Fricasee?

Take one Creationist:

First, remove liver, spleen, brains and balls (if applicable), discard in a very small recepticle.

For best results, throw the rest away and use more evolved material for cooking.

 

[President Bush]

Would you like to see my recipe for Creationist Fricasee?

Take one Creationist:

First, remove liver, spleen, brains and balls (if applicable), discard in a very small recepticle.

For best results, throw the rest away and use more evolved material for cooking.

Yup, no more cannibals here... we ate the last one on Wednesday.

 

[fishkr]

. . . and hopefully, as would be the custom, you saved the last of the remains for mounting.

 

[President Bush]

. . . and hopefully, as would be the custom, you saved the last of the remains for mounting.

Far as I know there isn't any US federal legislation specifically addressing this. Different states have their own laws.

 

[fishkr]

Far as I know there isn't any US federal legislation specifically addressing this. Different states have their own laws.

Tell us about Texas. Ain't it a whole nuther country?

 

[President Bush]

Tell us about Texas. Ain't it a whole nuther country?

In Midland they say you're alright long as you just dig down to but don't actually open the vault...

Rest of the state is pretty much like a bunch of Mexicans on their way to Oklahoma.

 

[fishkr]

It's been over thirty years!
But what a friend we have in Google!
See Whitehead, Science and the Modern World, Macmillan, 1925, ch. 3, esp. pp. 75 and 77; Free Press pp. 51 and 52.

Alas, all I have from Whitehead is Process and Reality, (Corrected Edition) Free Press, 1978. Essays from much of the same material and lectures, I think.

Brilliant guy.

 

[fishkr]

In Midland they say you're alright long as you just dig down to but don't actually open the vault...

Rest of the state is pretty much like a bunch of Mexicans on their way to Oklahoma.

In Midland they say you're alright long as you just dig down to but don't actually open the vault...

Rest of the state is pretty much like a bunch of Mexicans on their way to Oklahoma.

Oh that's juss your snobby ass Yale thing tawkin. Less get back to the subjec at hand, y'all. Sumpin bout cookin up some nice recipies?

 

[President Bush]

Oh that's juss your snobby ass Yale thing tawkin. Less get back to the subjec at hand, y'all. Sumpin bout cookin up some nice recipies?

If this ain't it'll do 'til sumpin' ta eat gets here.

 

[fishkr]

If this ain't it'll do 'til sumpin' ta eat gets here.

Zit true that in Texas a "dubble blind" study is 4 hunters in 2 blinds on 1 acre a corn and no deer?

 

[Southwind17]

You are still missing that the kind and method of the information passing are what differ between the two processes and therefore render the analogy invalid.

Mijo - you're going to have to try much harder than simply repeating generalist statements if you wish to earn at least a modicum of respect for your views, even if those views are largely, if not completely, misguided.

 

[cyborg]

EDIT: This is a serious question. I simply don't have an answer. Why is it, of all species, the giraffe (and its predecessor) which has developed such a long neck?

Having a longer neck doesn't help if you're not in a position to use it.

If you don't develop a longer neck you certainly don't get an opportunity to test it.

Given enough time the right mutations and being in the right place to use it organisms will evolve to occupy a niche.


The giraffe fulfilled these criteria.

Which word don't you understand?

The entire sentence.

 

[mijopaalmc]

Mijo - you're going to have to try much harder than simply repeating generalist statements if you wish to earn at least a modicum of respect for your views, even if those views are largely, if not completely, misguided.

I agree that humans can take evolutionary approaches to problems. However, these approaches are not the sum total of how technological development progresses. The fact that goal direction and systematic (rather than random) changes can be incorporated into technological development makes it different in its essence from biological evolution which cannot incorporate goal direction and systematic changes can be incorporated.