Bigfoot - The Patterson-Gimlin Film

[bruto]

Jeebus man, your NSA paranoia has reached epidemic proportions. Do you not know anything about the organization?

RayG

That's the wonderful thing about secret organizations. You can make up anything you want about them. Whatever you think you know about them is disinformation. All the real stuff is secret, right? Of course you know that already. It's in the secret NSA manual we were all issued.

 

[historian]

Jeebus man, your NSA paranoia has reached epidemic proportions. Do you not know anything about the organization?

RayG

Ray, Most common folk are incredibly naive about a lot of things.

If you think that Kitakaze, LTC8K6, Dfoot, Correa Neto, madurob, Drewbot and/or Locknar are not being paid to be here and RELENTLESSLY post anti-bigfoot propaganda, then in my opinion you are naive. Please note that Dfoot has taken over for Kitakaze, who appears to have been reassigned, hopefully to Afghanistan water boarding Al-Qaida 24/7.

 

[Babylon Sister]

Ray, Most common folk are incredibly naive about a lot of things.

If you think that Kitakaze, LTC8K6, Dfoot, Correa Neto, madurob, Drewbot and/or Locknar are not being paid to be here and RELENTLESSLY post anti-bigfoot propaganda, then in my opinion you are naive. Please note that Dfoot has taken over for Kitakaze, who appears to have been reassigned, hopefully to Afghanistan water boarding Al-Qaida 24/7.

What color is the sky on your planet?

You are past the point of ridiculous.

 

[manofthesea]

Wow, interesting.

So the common use of a word has no meaning because you deifne it so narrowly. The fact that Disney used it in all forums and advertised it incessantly has no meaning.

Too bad, you seemed to be someone who would talk rather than just taunt.

Well, are we talking animal robotics, or animatronics? Animatronics is the term that was applied to the dinosaur exhibit on tour. They made a point of telling everyone how new and exciting this was. I went and saw it. It was okay. They could turn their heads and open their mouths. Let's be clear, concise, and correct in word usage.

I'm a pretty good kite flier. Should I call myself an expert in aeronautics now?

 

[manofthesea]

Wow are you really saying that or just insulting someone?

There is no obvious giganticism in North American mammals. Please do tell, did homo spaiens sapiens cause the extinction of the large megafauna of north america, like the camel?

Did you take offense to that? Has your families' girth doubled then?
Certainly there is gigantism. I pointed it out to CN. You're just a little late to the party.

 

[manofthesea]

Oh so you don't like the Bear Country Musical Travesty?

How about the Tiki Hut?

No comment.

I enjoyed thoroughly Splash Mountain. Kudos.

But like I said, I appreciate real animals much more. Like feeding the bears at Sequim.

 

[manofthesea]

Oh, Munns' ideas.

So far, he exposed arguments on why he thinks its unlikely that the patterns seen on Patty's hair or fur could have been made by Patterson and eventual colaborators. There are some weak points on his assesment. One of them is the standard analysis flaw many PGF defenders make. As in Meldrum's paper, I'll hold further comments untill I get a better view of the whole picture.

Dfoot's post, btw, generated the sort of emotional and without counter arguments answer that we are used (and expect) to see. Can't counter rhe arguments? Been caught with your pants down? Appeal to ad homs. If you are surrounded by an audience which shares your POVs, you might eventualy have the illusion you are doing well...

His critique was clear and concise. No personal bias. He made no mention of Meldrum.

From someone who regularly calls others dumb, uneducated, etc. it's absurd to hear you complain. You meet the definition of hypocrite, and bigot.

 

[manofthesea]

Oh, I'm pretty aware of that. I think Wiki is usually OK when it comes to trivia, however. As a guideline, I just post a refference for it after checking how good the entry is - even if is FX trivia. In this case, it's OK has links that may help some further research, if the reader is interested.

Some stuff there stink badly than a bigfoot...

Wiki has been an issue here in Hawaii. It was noted that the UH system made around 10,000 corrections per year on Wiki. When studied, it turned out to be just another platform for flame wars.

Note, wiki in Hawaiian means quick. Too quick, if you ask me.

 

[manofthesea]

Oh, Munns' ideas.

So far, he exposed arguments on why he thinks its unlikely that the patterns seen on Patty's hair or fur could have been made by Patterson and eventual colaborators. There are some weak points on his assesment. One of them is the standard analysis flaw many PGF defenders make.
l...

That's just an attack. No substance.

Maybe you need to present him with the fighting reptile evidence.

 

[manofthesea]

What color is the sky on your planet?

You are past the point of ridiculous.

Define sky.

 

[manofthesea]

Ray, Most common folk are incredibly naive about a lot of things.
.

I've worked with a lot of educated people. Civil engineers, electrical engineers, architects, computer specialists, personnel managers, etc.
I've met one who I would consider smart. Guess what? He's blackballed.

 

[manofthesea]

Wow, interesting.

Too bad, you seemed to be someone who would talk rather than just taunt.

I didn't get it at first. Good joke. It must be a joke. After all of the taunting, mocking, maligning, hatred, abuse, and derision directed at me, I really find this insulting.

Otherwise, I would say that you're slipping to the point of CN and KK.

BTW, donde es kk?

 

[Correa Neto]

You know who is the best anti-bigfoot propagandist?

Neal. His delusional claims are doing more to discredit bigfoot than anyone could ever think of!

Second best? Beckjord. But they are running pretty close!

 

[Correa Neto]

His critique was clear and concise. No personal bias. He made no mention of Meldrum.

That's just an attack. No substance.

It seems you have not understood what I wrote. I'll use a slightly different wording: I will, just as I did in the case of Meldrum's paper, hold further comments untill I get a better view of the whole picture. I spoke nothing about Munns' personal bias, the clarity of his text or that he mentioned Meldrum. I wrote that I think he made an error that is commited by many PGF defenders. Again, I will hold further comments untill I get a better view of all his arguments.

From someone who regularly calls others dumb, uneducated, etc. it's absurd to hear you complain. You meet the definition of hypocrite, and bigot.

Maybe you need to present him with the fighting reptile evidence.

Oh, look, another insult! And the worn-out "you are not brave enough line"!
You can provide some contribution to the debate or the above are examples of the best you can do?

BTW, if you suspect someone has a sockpuppet, please inform the mods. The puppeteer might be suspended or banned.

 

[erikbeckjord]

Atomic - There is a very good reason that JANOS claimed he didn't know where they could find a man big enough to fit that suit when he worked with guys the proposed height of Patty everyday. I'll bet you can guess the reason.

If you look at the outlined "patchwork" on Patty's upper arm here you can see the familiar work that could also be found on a certain someone's creature suits. Also, the same kneecap seen on Patty was used by this certain someone the entire time he worked with Wah and Chambers.

The attachment of the wrist that can be clearly seen matches the same lines used by this man on his bear suits. Bet you can guess why he was picked for the 1971 documentary of Olson/Patterson that later was edited together with the Robert Morgan adventure to become, "Bigfoot: Man or Beast". Not that Olson knew anything.... but the guy who recorded that approximation of a Bigfoot yell sure did. You know? Patterson's bucket cry that is now called the "Washington State recording of a Bigfoot". Seriously.

Good choice picking Janos as the expert there. It's like asking Clifford Irving Howard Hughes questions. He's sure to have a good answer no doubt.
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Also note the upside down shoulder muscle. Classic.

mangler - I hereby refer to you as a JREF Bigfooter. Exhibit your expertise at will.

manofthesea - I love Hawaii because you can be safe from the Sasquatch there - so I'm told. Although I've had a problem with things being stolen from the trunks of cars, that could happen on the mainland too. Of course, that could be Bigfoot related. I have no evidence that it's not.

Correa - There's plenty of info that's wrong on Wiki too. I only pray that there's nothing there about Dfoot being Dennett.

Since I've always said exactly who I was and what I did, being referred to as someone else immediately after mentioning this fact was pretty weird. But isn't that the way it usually goes with this stuff? Facts never seem to get in the way of stories. You have to appreciate it sometimes I suppose. It's amazing what people can convince themselves of.

Now I'm going to trot over to the BFF as I promised someone earlier today I would and post to Bill Munns some info. Hopefully I might save him from becoming the Krantz/Meldrum of the make-up community. Although he could sell some books and do some lecture tours about the impossible gait or something.

That would be something alright.

Reply: Note the coke bottle near the armpit.

part of Patterson's mind.


el M.

 

[erikbeckjord]

You know who is the best anti-bigfoot propagandist?

Neal. His delusional claims are doing more to discredit bigfoot than anyone could ever think of!

Second best? Beckjord. But they are running pretty close!

reply: they are anti F&B bigfoot----- something to subtle for you to grasp.

el M

 

[GT/CS]

reply: they are anti F&B bigfoot----- something to subtle for you to grasp.

el M

Do you mean, "....too subtle...."?

 

[AtomicMysteryMonster]

At 0:45-0:47 seconds into this video, you can see someone doing a pose not unlike a shot from the P/G footage. And look at those long arms! Warning: Said video contains views of a guy's spandex-clad junk.

 

[tube]

Reply: Note the coke bottle near the armpit.

The Coke is for feeding the baby, just like Britney Spears.

 

[Maldon]

You know who is the best anti-bigfoot propagandist?
Neal. His delusional claims are doing more to discredit bigfoot than anyone could ever think of!

Second best? BeckjoYou know who is the best anti-bigfoot propagandist?
rd. But they are running pretty close!

I don't think it's fair to exclude CreekFreak.
He earned his place among these guys