Why Flight 93?

[TheRedWorm]

Now how can I seriously prove what happened exactly in Shanksville....I am not the expert...All I can say is it does not really look like a large plane crashed there......

Ben

Ok, I was wrong to ask you for math, when you didn't claim to be an expert in the subject. For that I apologize. Now, and again I realize you are not an expert, but please explain to me what the crash should have looked like. A picture or a brief description would be fine. Thank You.

 

[PhantomWolf]

Now how can I seriously prove what happened exactly in Shanksville....I am not the expert...All I can say is it does not really look like a large plane crashed there......

Ben

Until you are, it doesn't matter if you think that it looks like a large plane crashed there or not because you don't have a clue what it should or shouldn't look like. The funny thing is that those that ARE experts all agree it does look like a large plane crashed there. Why should we accept your admitted ignorance over the experts whose job it is and has been to investigate air crashes?

 

[Slayhamlet]

ok i re read your post and see you meant only my 9/11 opinion is uneducated....But this is not true as I have read over 17 books on the topic....So I do know a bit about the event....I am not just pulling facts out of a hat.....I have resources....

Ben

And which 17 books were those? Have you ever considered that your resources might be flawed?

 

[wtcconspiracy]

Ok, I was wrong to ask you for math, when you didn't claim to be an expert in the subject. For that I apologize. Now, and again I realize you are not an expert, but please explain to me what the crash should have looked like. A picture or a brief description would be fine. Thank You.

whenever I have seen photos from airplane crashes there is just more debris from the plane....or more damage done to the ground......something catastrohpic happened there that day but there is no trace of it....

Ben

 

[Gravy]

I am not just pulling facts out of a hat.....

You can say that again. You haven't pulled a single fact out of anywhere. Educated people don't argue from incredulity. This forum is populated by critical thinkers. Shape up or ship out.

 

[Corsair 115]

whenever I have seen photos from airplane crashes there is just more debris from the plane....or more damage done to the ground......

You still haven't really answered the question: what do you think a high-speed crash into the ground should look like? And why do you think it should look like that? (Hopefully your reasons for thinking what it should look like will have more than Hollywood movies and TV shows as its base.)

 

[PhantomWolf]

whenever I have seen photos from airplane crashes there is just more debris from the plane....or more damage done to the ground......something catastrohpic happened there that day but there is no trace of it....

Ben

How many photos have you seen of planes which have crashed nose first in a steep upside down dive at over 500mph into soft earth?

 

[wtcconspiracy]

And which 17 books were those? Have you ever considered that your resources might be flawed?

I will provide a full list of books if needed but the include.....

The terror conspiracy .....Jim C. Marrs


Towers of deception ....Zwicker....

9/11 revealed.....Henshall Morgan


All Griffins books....

To name a few....I have more if you need the whole list....

Ben

 

[TheRedWorm]

whenever I have seen photos from airplane crashes there is just more debris from the plane....or more damage done to the ground......something catastrohpic happened there that day but there is no trace of it....

Ben

Well, i thank you for your input. I would like to point out, however, that a lot of debris was recovered from the crater. Perhaps someone with more handy resources can post you the relevant info. Also, did you consider that most aircraft incidents occur at slower speeds and shallower angles?

ETA: Corsair 115's post is also worth responding to.

 

[DGM]

whenever I have seen photos from airplane crashes there is just more debris from the plane....or more damage done to the ground......something catastrohpic happened there that day but there is no trace of it....

Ben

Except for the 95% of the plane that was returned to UAL.

 

[CptColumbo]

whenever I have seen photos from airplane crashes there is just more debris from the plane....or more damage done to the ground......something catastrohpic happened there that day but there is no trace of it....

Ben

So you have more experience than actual NTSB & FBI investigators? How many of those photos were of a crash similar to the one in Shanksville? Can you link to them?

 

[Gravy]

something catastrohpic happened there that day but there is no trace of it....

Ben

All the people who were there say you're completely wrong. Are they lying about what they saw, found, collected, and analyzed? Or are you misinformed?

I'll give you one guess. Go.

 

[CptColumbo]

I will provide a full list of books if needed but the include.....

The terror conspiracy .....Jim C. Marrs


Towers of deception ....Zwicker....

9/11 revealed.....Henshall Morgan


All Griffins books....

To name a few....I have more if you need the whole list....

Ben

So your reading list is restricted to the anti-established theory side of the equation. That's pretty closed minded.

 

[Gravy]

So your reading list is restricted to the anti-established theory side of the equation. That's pretty closed minded.

Anti-establishment is fine, if it's accurate. But that's not what those authors are when it comes to 9/11. They're incompetents and liars who get nothing right. Ben is getting his information from the worst possible sources. Only he knows why he's chosen a path of ignorance.

 

[PhantomWolf]

Except for the 95% of the plane that was returned to UAL.

and over 200 people spend 3 months walking about the area picking up all those pieces too. I guess if there really wasn't anything there they really had a 3 month holiday.

 

[PhantomWolf]

Of course I am still waiting for wtc to explain exactly how the crashsite should have looked, and why his uneducated viewing of a few random aircraft crash pictures outweights the onsite and careful investigation of those who do air crash investigation as a job.

 

[CptColumbo]

Anti-establishment is fine, if it's accurate. But that's not what those authors are when it comes to 9/11. They're incompetents and liars who get nothing right. Ben is getting his information from the worst possible sources. Only he knows why he's chosen a path of ignorance.

I was writing "anti-established theory" rather than using the "twoofer" popular "official story."

I have no problem reading about both sides of a story, and have.

 

[Gravy]

I was writing "anti-established theory" rather than using the "twoofer" popular "official story."

I have no problem reading about both sides of a story, and have.

Gotcha. Thanks for the correction. My mini-lecture was directed to Ben. I should have kept it out of your post.

 

[wtcconspiracy]

So your reading list is restricted to the anti-established theory side of the equation. That's pretty closed minded.

No its not. I have also read debunking 9/11 myths by popular mechanics. That book just wasnt very convincing. Anybody reccomend any other books.

Ben

 

[beachnut]

Now how can I seriously prove what happened exactly in Shanksville....I am not the expert...All I can say is it does not really look like a large plane crashed there...... Ben

You are wrong, it looks exactly how it should look when an aircraft hits at high speed! Exactly!

Sad, you have not really looked up anything on high speed aircraft impacts! If you had, you would know 93's impact is how it would look. So if you read so many books, you have failed to read the right books. If DRG wrote the book, it is false.

No its not. I have also read debunking 9/11 myths by popular mechanics. That book just wasnt very convincing. Anybody reccomend any other books. Ben

So what specific item did PM get wrong?