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Why Flight 93?

wtcconspiracy said:
ok whats with name calling i am not a fool

Ben
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What's with insulting the witnesses, the victims, their families, all the first responders and all the investigators? No-planers are fools of the first degree, Ben. Welcome to reality.
 
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Gravy said:
In any fast-moving event involving many witnesses, there will usually be some who didn't get a good look or don't have good vision or are mistaken for any number of reasons. That doesn't change the reality of the event. Again, Ben, this stuff is only difficult to understand if you want it to be. Your choice.
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could it not be that people who thought they saw a commercial jet liner really didnt then due to bad vision.....

Ben
 
Gravy said:
No-planers are fools of the first degree, Ben. Welcome to reality.
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OK I am not a no-planer....I saw a plane hit the towers.....just dont know about flight 11 or 175.....cant dispute what i saw on live tv though there was definatly A plane....

Ben
 
Wake up, chief: you're a no-planer. Despite all the evidence, you don't believe flight 93 crashed outside Shanksville. How much more foolish can you possibly get?
 
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wtcconspiracy said:
and that could be pulled off by an inexperienced pilot right....i just figure that he said he did it to impress people meaning its quite a hard thing to do in a large jetliner. Usually when something is done to impress it is a hard task to complete...am i right....
Ben
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I suspect that an inexperienced pilot would have less trouble getting the plane upside down, the hard part is getting it back right way up without crashing the thing, something the pilot of 93 failed to do.

By the way, whether you think that 93 crashed there or not, or whether you think it should have been upside down or not, the evidence does say that it was and it did. You are claiming that the crash site doesn't look right, thus you must know what a crash site of an upside down 757 travelling over 500mph should look like, else you can't claim that the Shanksville looks wrong. Since you obviously know what it should look like, please tell us, you seem to be avoiding doing so.

If however you don't know what it should look like, how can you claim that the Shanksville site is wrong?
 
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wtcconspiracy said:
ok again with the name calling.....one question....WHY.....How can you say I am uneducated....I have a belief of what i think happened....but I am educated honestly and that I can prove.....

Ben
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Can you prove it by answering this:

Please, using math, show us what is wrong with the Shanksville crash physics.
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Gravy said:
Wake up, chief: you're a no-planer. Despite all the evidence, you don't believe flight 93 crashed outside Shanksville. How much more foolish can you possibly get?
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I'd like to posit an answer, if you don't mind.

Answer:

 
wtcconspiracy said:
ok again with the name calling.....one question....WHY.....How can you say I am uneducated....I have a belief of what i think happened....but I am educated honestly and that I can prove.....

Ben
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I didn't say you were uneducated, Ben, nor did I call you a name. Please read my post again. Your opinion on whether flight 93 crashed in Shanksville, Pennsylvania on 9/11 is, however, very much uneducated and misinformed. You have not provided any reason to doubt it other than "I don't think so". That's not good enough, Ben. No aviation crash investigators agree with you. None.
 
Gravy said:
Wake up, chief: you're a no-planer. Despite all the evidence, you don't believe flight 93 crashed outside Shanksville. How much more foolish can you possibly get?
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I thought no planers believed there was no planes...hence the name....I just dont believe it was the flights we were told it was....And please stop calling me foolish.....

Ben
 
wtcconspiracy said:
what about the witnsses who saw the plane being chased by military jets.....or the people who saw a smally exec jet fly over there mini van......

Ben
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What about them? Who cares, really? They found over 90% of the plane in the hole, remains of passengers in the hole. The eyewitness accounts mean nothing without other evidence to counter this. Any speculation by you or others is meaningless when faced with this.

Come on, dude. That's just silly.
 
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I didn't say you were uneducated, Ben, nor did I call you a name. Please read my post again. Your opinion on whether flight 93 crashed in Shanksville, Pennsylvania on 9/11 is, however, very much uneducated and misinformed. You have not provided any reason to doubt it other than "I don't think so". That's not good enough, Ben. No aviation crash investigators agree with you. None.
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ok i re read your post and see you meant only my 9/11 opinion is uneducated....But this is not true as I have read over 17 books on the topic....So I do know a bit about the event....I am not just pulling facts out of a hat.....I have resources....

Ben
 
wtcconspiracy said:
I thought no planers believed there was no planes...hence the name....I just dont believe it was the flights we were told it was....And please stop calling me foolish.....

Ben
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YOU insult the victims, their families, the people who collected and identified their remains, and all the witnesses, first responders, and investigators, and YOU want to be treated with kid gloves?

Absolutely disgusting.

Okay, Ben, prove you're not a fool. Present your evidence that trumps the thousands of points evidence that says flight 93 did crash there.

Here's your chance to demonstrate your education, Ben. Go. Do it. Right now.
 
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I have to go to bed now as i have to be up for work in about 5 hours.....but I will come back on tomorrow to discuss...I didnt get much chance to come on recently as I was at work quite a bit....But I am not shying away in case people thought that....was just really busy over christmas...I am still working on getting references from all my books to back up an earlier post I made to as requested....I have not forgot......

Ben
 
wtcconspiracy said:
ok i re read your post and see you meant only my 9/11 opinion is uneducated....But this is not true as I have read over 17 books on the topic....So I do know a bit about the event....I am not just pulling facts out of a hat.....I have resources....

Ben
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Do any of your resources address this question:

Please, using math, show us what is wrong with the Shanksville crash physics.
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Gravy said:
YOU insult the victims, their families, the people who collected and identified their remains, and all the witnesses, first responders, and investigators, and YOU want to be treated with kid gloves?

Absolutely disgusting.

Okay, Ben, prove you're not a fool. Present your evidence that trumps the thousands of points evidence that says flight 93 did crash there.

Here's your chance to demonstrate your education, Ben. Go. Do it. Right now.
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Now how can I seriously prove what happened exactly in Shanksville....I am not the expert...All I can say is it does not really look like a large plane crashed there......

Ben
 
wtcconspiracy said:
Now how can I seriously prove what happened exactly in Shanksville....I am not the expert...All I can say is it does not really look like a large plane crashed there......

Ben
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Ben, how many airplane crash sites have you been on?
 
Wow! Impressive! Well, I guess those hundreds of first responders and investigators are wrong after all.

What was that about being educated again, Ben? Remember, you can choose ignorance or you can choose learning. No one is forcing you to remain completely uninformed. That's entirely your doing.
 
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