hypnosis-real science or woo?

I'm of the opinion that a strong willed person who doesn't believe in hypnotism, or just doesn't want to be hypnotised can never be hypnotised.
 
My question to those that claim hypnotism is scientifically valid. Can anyone be hynotised? I only ask because I'd be willing to bet anyone that I couldn't be hypnotised.
 
drzeus99 said:
I'm of the opinion that a strong willed person who doesn't believe in hypnotism, or just doesn't want to be hypnotised can never be hypnotised.
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And you would be spot on. Sometimes at these entertaintment events, stooges are planted in the audience.
Just like mediums who plant people in the audience who have recentley lost a loved one and find all the info. they need from neighbors and friends of the deceased. It's all hocus pocus. :eye-poppi
 
Senex said:
I usually find it unethical to use hypnotism on dates -- but this guy may have the right idea
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Very very funny. He should have just taken her to Macca's. What I wouldn't give to have such power. :)
 
drzeus99 said:
My question to those that claim hypnotism is scientifically valid. Can anyone be hynotised? I only ask because I'd be willing to bet anyone that I couldn't be hypnotised.
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Disclaimer: the words I'm putting in quotes are used simply for lack of a better word. I have stated this several time in my past posts in this thread. :-)

Having said that, it's true that there are some people can't go into a "trance" by "usual induction methods" because that they are prepared for it, or they don't want to, or they are distracted. However, that's not to say that there are times that those same people go into a "trance" anyway in other circumstances.

I've said it before, everyone goes into some kind of "trance" everyday. We have to. It's part of how we concentrate and remove outside stimuli. Sometimes when we drop into that "trance" we get more suggestable or don't notice things that are happening around us. Usually an "induction" involves making someone so focused and relaxed that they are more suggestable.

Also, I must comment on this quote:

ambnp said:
And you would be spot on. Sometimes at these entertaintment events, stooges are planted in the audience.
Just like mediums who plant people in the audience who have recentley lost a loved one and find all the info. they need from neighbors and friends of the deceased. It's all hocus pocus. :eye-poppi
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I've been doing stage hypnosis for a number of years now. I've never ever used stooges and have never done any prescreening. I simply rely on the suggestablity and desire of people.

....and yes, on stage, I have had hot women remove their clothes.... (but then again, my shows are R and X rated... :) )
 
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JFrankA said:
Disclaimer: the words I'm putting in quotes are used simply for lack of a better word. I have stated this several time in my past posts in this thread. :-)

Having said that, it's true that there are some people can't go into a "trance" by "usual induction methods" because that they are prepared for it, or they don't want to, or they are distracted. However, that's not to say that there are times that those same people go into a "trance" anyway in other circumstances.

I've said it before, everyone goes into some kind of "trance" everyday. We have to. It's part of how we concentrate and remove outside stimuli. Sometimes when we drop into that "trance" we get more suggestable or don't notice things that are happening around us. Usually an "induction" involves making someone so focused and relaxed that they are more suggestable.

Also, I must comment on this quote:



I've been doing stage hypnosis for a number of years now. I've never ever used stooges and have never done any prescreening. I simply rely on the suggestablity and desire of people.

....and yes, on stage, I have had hot women remove their clothes.... (but then again, my shows are R and X rated... :) )
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Please let me know if you ever visit down under. Perth in particular. I will be in the front row seat with a huge smile on my face and tongue hanging out. There was a hypnotist around these parts years ago who did plant stooges in the audience. But your right, they are people who are very suggestible to that sort of thing. Like others here have suggested, if you don't want to be hypnotized, it won't work.
 
ambnp said:
Please let me know if you ever visit down under. Perth in particular. I will be in the front row seat with a huge smile on my face and tongue hanging out.
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If I ever get there, I promise to have the hottest hypnotized woman to strip in front of you and sit on your lap. :)

There was a hypnotist around these parts years ago who did plant stooges in the audience.
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That's unfortunate. I have run into that a lot. What I've found is that the performers who do use stooges in their hypnosis shows tend to try to convince the audience that they have woo-powers. That's something I never do.

But your right, they are people who are very suggestible to that sort of thing. Like others here have suggested, if you don't want to be hypnotized, it won't work.
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Exactly. :)
 
I was hypnotized once....well he tried, I had a lot of troubles in school and my mother sent me to a hypnoterapist. He started talking a lot of ####. It didnt work he tried to explain that it didnt work because I didnt tried. If it were a real science he can hypnotize me whether or not I believe in it. ie If a man does not believe in morphine give him a dose and he'll start believing it in a couple of minutes, does not matter if you believe or not.
 
mgilII said:
I was hypnotized once....well he tried, I had a lot of troubles in school and my mother sent me to a hypnoterapist. He started talking a lot of ####. It didnt work he tried to explain that it didnt work because I didnt tried. If it were a real science he can hypnotize me whether or not I believe in it. ie If a man does not believe in morphine give him a dose and he'll start believing it in a couple of minutes, does not matter if you believe or not.
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But there's a flaw in your comparison: There is nothing at all entering your body. No foreign substance. "Hypnosis" (again, using quotes over these words for lack of a better one) is subjective. A more accurate example is sitting in a room filled with people who are cold and wearing jackets and you're not feeling the cold, saying "It's not cold in here."

I'll reiterate this again: "hypnosis" is a combination of relaxation, consentration, desire and suggestablity on the subject's part.

It's exactly like watching a movie, solving problem, etc, except that someone is playing on your suggestablity at the time.

And as stated before, if you don't want to go under, you won't. In effect, you are "hypnotizing" yourself to not be "hypnotized". :)






...oh dear, I hope I didn't open a brand new can of worms with that statement.... :)
 
ambnp said:
Please let me know if you ever visit down under. Perth in particular. I will be in the front row seat with a huge smile on my face and tongue hanging out. There was a hypnotist around these parts years ago who did plant stooges in the audience. But your right, they are people who are very suggestible to that sort of thing. Like others here have suggested, if you don't want to be hypnotized, it won't work.
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JFrankA said:
If I ever get there, I promise to have the hottest hypnotized woman to strip in front of you and sit on your lap. :)
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Hey, do I get the same deal? I only live 30 minutes West of Hartford :D

The old Hartford hypnotist was named Deluca. He used a stooge when he performed at comedy clubs but was just as effective performing without any at a couple of company parties I saw him perform at. Of course his show was pretty clean.
 
JFrankA said:
If I ever get there, I promise to have the hottest hypnotized woman to strip in front of you and sit on your lap. :)



That's unfortunate. I have run into that a lot. What I've found is that the performers who do use stooges in their hypnosis shows tend to try to convince the audience that they have woo-powers. That's something I never do.



Exactly. :)
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I remembered the name of said hyponotist, it was; Martin St. James. His son [a chip of the old block?] is entertaining the Japenese as I speak, in Japan.
 
Senex said:
Hey, do I get the same deal? I only live 30 minutes West of Hartford :D
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Sure! I'll let you know when I do another show, (it'll probably be in February).

The old Hartford hypnotist was named Deluca. He used a stooge when he performed at comedy clubs but was just as effective performing without any at a couple of company parties I saw him perform at. Of course his show was pretty clean.
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I remember him. I never met him but he had a good show.

BTW I perform clean, the people I hypnotize perform the dirty stuff. :D
 
I still insist the people you hypnotize WANT to perform the dirty stuff and will subject themselves to the tactics suggested to them. [ bless them] :)
 
ambnp said:
I still insist the people you hypnotize WANT to perform the dirty stuff and will subject themselves to the tactics suggested to them. [ bless them] :)
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Either want to or are at least willing.

Afterwards of course they can cop out of personal responsibility for their actions due to being under some "mind control" of the hypnotist. And so the necessary myth that the efficacy of stage hypnosis requires is further propagated.
 
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JonWhite said:
Either want to or are at least willing.

Afterwards of course they can cop out of personal responsibility for their actions due to being under some "mind control" of the hypnotist. And so the necessary myth that the efficacy of stage hypnosis requires is further propagated.
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Agreed. I never said that I force them. In fact, I freely admit I find the most suggestable, willing people to come on-stage. And since they know it's an R or X rated show, they are more than willing to use hypnosis as an excuse. Although I never claim or even hint that I have any "mind-control" powers, and I tell them upfront that it's like going to a movie, they still desire it to happen. If they didn't, it doesn't work.

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I still insist the people you hypnotize WANT to perform the dirty stuff and will subject themselves to the tactics suggested to them. [ bless them]
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Agreed and AGREED!

:D
 
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JonWhite said:
Either want to or are at least willing.

Afterwards of course they can cop out of personal responsibility for their actions due to being under some "mind control" of the hypnotist. And so the necessary myth that the efficacy of stage hypnosis requires is further propagated.
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If some bashful chick who doesn't as much show an ankle in public went on stage and stripped naked. Then I may become left of sceptic at least. :D
 
ambnp said:
If some bashful chick who doesn't as much show an ankle in public went on stage and stripped naked. Then I may become left of sceptic at least. :D
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Yeah, but how would you know that your bashful chick didn't have some repressed exhibitionist desires that the situation allowed to be displayed in a (relatively) guilt free manner?

It's always the quiet ones... :D
 
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