Bigfoot - The Patterson-Gimlin Film

[historian]

From your posts in this thread where you warn us about bigfoot.

They are only dangerous if you put some serious effort into trying to hurt them. In some cases, they will be reading your thoughts that simply think about how others think that they have the right to hurt the Bigfoot, and the Bigfoot may think that that is your opinion. In that case, they have gone ballistic from a distance, just to show you who really is the boss around here.

 

[historian]

Have a Happy New Year Everyone!

 

[Dancing David]

I have heard Bigfoot running as well. Running bipedal footsteps slamming the ground, particularly at night in the forest with no flashlight showing, cause one to pause, and think things like, THOSE SKEPTICS AND ESPECIALLY DANCING DAVID, REALLY DO NOT HAVE A CLUE.

Uhgee, an honorable mention.

You heard running in the forest. Cool, me too.

Just a small question so I can ponder the answer. How could you tell the critter was bipedal?

I think that there are some cool ways to find out. But I sippose that if you set trip camera and the like, it would show something other than bigfoot, because obviously they wouldn't run past that.

My, I said that one should be careful how one relates perception to potential explanations and I get an honorable mention.

I suppose the fact that I and my homies are responsible for 'satanists' being seen in a local town means that we are statanists. I mean really, we were seen in woods with robes and candles, the locals said we are satanists, does that mean I am a satanist?

 

[Locknar]

They are always thinking of how we would react or how we are reacting, to whatever they do. They are very concerned about not scaring us, once they have decided that they would much prefer to be our friends.

That is very kind of them, worrying about how "we" would react and not wanting to scare us. *lol*

I don't want to be their friends...I want them to scare me, rip me limb from limb, etc. but they won't show up.

 

[SweatyYeti]

Once again, sweaty is showing us where the suit's shoulder is, and not where the shoulder of the actor in the suit is. Take about 1/3 off of the Patty shoulder measurement Pythagoreas.

So, Drewbot.....that's not much of a rebuttal.

In fact, it's not a rebuttal at all.

The comparison I did is prefectly valid.....it's comparing "apples with apples".
I compared the 'arm proportions' of both subjects....from the top of their apparant shoulders to the end of their hands.

The arm proportion of Dfoot is well out of the norm for a primate....revealing that it IS indeed a 'man-in-a-suit with arm extensions'.

In Patty's case, the arm is within a typical proportion for a primate...indicating a strong probability that it's NOT a 'man-in-a-suit with arm extensions'.

 

[Skeptical Greg]

Drewbot wrote:


I'm sorry to report that Dfoot's "home run" was actually a foul ball.


And Dfoot's extended out-of-proportion arm...

The scaling of the pictures is not important.....only the proportion of the upper arm to lower arm, in each one, is.

That comment about ' scaling ' shows just how ignorant you are...


Something is foul alright, but it's not the ball...

Dfoot just proved his point about suits, since your line showing where you think his elbow is, is way off..

You obviously don't know where Patty's elbow is either ..



Keep em' coming Sweety ...

 

[bruto]

Have a Happy New Year Everyone!

You too.

Say, it occurs to me that in some cultures invisible and paranormal people are said to be helpful, rather than just sitting around and making footprints. In Hawaii the menehune are legendary for pitching in with civil engineering projects and the like. So what's with these bigfoots?

It's snowing here. If any bigfoot wants to convince me of its existence, I've left a shovel out on the back porch. He knows what to do.


Happy New Year from Var-mont, where any 'squatch with a snow shovel will be welcomed and fed hot cocoa.

 

[Dfoot]

So, Drewbot.....that's not much of a rebuttal.

In fact, it's not a rebuttal at all.

The comparison I did is prefectly valid.....it's comparing "apples with apples".
I compared the 'arm proportions' of both subjects....from the top of their apparant shoulders to the end of their hands.

The arm proportion of Dfoot is well out of the norm for a primate....revealing that it IS indeed a 'man-in-a-suit with arm extensions'.

In Patty's case, the arm is within a typical proportion for a primate...indicating a strong probability that it's NOT a 'man-in-a-suit with arm extensions'.

Well Sweaty, you never disappoint me. You always help me to demonstrate what's been going on within the Bigfoot world all these decades.

So here comes the long post (with visual demo, of course)

Again: I didn't build "a suit". I put a tee-shirt and spandex over some foam padding one weekend to demonstrate how "muscle masses move" for the BFF community. Like I said before, I merely shoved a soft shin guard pad and glove onto my hands. I never attempted to make the upper arm appear shorter or the forearm appear longer. I made the mistake of thinking that anyone could comprehend how simplistic that was.

In those pics my video camera is on a small tripod only two feet high. Roger was 5'2" tall and standing up and moving his camera in a circle (after jumping off his horse -which he edited out following Patty's disappearing over the hill at the start.)

btw- I'm 5'8" tall. Bob H. is right at 6'. The Patty head adds 4 to 6 inches. Yet that doesn't matter. It's just proportion. And as I've said I can make the arm any length you want.

Let's post some pics so future Bigfoot researchers can look back at this and marvel at how in the olden days of Bigfootery people actually believed Patty was not Bob Heironimus in a suit.

I doubt you'll understand what I'm going to try to communicate to you, but hopefully some of the less eccentric Footers reading this will. (No offense meant)
Here goes---

Try to imagine this. Taking the suit on the LEFT we can shorten the upper arm so the elbow is higher. We can then lengthen the forearm and add our glove. In a suit with arms like Patty's you can shift you own elbow higher or lower - yet the elbow of the suit is the elbow of the suit. It's got nothing to do with your own elbow. Same holds true for the shoulder joint. You can drop it or raise it higher. Doesn't matter. The wearer of the suit is encased in his creation. Drawing lines on the suit doesn't make it have bones either.


Here I've slightly lowered the shoulder. The arm just hangs there. My own arm can slide up or down or I can actually pull the arm and shoulder higher as I walk. It's very easy to do.


Here I've taken the structure and added Patty-pads to the right side. The elbow joint is lower, yet I can still work the fingers. You could take a cheap ape skeleton from POSER and lay it over this image. Then charge "Legend Meets Science" a bunch of bucks and laugh on your way to the bank. That still won't make it real.


Look what's happened to this guy. Someone made his shoulder lower, gave him enormous traps, and then increased his forearm length. Not good for biking, but great for building a monster suit. Seems to meet your line requirement.


Aside from the thigh pad and pajama foot, try looking at the clearest images of Patty and see if you can spot these pads. Pretty typical. The green represents where the material bunches up around the scapula pad. Check out suit construction and learn about this.


This is just a BATMAN suit being made, but you can see the type of pattern I'm talking about. If you added big foam scapula bones under this you'd get "muscle masses moving" like Patty (though 4-way stretch fabric would work better than this thicker rubber). The red represents the pad area. The green outlines where the fabric is stitched or glued around the scapula pad on Patty. (*This is meant to give you a visual - not to claim that Patty is a Batman. Again, I have to mention these things.)


One last funny thing about your comparison is that I'm standing up straight and my shoulder is up. If I merely slouch a bit my arm looks more like Patty (even though as I've said I wasn't making an arm at the time.)

Once again your response shows how Bigfooters tend to carefully choose something out of context to compare while ignoring what it's really supposed to compare with.

Don't worry. You're not alone. I listened to a recent interview with John Green and it was basically this same thing; a complete inability to face the truth that's staring him in the face. The kind of mind-numbing contortions of logic he engaged in was sad to listen to, but important for us to hear.

Anyone interested in the topic needs to be made aware of the traps one can fall into. Facing up to an error is the hardest thing anyone can do. But an error doesn't become a mistake until we refuse to correct it. So... let's correct it.

Happy 2008!

 

[Correa Neto]

Another fishy footer argument

Oh, yes...

Proportions, articulations... Costumes can't change them, according to some footers. "Costumes can't reproduce the arm proportions of a primate." This is a prime example of flawed logic. Flawed from top to bottom. Heck, aren't humans primates? That was the first logic error. Right there at the bottom, at the very presentation of the reasoning... But lets move on and examine it with some more detail (as if we hadn't been to this before...).

The second error is that costumes can indeed make great changes to human proportions and articulation locations. Check this guy's arms, for example...

And the fingers move (check the you tube linkie I posted before)! Either those arms are real or the reasoning is wrong at its core, and human proportions and articulation locations can be very well hidden by costumes. Gorillas, redking, mothra, Patty, godzilla, gorns, you choose. All of them have non-human proportions and are nothing but humans wearing costumes.

And at last but not least, as always, the reasoning does not take in to account perspective and uncertanities regarding the location of articulations, for example.

It seems that for some, its no longer a reasoning, its a belief. Or perhaps its more like some circular theological "arguments" "proving" that god is real.

Fishy fishy fishy fishy... Where's the fish?

 

[Correa Neto]

What about Eddie Munster? A real wolf boy.

OY!
Patty's son, perhaps...

 

[manofthesea]

You too.

Say, it occurs to me that in some cultures invisible and paranormal people are said to be helpful, rather than just sitting around and making footprints. In Hawaii the menehune are legendary for pitching in with civil engineering projects and the like. So what's with these bigfoots?

It's snowing here. If any bigfoot wants to convince me of its existence, I've left a shovel out on the back porch. He knows what to do.
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Happy New Year from Var-mont, where any 'squatch with a snow shovel will be welcomed and fed hot cocoa.

I'm sure some intrepid researcher has found the 'similarities' between the menehune and the florens people interesting.

Hau'oli makahiki hou! (hau'oli meaning happy)

 

[RayG]

How is the view?

Breathtaking, the stars seem to go on forever. I charge a reasonable rent, and you need only provide your own food and transportation. Interested?

RayG

 

[historian]

Breathtaking, the stars seem to go on forever. I charge a reasonable rent, and you need only provide your own food and transportation. Interested?

RayG

Sure. I think I know where I can catch a ride. I'll pack a big lunch and throw in some power bars, just in case I miss my ride back.

 

[devnull]

See how much more pleasant a blog this is, when the paid character assassins have been reassigned to Afganistan. I can imagine them all packing up their things into moving boxes, after being all stuffed into the same NSA sweatshop in Florida, while pretending to be posted world wide. Got to hand it to them on how quickly they picked up on their work here not being in the national best interests. Because obviously if another Pennsylvania game cam photo comes out and we can see the face on it this time, those whose job it was to control public thinking on the subject matter, will be taking the hit. They have been holding that beachball under water that symbolizes Americas need to know the truth (sniff) about the inter-dimensional Bigfoot (sniff) people. The key in educating America is not to tell them that Bigfoot exists and then walk away. It is in explaining how Bigfoot are generally more mature than we are, how polite and benevolent they are, and then explain the supernatural aspects to their existence, in that order.

Historian, quite seriously dude - I think you need to up your meds, or have a mental health review, or something.

You're starting to sound like the "MI5 is harassing me through my TV!" guy that plagues the usenet.

 

[historian]

Historian, quite seriously dude - I think you need to up your meds, or have a mental health review, or something.

You're starting to sound like the "MI5 is harassing me through my TV!" guy that plagues the usenet.

Oh really! What are your favorites meds? Do they work? Exactly how effective are they, based on your own personal experiences that we won't tell anybody about?

 

[devnull]

Oh really! What are your favorites meds? Do they work? Exactly how effective are they, based on your own personal experiences that we won't tell anybody about?

Odd question, but ok:

Questran Lite - Quite effective at binding to bile salts, required since I dont have an ileum. Apparently also used to lower cholesterol. Zero side-effects.

Lopermide - Can be effective coupled with a strict diet, otherwise can cause discomfort and bloating.

Mesasal - Fairly lightweight, long term drug. Appears to be useful for maintaining remission but not effective it inducing it.

Pentasa - Needs to be taken on a full stomach or you'll likely chunder. Very effective at inducing remission. Can't be taken long term, since it is steroid based.

Bricanyl - Useful short-term relief for asthma. I really should give up smoking though.

 

[Drewbot]

Sweaty-

You are still making the same old errors.

1. Asking someone to judge the 'realism' of something, to which there is no comparable 'real' to base the judgement on.

2. Measuring Costumes, and seeing if their limb ratios fall within apelike or humanlike numbers. Red King is the perfect example as Correa noted. The neck on RedKing has no resemblance to human neck proportions.

LOOK AT THE NECK ON THAT THING!! NO HUMAN NECK COULD DO THAT... HOLY WOO!! THAT LOOKS LIKE A REAL REDKING...

 

[SweatyYeti]

Dfoot wrote:

Again: I didn't build "a suit". I put a tee-shirt and spandex over some foam padding one weekend to demonstrate how "muscle masses move" for the BFF community. Like I said before, I merely shoved a soft shin guard pad and glove onto my hands. I never attempted to make the upper arm appear shorter or the forearm appear longer. I made the mistake of thinking that anyone could comprehend how simplistic that was.

Dfoot....I don't give a rat's as_ HOW, when, where, or why you put together whatever you put together. I really don't.

Any images you post here are "fair game" for highlighting, and analysing, by me.
You're free to make a counter-argument, if you like.

For instance...why don't you post a moving image of a padded suit which can compare equally with Patty's arm, as far as it's inhuman length, upper/lower arm proportions, and finger movement?
(Reportedly...this should be a VERY simple task. )

As far as your 'still images' of padded suits go.....they don't amount to a hill of beans. They are, for all practical purposes, sculptures , and anything can be copied as a sculpture.
They have no meaning whatsoever, unless and until those padded suits can duplicate Patty in motion.

 

[mangler]

Sweaty,

As a representative of the Peanut Gallery I have been requested to make a statement. LESS TALK, MORE ACTION!

BTW, good job on this thread Greg.


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[GT/CS]

Dfoot wrote:



Dfoot....I don't give a rat's as_ HOW, when, where, or why you put together whatever you put together. I really don't.

Any images you post here are "fair game" for highlighting, and analysing, by me.
You're free to make a counter-argument, if you like.

For instance...why don't you post a moving image of a padded suit which can compare equally with Patty's arm, as far as it's inhuman length, upper/lower arm proportions, and finger movement?
(Reportedly...this should be a VERY simple task. )

As far as your 'still images' of padded suits go.....they don't amount to a hill of beans. They are, for all practical purposes, sculptures , and anything can be copied as a sculpture.
They have no meaning whatsoever, unless and until those padded suits can duplicate Patty in motion.

Sweaty, why do you keep ignoring my question about Patty's clearly visible wrist band?

Arm-length ratios don't mean diddlysquat when there is a very distinct band between the glove and the sleeve in the pictures you posted.

Are you ever going to explain why the pictures you posted have that band?