Webpage "Patriots Question 9/11" Addressed

[T.A.M.]

John Milbank, PhD
Professor in Religion, Politics, and Ethics, University of Nottingham.
Former Francis Ball Professor of Philosophical Theology at the University of Virginia.

He is listed on PQ911 due to a section of an Essay he wrote in 2006, called "Geopolitical Theology - Economy, Religion and Empire after 9/11"...(warning, this is a .doc file)
http://www.theologyphilosophycentre.co.uk/papers/Milbank_GeopoliticalTheology.doc

"As to the precise causes of 9/11 I remain entirely agnostic. It certainly appears that while certain strange circumstances surrounding that event have been satisfactorily explained, certain others have not been accounted for in any unequivocally emphatic way (and in particular the tardiness of response to the planes’ initial capture). Quite definitely we can say that on the part of someone a terroristic conspiracy was fomented and that who that someone really was is not as yet entirely apparent.

I must stress however, that there is as yet absolutely no clear evidence for such a supposition and indeed that there is every reason for scepticism in the face of it. But on the other hand, there remains a case to answer and the refusal of nearly all public organs to press this point remains striking."

Nothing more than "I have a few questions", or more accurately, "there are questions unanswered"...not exactly an endorsement of the truth movement.

As well, the quote on PQ911 by this professor does not seem to support the lead paragraph of the section heading, which reads...

Professors Question the 9/11 Commission Report

Many well known and respected professors have expressed significant criticism of the 9/11 Commission Report. Several even allege government complicity in the terrible acts of 9/11. This section is a collection of their public statements. This website is not an organization and it should be made clear that none of these individuals are affiliated with this website.

Listed below are statements by more than 170 professors that contradict or are critical of the 9/11 Commission Report. Their collective voices give credibility to the claim that the 9/11 Commission Report is tragically flawed.

These individuals cannot be simply dismissed as irresponsible believers in some 9/11 conspiracy theory. Their sincere concern, backed by their dedication to researching and teaching the truth about a wide variety of subjects, demonstrates that criticism of the Commission Report is not inherently irresponsible or illogical, and that, in fact, it can be just the opposite...

http://patriotsquestion911.com/professors.html

I wonder if Professor Milbank is aware he is on a list of people criticizing a specific report, when in fact, in his quote above (the one listed at PQ911) he does not.

In 2002 he had this "interesting" essay published...
http://www.jesusradicals.com/library/milbank/terror.html

Concerning the immediate aftermath of the events of September 11, the initial question one should ask is exactly why there was outrage on such a gigantic scale? After all, however unusual and shocking this event may have been, people are killed in large numbers all the time, by terror, politics, and economic oppression. Within a matter of days after the attack on the World Trade Center, the United States already may have killed more people in response to the attacks than died in them, through increased and tightened sanctions in the Near East which bring pressure on governments through the deliberate terrorization of civilian populations. So why this unprecedented outrage?

The essay is a great window into the mind(set) of the author.

I could see him absolutely being LIHOP.

He also has one of his essays published in "9/11 and American Empire: Christians, Jews, and Muslims Speak Out", edited by Kevin Barrett and John Cobb.

Not a whole lot on him besides the above...

TAM

 

[T.A.M.]

Oh TAM you are too literal! See, when they hint at dissatisfaction with Bush it means: "INSIDE JOB!!!!" and when they suspect incompetence it means: "INSIDE JOB!!!!!!!" But when they say that it was done by a bunch of pissed off Muslims it means "INSIDE JOB!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

But apart from that, well done. I'd call you a patriot for your efforts, but you are Canadian so that can only mean you are in on the whole thing, so, take off ya hooser!!!!!!

Yes, part of the Northern branch of NANWOO (North American New World Order Organization)...pronounced Nan-Woo.

TAM

 

[T.A.M.]

Sean Kelly, PhD
Professor of Philosophy and Religion, California Institute of Integral Studies.

On the PQ911 site because he is a signatory to the "9/11 Truth Statement", as seen here...he is #49
http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20041026093059633

found this interesting little tidbit...

Sean Kelly, Ph.D., author, professor of philosophy and religion, CA Institute of Integral Studies. A principal financial benefactor and guiding hand of CIIS was the late Laurance Rockfeller, and avid proponent of the "Human Potential Movement". Other Truth Statement signers associated with CIIS include eco-philosopher Joanna Macy and 911truth.org's Byron Belitsos, who studied there. Belitsos is a leading figure in a UFO-themed cult, URANTIA, for which there is much evidence of infiltration and influence by elite mind-control operations:
http://www.questionsquestions.net/docs04/belitsos-urantia.html

here...http://questionsquestions.net/docs04/911truthstatement.html

Not much else out there on him...

TAM

 

[Brainache]

Sean Kelly, PhD
Professor of Philosophy and Religion, California Institute of Integral Studies.

On the PQ911 site because he is a signatory to the "9/11 Truth Statement", as seen here...he is #49
http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20041026093059633

found this interesting little tidbit...

here...http://questionsquestions.net/docs04/911truthstatement.html

Not much else out there on him...

TAM

Elite mind control operatives eh? Well I know how to stop those guys, you just have to All Hail the mighty HYPNOTOADAll Hail the mighty HYPNOTOAD.All Hail the mighty HYPNOTOAD.All Hail the mighty HYPNOTOADAll Hail the mighty HYPNOTOAD.All Hail the mighty HYPNOTOADAll Hail the mighty HYPNOTOADAll Hail the mighty HYPNOTOADAll Hail the mighty HYPNOTOAD etc

 

[T.A.M.]

Jeffery D. Long, PhD
Associate Professor of Religion and Asian Studies and Chair of Religious Studies, Elizabethtown College, Elizabethtown, Pennsylvania.

Another of the DRG fan club, he is on PQ911 for a book review...DRG's "The New Pearl Harbor"
http://www.amazon.com/gp/cdp/member...9672-4038058?ie=UTF8&sort_by=MostRecentReview

Asks the Right Questions/Logical and Well Argued, March 23, 2004
David Ray Griffin, long known for his contributions to the fields of philosophy and theology, turns his logical mind and keen powers of analysis on the official story of the events of 9/11 and finds it, frankly, incredible.

Griffin has performed an invaluable public service by writing this book, and at no small risk to his reputation. By exposing the flaws in the official version of these events he raises the possibility that mainstream journalists find too terrible to contemplate: that elements of the U.S. government, and possibly even the President, were complicit in bringing these events about.

To those (and they are many) who would dismiss such a suggestion out of hand, I would recommend taking this book seriously. Griffin is no wild-eyed fanatic, and one could not accuse of him of making unwarranted logical leaps. He treats this topic with the same care and rational rigor exhibited in his philosophical works. This book is not so much an indictment of the Bush Administration as a call for a serious public investigation (and not a mere whitewash) of events that have been used to justify unprecedented infringements upon the civil liberties of Americans at home and imperial adventures abroad.

Ultimately, such an investigation (were it ever to occur) would likely lead to impeachment. If the evidence points in the direction that Griffin's analysis suggests, the current government of the United States is guilty of the highest crimes imaginable. It is vital to our democracy that this book receive the widest possible readership, and that the public demand answers to these questions.

While it MAY NOT be the same man, there is a Jeffery Long who contributed to DRG's Book "Deep Religious Pluralism"
http://www.amazon.com/Deep-Religious-Pluralism-David-Griffin/dp/066422914X

Not much else on him, nothing concerning 9/11 that I can find, besides his book review, and connection to DRG.

TAM

 

[T.A.M.]

Richard Foltz , PhD
Associate Professor of Religion, Concordia University.
Former Associate Professor, Dept. of Religion, University of Florida.
Former Affiliate Faculty: Dept. of History, School of Natural Resources and Environment, and Asian Studies program, University of Florida.
Former Visiting Lecturer, Dept. of International and Public Affairs and Visiting Assistant Professor of Religion, Columbia University.
Affiliate Faculty: The Earth Institute, Center for the Study of Science and Religion, Middle East Institute, Southern Asian Institute, Harriman Institute, Environmental History Group. Former Visiting Assistant Professor of Religion, Gettysburg College.
Former Visiting Assistant Professor of Religious Studies, Brown University.
Former Teaching Fellow, Core Program, Harvard University.

He is on the PQ911 website due to a comment he allegedly made for a newspaper/magazine published September 16th 2001...

University of Florida religion professor Richard Foltz states, “It is incomprehensible that a person could drink and go to a strip bar one night, then kill themselves the next day in the name of Islam… People who would kill themselves for their faith would come from very strict Islamic ideology. Something here does not add up.” [South Florida Sun-Sentinel, 9/16/2001]

Now this quote is on the PQ911 website, and the link is to,
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/context.jsp?item=a091101beforepinkpony

At this site, the link to the actual article no longer works, so we have to take their word for it...

From what I can gather he is a specialist in "Environment and Religion" specifically with regard to the Muslim Faith.

Not much else from him, besides those comments 6 years ago. This does not seem very honest, labeling him as someone who questions the commission report, when his comments were made years before the report came out.

TAM

 

[RedIbis]

This thread is beginning to remind me of that Ghost Hunters show where they set up all this researching gear only to find there are no ghosts.

 

[T.A.M.]

David Ray Griffin, James Fetzer, and Kevin Barrett are 3 more of the professors on the list, in the "Religion and Philosophy" section. I will not go into them here, as we all know where they stand on the matter of 9/11.

TAM

 

[T.A.M.]

This thread is beginning to remind me of that Ghost Hunters show where they set up all this researching gear only to find there are no ghosts.

I am not familiar with the show, but my attempt here, is to expose the fact that the site PQ911 is being misrepresented by the truth movement, and in fact, in some cases the site itself is misusing, or at the very least providing info in a misleading way, for many of the people listed on the site.

It is becoming apparent through the initial analysis, at least of the "Religion and Philosophy" section, that the VAST majority are friends and/or colleagues of DRG.

Can you clarify what you meant by your statement Red, or was it simply a humorous comment?

TAM

 

[T.A.M.]

Richard Curtis, PhD
Adjunct Professor of Philosophy at a variety of Seattle area colleges.

Listed on PQ911 for the following:

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/270284_connellyrebut16.html

Writing about a speech by one of the members of the 9/11 Commission, P-I columnist Joel Connelly claimed: "Each of us needs to understand why we are doing what we are doing." ("Sept. 11 show the flaws with protocol," May 8)

Indeed! The problem is that the "why" we have been told appears to be a complete fiction.

It turns out those oral histories reveal details about what was happening in the World Trade Center buildings that are completely inconsistent with the tale told by the commission. Dozens of firefighters and medics reported hearing, seeing and feeling explosives going off in the buildings that collapsed. Why were there explosives, very powerful explosives by all accounts, going off in the buildings? More disturbing, why was the pattern of those explosives identical in some important ways with the pattern used in a planned implosion (or controlled demolition of a building)?

Full blown truther mantra article...worth a read and laugh.

He apparently made a speech, not accessible from the PQ911 site (link broken, goes to google search), that had the following quote...

"... there is no evidence to support the commonly held belief that 19 Arab religious fanatics were responsible for the attack of 9/11. And further, the evidence we do have strongly supports the alternative theory that the attacks were actually an inside job. ... The government and our media have endlessly repeated a Big Lie about 9/11. The official version of this lie was published in a book called The 9/11 Commission Report."

And he is a member of "Scholars for 9/11 Truth".

This fellow seems 100% 9/11 truth believer.

TAM

 

[RedIbis]

I am not familiar with the show, but my attempt here, is to expose the fact that the site PQ911 is being misrepresented by the truth movement, and in fact, in some cases the site itself is misusing, or at the very least providing info in a misleading way, for many of the people listed on the site.

It is becoming apparent through the initial analysis, at least of the "Religion and Philosophy" section, that the VAST majority are friends and/or colleagues of DRG.

Can you clarify what you meant by your statement Red, or was it simply a humorous comment?

TAM

Just a humorous comment. I actually think this is a good pursuit. Any misrepresentation is injurious to that argument. If this site wishes to promote itself as a group or organization, every member should have to sign up. ST911 works that way, so there is no confusion. Carry on.

 

[T.A.M.]

Blair Gadsby, MA
Adjunct Faculty, Religious Studies, Mesa Community College.
Former Member, Adjunct Faculty, Religious Studies, Chandler-Gilbert Community College.

On the PQ911 site for the following:

member of ae911truth
http://www.ae911truth.org/profile.php?uid=998545

you can read the details there, but needless to say, he is a "WTC7 smoking gun" fellow.

He also is a signatory on their petition (although I think by joining you automatically become a signatory IIRC).
http://www.ae911truth.org/joinus.php

He teaches at MESA Community College (mentioned above), including an "Introductory to Islam", as well as others,
http://www.mc.maricopa.edu/~bgadsby/

Dats all I can find on him...

TAM

 

[T.A.M.]

Just a humorous comment. I actually think this is a good pursuit. Any misrepresentation is injurious to that argument. If this site wishes to promote itself as a group or organization, every member should have to sign up. ST911 works that way, so there is no confusion. Carry on.

Interesting you mention this. Alan Miller, the site runner, and a frequent writer on OpEdNews, is quite careful in his disclaimers. He makes a point of noting that the site is a collection of people in various fields that have expressed trouble with the 9/11 commission report. He states the site is not an indication of a group or organization that these people are a part of.

My problems with it are...

1. Many, many people in the truth movement are presenting the names on this list as a list of academics, engineers, etc...who are part of their movement. This is misrepresentation.

2. The statement made at the top of the webpage for each of these lists states that the list contains people who have contention with the 9/11 commission report, or whose views are at odds with the report. In SOME cases this is not so, or is misleading as well.

3. Each individual on the lists should be examined to see what exactly they said and/or believe, based on the context of what they have said, when they said it, and keeping their political and ethical backgrounds in mind.

TAM

 

[slyjoe]

Well, I found 2 properties he owns in Scottsdale, but I don't think that is what you are looking for.

 

[T.A.M.]

James K. Powell II, PhD
Visiting Assistant Professor, Buddhist Studies, Department of the Languages and Cultures of Asia, University of Wisconsin.

On the PQ911 site for the following:

Wrote the following comments for MUJCA:

The idea of a /pretextus/ - a pretext or reason to go to war, is far older than the Romans who used it self-consciously. Without a free press, a proclamation could be read aloud to the public to inspire their
emotions to offer their lives in order to expand the boundaries of capitalism and empire. I have heard Kevin Barrett enumerate the many "pretexts" offered as frauds to motivate "the masses" (you and me) to
greed, hatred, fear and murder.

I have now seen two 911 documentaries thanks to the thoughtful presentations by Dr. Barrett. In the first we found the connections to republican contributors as owners of the very flight school at which the
911 hijackers allegedly studied. I was half but not entirely convinced. Always more than suspicious anyway, my thoughts were, but how does one prove it? Where is the clear evidence?

It is in this regard that having seen some 12 times the collapse of Building 7 throughout these videos, it has dawned upon me what a dupe I have been. Everyone has been. The DVD captures news anchors and
experts at the time commenting at how like a demolition job the destruction seemed. In the videos we see an official deciding whether to "pull it" meaning Building 7. From whatever source, I urge skeptics to watch building 7 just make a free fall. Compare the destruction of these buildings with that of the Madrid Hotel that raged with fires but still did not fall.

It is up to citizens to investigate the smoke that points to the fire. As Franklin indicated, those who would trade freedom for security deserve neither.

This is not a Muslim - Christian issue only. Writing as a Buddhist who is also a Buddhist scholar, the implications of proving these facts to the public are tremendous, and hold sway for everyone in the world.
The last superpower has spent itself, and the tremendous fraud will have /karmic/ consequences, truth will out.

Sincerely,

James K. Powell II

http://mujca.com/powell.htm

Note he is a COLLEAGUE of Kevin Barrett.

Nothing else to find on him wrt 9/11.

TAM

 

[T.A.M.]

So to review, under the "Philosophy, Religion, and Theology" section of the PQ911 "Professors" webpage, we have the following (See above posts for more details on each):

1.David Ray Griffin - Truth Movement Member/Advocate, member of SF911T
2.James Fetzer - Truth Movement Member/Advocate, head of SF911T
3.Kevin Barrett - Truth Movement Member/Advocate, member of SF911T
4.Rosemary Radford Ruether, PhD - DRG Book Reviewer
5.John B. Cobb, Jr., PhD - close Colleague/co-author/co-editor with DRG, member of CFPS with DRG
6.Joseph C. Hough, Jr., PhD - DRG co-author/co-editor, as well as DRG Book Reviewer
7.Dr. Gerald H. Slusser PhD - DRG co-author/co-editor, as well as DRG Book Reviewer
8.Dr. Carter Heyward, PhD - DRG Book Reviewer, contributed to Griffin/Barrett Book
9.Helen L. Goggin, EdD - DRG Book Reviewer, provided material for CFPS (DRG)
10.John McMurtry, PhD - Truth Movement Member/Advocate, member of SF911T
11.Douglas Sturm, PhD - DRG Book Reviewer, Signatory on 9/11 truth Statement, connected to CFPS (DRG)
12.Robert Ellwood PhD - DRG Book Reviewer
13.Gracia Fay Ellwood PhD - DRG Book Reviewer
14.Richard Horsley PhD - DRG Book Reviewer/Endorser
15.Clark A. Kucheman, PhD - DRG Book Reviewer
16.James Goulding, PhD - Endorser of Barrett's Group MUJCA
17.Marjorie Hewitt Suchocki, PhD - 9/11 Truth Statement signatory, codirector of CFPS (DRG)
18.Rev. David P. Polk, PhD - DRG Book Reviewer, and long time close friend of DRG
19.Graeme MacQueen, PhD - Possible Truth Movement Advocate (recent article and interview indicate this)
20.David Sprintzen, PhD - Member of SF911T, Seems a Truth Movement Member
21.Kerry S. Walters, PhD - DRG Book Reviewer
22.John Milbank, PhD - 9/11 Truth Agnostic
23.Sean Kelly, PhD - 9/11 Truth Statement signatory
24.Jeffery D. Long, PhD - DRG Book Reviewer and contributor to DRG Book
25.Richard Foltz , PhD - Comments from days after 9/11 where he doubted Islamic Extremists would party
26.Richard Curtis, PhD - Truth Movement Member, member of SF911T
27.Blair Gadsby, MA - ae911truth member, Likely Truth Movement Member
28.James K. Powell II, PhD - Kevin Barrett Colleague, lured to the Dark Side by Barrett

MUJCA = Muslim Jewish Christian Alliance for 9/11 truth
CFPS = Center For Process Studies
SF911T = Scholars for 9/11 Truth
ae911truth = Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth

TAM

 

[JamesB]

Richard Curtis, PhD
Adjunct Professor of Philosophy at a variety of Seattle area colleges.

Listed on PQ911 for the following:

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/270284_connellyrebut16.html



Full blown truther mantra article...worth a read and laugh.

He apparently made a speech, not accessible from the PQ911 site (link broken, goes to google search), that had the following quote...



And he is a member of "Scholars for 9/11 Truth".

This fellow seems 100% 9/11 truth believer.

TAM

Curtis is a full blown nut. I had an e-mail exchange with him (before we started SLC if I remember correctly) regarding his editorial. He continously insisted that just because CNN said the lists of people on the flights were the list of "victims" that they should have included the hijackers if they existed, because we didn't know whether the hijackers were victims or not.

 

[T.A.M.]

"Mathematics, Science, and Engineering" Section next...

TAM

 

[T.A.M.]

A. K. Dewdney, PhD
Professor Emeritus, Department of Computer Science, University of Western Ontario.

http://patriotsquestion911.com/professors.html

This person is well known within the truth movement. He was the man behind the infamous "Cell Phones Don't Work at Altitude" experiments in London, Ontario.

He is a prominent member of the truth movement, and is a member of SF911T, and Physics911.net.

Here is his CV
http://www.csd.uwo.ca/faculty/akd/PERSONAL/hp.html

Scientist, Author, Poet, Filmmaker, Environmentalist, Truther...

TAM

 

[T.A.M.]

David L. Griscom, PhD
Research physicist, retired in 2001 from Naval Research Laboratory (NRL) in Washington, DC, after 33 years service.
Fellow of the American Physical Society.
Fulbright-García Robles Fellow at Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México in Mexico City (1997).
Visiting professorships of research at the Universities of Paris and Saint-Etienne, France, and Tokyo Institute of Technology (2000 - 2003).
Adjunct Professor of Materials Science and Engineering, University of Arizona (2004 - 2005).

Ok, his credentials are impressive. He is a full blown member of the truth movement, seems to believe the CD theory of the WTC Collapse.

He is on the PQ911 site for the following:

1. April 2007 commentary on his blog Concerning the words of Dr. Manuel garcia and DRG, the section PQ911 quotes, is part of the following section...

David Ray Griffin has web-published a splendid, highly footnoted account of “The Destruction of the World Trade Center: Why the Official Account Cannot Be True”:
http://911review.com/articles/griffin/nyc1.html#multipleevidence
This scholarly work, rich in eyewitness accounts, includes 11 separate pieces of evidence that the World Trade Center towers 1, 2, and 7 were brought down by explosives.

Thus, with his hidden assumptions exposed, Dr. Garcia's analysis does NOT support the official hypothesis that fires initiated the collapse of the World Trade Center towers on 9/11/01 and does NOT contradict Dr. Griffin's compilation of evidence that they were brought down by controlled demolition.

I have a feeling that most physicists never completely outgrow their propensity for "hand waving" and that in moments of hubris some may even resort to "proofs by intimidation." But in the end what keeps us honest is our need to publish in peer-reviewed journals.

Therefore, I implore my fellow physicists and engineers who may have the time, expertise, and (ideally) supercomputer access to get to work on the physics of the World Trade Center collapses and publish their findings in refereed journals like, say, the Journal of Applied Physics.

The issue of knowing who was really behind the 9/11 attacks is of paramount importance to the future of our country, because the “official” assumption that it was the work of 19 Arab amateurs (1) does not match the available facts and (2) has led directly to the deplorable Patriot Act, the illegal Iraq war, NSA spying on ordinary Americans, repudiation of the Geneva Conventions, and the repeal of habeas corpus (a fundamental point of law that has been with us since the signing of the Magna Carta in 1215).

Surely these Orwellian consequences of public ignorance constitute more than sufficient motivation for any patriotic American physicist or engineer to join the search for 9/11 Truth!

http://impactglassman.blogspot.com/

2. Is a member of SF911TJ (S. Jones site/group)

I would note that this man is a PhD Physicist, and yet, dispite begging his fellow scientists and engineers to produce papers on the collapses and submit them to REAL journals, he has not, that I can see, done so himself.

His expertise is apparently in Geology Physics, Silica it seems.

His "Political Leanings" are full blown trutherism...
http://www.impactglassresearchinternational.com/Political.html

Feels the 2004 elections were stolen
http://www.opednews.com/articles/genera_david_gr_060606_sleuthing_stolen_ele.htm


TAM