Webpage "Patriots Question 9/11" Addressed

I am glad a few more people have taken notice of this site, and hopefully it will result in a more honest representation of the people listed (unwittingly) there.

TAM:)
 
Actually a good way to help Ref with his investigation of this site might be for anyone who takes the time to research any of the people on it, and their ACTUAL stance on 9/11, to post it here so Ref may access it and add it.

TAM:)
 
Great service, ref! Can anyone pull a Jeff Hill-Drive-By-Truthing and figure out how many people on these sites want to be on them?
 
Rosemary Radford Ruether, PhD:

Her claim, from what I can read, is that she found DRGs book compelling. It seems it was his book that convinced her, as the rest of her essay is a regurg of some of the LIHOP canards...

here is the quote as found on PQ911:

"Until recently I dismissed the suggestions that the Bush administration might have been complicit in allowing 9/11 to happen as groundless "conspiracy theory." ... Thus it was with some skepticism that I agreed to read the new book written by David Ray Griffin ... that argues the case for just such complicity ... The New Pearl Harbor. ...Griffin writes in a precise and careful fashion, avoiding inflammatory rhetoric. He argues for a high probability for the Bush's administrations complicity with allowing and facilitating the attacks, based not on any one conclusive piece of evidence, but the sheer accumulation of all of the data. He concludes by calling for a genuinely independent investigative effort that would examine all this evidence. ...I personally found Griffin's book both convincing and chilling. If the complicity of the Bush Administration to which he points is true, then Americans have a far greater problem on their hands than even the more ardent anti-war critics have imagined. If the administration that would do this, what else would they do to maintain and expand their power?"
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The link to the full essay is provided, so here it is for you,

http://www.thewitness.org/agw/ruether010804.html

as you can guess, the use of the "..." above, leaves a fair bit out of the essay.

I did note this one piece:

"Thus it was with some skepticism that I agreed to read the new book written by David Ray Griffin, a process theologian from the Claremont School of Theology (Claremont, California), that argues the case for just such complicity. This book, The New Pearl Harbor: Disturbing Questions about the Bush Administration and 9/11, is due for release in January 2004. "
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Which makes me think she was given it to review by DRG or a friend, for review PRIOR to its official release, which make me also wonder if she is not a friend, or colleague of his...but again, I am only speculating.

If you read her essay, it is clear it is more of a book review, which she found convincing. there is NO INDICATOR that she has done any research into the topic beyond reading Griffin's book.

TAM:)
 
John B. Cobb, Jr., PhD
Professor Emeritus of Theology
Co-Director of the Center for Process Studies at the Claremont School of Theology . (guess who else is part of Claremont's School of Theology).

On the PQ911 Site, it lists him only as a signatory of the "request for a new investigation of 9/11" petition, found here...

http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20041026093059633

There is nothing else on him at PQ911.

He is co-editor of the book "9/11 and American Empire (Volume II)
Christians, Jews, and Muslims Speak Out" along with our good old "to the gallows with them", Kevin Barrett.

A quick scan of his CV, and a quick Google search reveal he is a sign on with his colleague DRG.

TAM:)
 
Joseph C. Hough, Jr., PhD:
President of the Faculty and William E. Dodge Professor of Social Ethics, Union Theological Seminary, Columbia University.

The only reference on PQ911 is that this man endorsed DRGs book, "The New Pearl Harbor: Disturbing Questions about the Bush Administration and 9/11".

"Griffin's The New Pearl Harbor ought to be read by any American who values our democracy and understands the importance of retaining the basic trust of the people for any such democracy to survive over time." —Joseph C. Hough, President, Union Theological Seminary in New York
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http://physics911.ca/Griffin:_The_New_Pearl_Harbor

The man has co-authored/co-edited books with DRG.

I have found nothing more ever said or written by the man on 9/11.

TAM:)
 
Dr. Gerald H. Slusser:
Professor Emeritus, Theology and Education, Eden Theological Seminary, St. Louis.

Has reviewed DRGs book
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/cu...es&n=283155&s=books&customer-reviews.start=21

and co-authored/edited with DRG, as per this

Slusser, Gerald H. “Jung and Whitehead on Self and Divine: The Necessity for Symbol and Myth.” In Archetypal Process: Self and Divine in White*head, Jung, and Hillman, ed. David Ray Griffin. Evanston, IL: North*western University Press, 1989, pp. 77-92.

apart from his review of colleague and co-author/editor DRG's book, and references to it, I find no other info on him wrt 9/11 or his views on the subject.

TAM:)
 
Dr. Carter Heyward, PhD:
Howard Chandler Robbins Professor Emerita of Theology, Episcopal Divinity School, Cambridge, MA.

Reviewed/Endorsed DRG's Book: Christian Faith and the Truth Behind 9/11: A Call to Reflection and Action

As seen here:
http://www.miraesoft.com/karel/2006/07/24/christian-faith-and-the-truth-behind-911/

“Are we brave enough to read this nerve-wracking book, one of the most important theological texts of our time? Rooted in the longstanding belief that Christians share responsibility for shaping a more justice-loving world, Griffin makes a strong case that the real “conspiracy theory” about 9/11 is the Bush Administration’s silly notion that nineteen young Arab men could have pulled it off. Griffin helps us wrestle with questions that are almost too much to bear, yet which may empower us, if we dare, to build a more truthful and, over time, more deeply moral nation and world.”
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Also contributed to the book: 9/11 and American Empire (Volume II)
Christians, Jews, and Muslims Speak Out, along with DRG, Kevin Barrett, etc...

Apart from that, her contributed essay "Shattering Illusions" in the above book, I find no other commentary on 9/11.

TAM:)
 
ref said:
Oh dear. Thanks for bringing Mary Schiavo up for closer inspection.

She was not the regular demolition/MIHOP person among the people in that list. She stood out. I should have done more investigation on her. I will update my earlier released list.

Mary Schiavo has not made the flight 93 claims, the PQ911 page presents.

The article is here:
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/M.A.Sweeney.html

The text related to this topic goes like this:


The bolded part is the only thing Mary Schiavo has said. Not the entire thing like I first thought, when putting together the list. The flight 93 time discrepancy quote is made by the author of the NY Observer article. Very deceiving indeed. One has to be very careful not to get the wrong impression, that even I did with Mary.

Well, the statement was made in 2004. The NTSB released the flight path studies in 2006 and determines the crash time to within 1 second.
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Oh! Well, that's why I was having trouble finding anything. :o

Hehe... funny you should use that quote. I originally had a line in my first post up there that said something like "All I can find are attributions to her that are technically correct but don't really support any conspiracy theory...", and it was due to that specific line in from that same NY Observer article. But I didn't feel like it really contributed anything, so I axed it and just bitched about the length of the 9/11 Commision's report. Guess it would've been the "smoking gun" about whether Mary Schiavo really is a LIHOPer or not, eh?

Thanks, Ref.
 
I would try to tell Wes Clark he is on the page with idiots, but maybe he likes the company. Sorry Wes, General Wes, I mean General,,. Oops.
 
Funny, the first dozen or more "professors" on the PQ911 list are just colleagues or co-authors/editors with DRG...call it his friends and family plan...

TAM:)
 
We can probably safely say that Stubblebine has no objections to being on the list. He clearly does not have all his headbolts torgqued right. He seems to have some very woo-ish ideas about nutrition, psychic phenomena, how small a hole you can squeeze a plane through, that sort of thing. His personal conduct, as noted in court records doesn't speak at all highly of his character, either.

http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/THE_FOUNDATION/Events/codex-moderngeneral.html

There is a referrence in that article to his having admitted in court that his primary skills were in intelligence and that he had no particular skills beside that. This appears to have been in referrence to an attempt to get out of paying alimony after he retired.

http://www.courts.state.va.us/opinions/oprcavtx/1915944.txt
 
It is definitely misrepresentation, whether it is "fraud" we are dealing with here is debatable (though I think an argument can be made for it). Mr. Miller is very careful/crafty with his disclaimers for this website.

TAM:)
 
I think it interesting that those who address specificly the intel failures, such as those who testified before congress concerning Able Danger, do not belong to any of the woo-woo sites such as PFT or AE911.

Found one more military officer who is totally anti-status-quo, who fits well in the category of aggenda-driven whackos. That would be Colonel Ronald D. Ray, USMC retired.

He's a Dominionist. He filed an amicus curae brief in Lawrance v Texas to support the Texas sodomy laws.

He is also involved with lobbying for religiously-driven legislation.

http://www.firstprinciplespress.org/pages/colonel.htm

http://www.rsvpamerica.org/digital/LawrencevTexas.pdf

http://www.mikenew.com/battalion.html
 
A W Smith said:
Ohh Noo! Avocado Memories is a troofer site now?? I guess I can take Wes Clarks bookmark out of my favorites now. :mad:


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I was going to email Wes Clark, one of them, and tell him he is on woo web site with some real nuts. I failed to find his email, but found a lot of other wes clarks running around.

If I was a presidential candidate, or selling books, I would look up and stop the misuse of my image, and ideas for some idiot cause. But since Wes is super smart, he must be on this one.

I did not find this one.
 
I do not get the impression that Clark thinks it was an inside job. He does see us engaged with a foreign enemy, but he never believed that enemy was seated in Iraq.

He also seems to think that the Bush administration is not acting on sound military principles. But it is a great leap from saying that Bush is an incompetant cowboy to saying that he did 9/11.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2001/o2o9.clark.html

I am still looking for a way to contact him and ask what he thinks of being on the same roster with Bunel. I think he might have some trouble keeping his composure.
 
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