Bigfoot - The Patterson-Gimlin Film

[Dfoot]

Does he have any documentation or proof that this was from Wah Chang? If so, this definitely needs more publicty ASAP.



The 1958 print seems to be more even on the side with the little toe than the mold does to me, but that could be due to plaster overflow and shadows on the cast. Still, the presence of a Bigfoot-type print mold amongst some old film props raises many questions. Excellent find!

The guy was a close friend of both Wah and Chambers. I'm either going to see him in Feb. or my buddy will. I'll ask about the mold if I see him.

Usually the right and left foot molds are a little different. Here I've flipped the mold to match the '58 photo of the print. I wonder if this might be the other foot? Sure seems odd to be such a close match. Still... could be someone imitating some of the Bigfoot photos they've seen. This is why the whole idea of tracks goes out the window with Bigfoot. Anyone can imitate them - and they do.





Wow, Vulich was involved in the original, never released Fantastic Four movie? Amazing.

Ha! Surprised you know about that one. That movie looks cool if you edit it faster (drop the dialogue) and use your own music. Vulich's THING was the best thing in it. Really nice work.


The guys working for Vulich also did the make-up for this guy on PLANET OF THE APES. This rehearsal shows foam muscle suits with partial hair. Check the back of the neck and see if you can spot it separating similar to Patty's neck.


Fortunately for me all these suits are visible to the naked eye. Like Patty.

 

[Correa Neto]

Uh, is that to help locate his submarine?

I think you need to reboot.

And I think you need to educate yourself.

 

[manofthesea]

And I think you need to educate yourself.

In which way? I kinda have had enough of the rubber suit visuals.

 

[manofthesea]

The Brazilian Beastie!

I thought your educated review of Anaconda displayed a personal bias rather than an objective criticism of JLo. My uneducated view is that she was absolutely fabulous. Ice did rather well also.

 

[Dfoot]

In which way? I kinda have had enough of the rubber suit visuals.

Excellent... Kinda reminds me of what the TV host who was a good friend of URI GELLAR said when he went ballistic during an appearance by JAMES RANDI. The guy got fed up with Randi demonstrating how the spoon bend trick worked. What did he expect to happen? Apparently not that.

Going into a skeptical forum in which the topic is the Patterson-Gimlin hoax and NOT expecting to see real world examples of WHY this is a hoax suit and HOW it works is silly. You'd be better off hiking over to the Invisible Monkey-is-Real Forum. At the Cottingley Fairies website no one dares mention cardboard either.

I do this because people like Dr. Meldrum are standing in front of screens on national television pointing out that the Freeman Footage must be real because the forearm is so long and Patty is real because he thinks he sees muscles move. And someone out there is buying it - just as they bought into spiritualism during Houdini's day. (Wait... Houdini's day was yesterday, right?)

***Rubber suit alert***

For Patty's sake do not draw on the rubber suit below. Unless you have a theory that it must be real since "Hollywood" can't make things realistically.

(*P.S. - I've also worked with Ice. He's a nice guy, but his acting is wooden. That is provable through scientific investigation.) All hail the rubber suit!

 

[historian]

Dfoot posts pictures of todays technology and has so far failed to produce unimpeachable evidence that todays technology was possible in 1967 for free. Patterson did not have the money to pay for future technology. Just to counter Dfoot's propaganda, and that is exactly what it is, propaganda, the picture below depicts what Heironimus claims was a suit very similiar to the one he supposedly hoaxed the Patterson-Gimlin film. Remember, Heironimus's claim trumphs Dfoot's claims since Heironimus is supposed to be the man in the P-G suit as claimed by 248 pages of JREF drivel from the skeptics here.

 

[Dfoot]

Dfoot posts pictures of todays technology and has so far failed to produce unimpeachable evidence that todays technology was possible in 1967 for free. Patterson did not have the money to pay for future technology. Just to counter Dfoot's propaganda, and that is exactly what it is, propaganda, the picture below depicts what Heironimus claims was a suit very similiar to the one he supposedly hoaxed the Patterson-Gimlin film. Remember, Heironimus's claim trumphs Dfoot's claims since Heironimus is supposed to be the man in the P-G suit as claimed by 248 pages of JREF drivel from the skeptics here.http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/thum_200494777225cb10f4.jpg

Are you joking? I've not only shown you the suits from the 60's and explained how they were made and who made them, I've even shown you the head of Patty.

For the record: Heironimus never said anything about a suit that resembled what Morris pulled out. Morris was never a creature effects person nor was he the only person selling costumes at that time. He bought his gorilla materials from DON POST. It was based on Gemora's old molds. It had nothing to do with Patty.

Morris may have been contacted by either Patterson or Wallace calling himself Patterson (since Wallace did own a Morris gorilla suit) but none of that has anything to do with Patty. Both Patterson and Wallace were involved in multiple hoaxes.

Heironimus actually said:
1) The top pulled over like a tee-shirt.
2) The hands and feet were already connected.
3) There was some sort of padding in the head and a mouthpiece. It reminded him of a soft, old timey football helmet.
4) The legs felt like hip waders.
5) His feet slid around inside the fake feet that felt like those wrinkled house slippers on the bottoms.
6) There was a problem with the eye hole showing too much.

All of the above is an accurate description of the suit that he wore all of two times several decades ago. It has nothing to do with Morris' attempt at all.

Only one man has claimed to be in the suit; Heironimus. He was there and is seen in Roger's movie making attempt. Stories about a multitude of men lined up to claim to be "the man in the suit" are false.

He's passed multiple lie detector tests. Patricia Patterson has been caught lying regarding Roger's contracts and Gimlin has been caught lying regarding his arrest and his parents' bailing him out.

What Bob H. describes regarding the foot I have experienced myself. It works like the pic below shows...

This 60's bear suit uses the same materials. It's worn by Janos Prohaska. The "technology" of the 60's used in Patty has been shown here repeatedly. Check back over my previous posts and you'll see this.

So... stay tuned in the coming year. Who knows what will turn up?

G'night and good hunting.

 

[manofthesea]

Excellent... Kinda reminds me of what the TV host who was a good friend of URI GELLAR


***Rubber suit alert***

For Patty's sake do not draw on the rubber suit below.
(*P.S. - I've also worked with Ice. He's a nice guy, but his acting is wooden. That is provable through scientific investigation.) All hail the rubber suit!

Wow, Uri Gellar, really!? Perhaps, I got some tricks.

I respect your costume ability, and never had a quibble with any of your posts. It was directed towards Correa Neto and the silly fighting reptile guys and the Screeches.

All hail Cube!

 

[Dancing David]

OMG, my keyboard, I have now so many priceless quotes.

So much coffee, so little time to spray!

 

[Dancing David]

Ray, You seem to be quite impatient today. I only listed 2 prerequisites. There are more to follow, which require coaxing, telepathic communication, and earning trust. These additional requirements normally do not work well on the aforementioned list of animals that do not ordinarily understand the English language without teaching it to them first.

telepathy should be universal and not require translation. At least for visual images.

I do not HAVE to conclusively show that something invisible is a Bigfoot, to anyone. You seem to think that I have some sort of obligation to you or anyone else. I am only sharing my personal experiences. You can learn from them or choose to ignore them. Your choice. Bigfoot research is the fitting together of hundreds of pieces of a mostly invisible puzzle. You are only going to get one or two pieces on any given night. If you are lucky, you will see how one piece connects to another piece. And how that piece connects to the next piece. So one night of attempting to demonstrate anything to a non-believer who is not likely capable of earning a Bigfoot's trust, will likely yield exactly zero conclusive results about anything. So you as a non-believer, will likely get nowhere in Bigfoot research. If I was you, I would throw in the towel right here and now.

Perception is often full of error, it is very real to the perciever. However the explanation of the percpetion often isn't.

Our brains manufacture perceptions whole sale. Like the colors in the sunset, the visual perception of material in the blind spot and the nature of memory and confabulation.

One can percieve something that seems very real, however the explanation of the eprception may be wanting.

I have seen many strange things in the forest, and city streets but not all my explanations are valid. I had the experience of a beaver being the size of a bear, was it a beaver or a bear? When I went back at dawn there were beaver tracks, no bear tracks.

No extradimensional bears masquerading as beavers needed, just a human brain. I have also seen a witch fly across a ditch, which was cool. Well she didn't really fly, she floated up and kind of driftend across. This was the same night that oracular cows predicted the death of Indira Gandhi.

Very strange, as well as a D&D game predicting the fall of Jimmy Swaggart from grace.

The world is full of strange things. the perceptions are all reall, some explanations are not.

 

[SweatyYeti]

Dfoot wrote:

When did anyone claim the red ape suit was supposed to be realistic?

Nobody ever has said it looks "realistic".
I never said that anyone did.

Here's the picture again...

What the skeptics here have said about it...when asked "which right leg looks more realistic?"...is this....

Drewbot wisely wrote:

Do you mean which right leg looks MORE like a Bigfoot's leg?

If this is what you are asking, I would have to say I cannot tell which one looks more like a Bigfoot leg.

(Drew....one leg looks more realistic than the other. Take another good loooooooooong look....maybe you'll figure it out, someday. )


Diogenes...in his infinte wisdom, wrote:

Neither of them looks realistic ..

(Greggy-Poo....the question concerned only a difference in realism, between the two legs. There is, clearly (except to Randi's skeptics), a difference in the two.
I guess you couldn't understand the very simple question.)


LTC8K6 wrote:

Which one looks closer to what a real sasquatch looks like, though?

Who got closest, Roger or the BBC, and how do you tell?

(LTC....perhaps you were afraid to answer the question. )


Bruto wrote:

Depends on what you mean by realistic.

I've never seen a bigfoot, so I don't know what a realistic one would look like.

(Yo Bruto....the answer depends only on a little common sense, and a little honesty. Nothing more.)


kitakaze wrote:

No...I don't see a difference in "realism"

(Thanks for answering the question, kitty. You picked the wrong answer, though. I think I'll get you the first 3 seasons of "Sesame Street" for Christmas....next year.)


Now, here is a simple thing anyone can do to show how idiotic those responses to the question truly are.

Take that picture, show it to a group of people, and ask them the same question...."Which right leg looks more realistic, and which one looks more like a suit?"
I bet a vast majority of the answers will be something to the effect of... "The picture on the left looks more like a real animal's leg".

 

[historian]

Are you joking? I've not only shown you the suits from the 60's and explained how they were made and who made them, I've even shown you the head of Patty.

For the record: Heironimus never said anything about a suit that resembled what Morris pulled out. Morris was never a creature effects person nor was he the only person selling costumes at that time. He bought his gorilla materials from DON POST. It was based on Gemora's old molds. It had nothing to do with Patty.

Morris may have been contacted by either Patterson or Wallace calling himself Patterson (since Wallace did own a Morris gorilla suit) but none of that has anything to do with Patty. Both Patterson and Wallace were involved in multiple hoaxes.

Heironimus actually said:
1) The top pulled over like a tee-shirt.
2) The hands and feet were already connected.
3) There was some sort of padding in the head and a mouthpiece. It reminded him of a soft, old timey football helmet.
4) The legs felt like hip waders.
5) His feet slid around inside the fake feet that felt like those wrinkled house slippers on the bottoms.
6) There was a problem with the eye hole showing too much.

All of the above is an accurate description of the suit that he wore all of two times several decades ago. It has nothing to do with Morris' attempt at all.

Only one man has claimed to be in the suit; Heironimus. He was there and is seen in Roger's movie making attempt. Stories about a multitude of men lined up to claim to be "the man in the suit" are false.

He's passed multiple lie detector tests. Patricia Patterson has been caught lying regarding Roger's contracts and Gimlin has been caught lying regarding his arrest and his parents' bailing him out.

What Bob H. describes regarding the foot I have experienced myself. It works like the pic below shows...
[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/thum_7766474ce7a463d49.gif[/qimg]
This 60's bear suit uses the same materials. It's worn by Janos Prohaska. The "technology" of the 60's used in Patty has been shown here repeatedly. Check back over my previous posts and you'll see this.
[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/thum_77664755b47e0e55f.gif[/qimg]
So... stay tuned in the coming year. Who knows what will turn up?

G'night and good hunting.

WITH THIS POST, DFOOT REVEALED THAT HE IS ANOTHER FEDERAL GOVERNMENT MOLE MASQUERADING AS A MESSAGE BOARD PROPAGANDA ARTIST, BECAUSE HE APPEARS TO HAVE ACCESS TO THE YAKIMA TV FILM, THAT THE PUBLIC NO LONGER HAS ACCESS TO. SO HE DID NOT JUST CLUMSILY DROP BY HERE. HE WAS INSTRUCTED BY HIS BOSS TO SEW HIS SEEDS OF DOUBT ON JREF, AND GET PAID FOR IT IN THE PROCESS. Have a nice day.

 

[SweatyYeti]

Thanks Dfoot....your suit shows a nice, distinct difference in realism between Patty's arm and a suit's arm...

Notice how the elbow in your suit is in the wrong place of the arm, whereas Patty's is exactly where it should be.

I added lines to highlight the SIGNIFICANT difference in the elbow placements...

 

[Locknar]

WITH THIS POST, DFOOT REVEALED THAT HE IS ANOTHER FEDERAL GOVERNMENT MOLE MASQUERADING AS A MESSAGE BOARD PROPAGANDA ARTIST, BECAUSE HE APPEARS TO HAVE ACCESS TO THE YAKIMA TV FILM, THAT THE PUBLIC NO LONGER HAS ACCESS TO. SO HE DID NOT JUST CLUMSILY DROP BY HERE. HE WAS INSTRUCTED BY HIS BOSS TO SEW HIS SEEDS OF DOUBT ON JREF, AND GET PAID FOR IT IN THE PROCESS. Have a nice day.

Like it would not be available on any of the file sharing networks.... Just to funny.

 

[historian]

telepathy should be universal and not require translation. At least for visual images.



Perception is often full of error, it is very real to the perciever. However the explanation of the percpetion often isn't.

Our brains manufacture perceptions whole sale. Like the colors in the sunset, the visual perception of material in the blind spot and the nature of memory and confabulation.

One can percieve something that seems very real, however the explanation of the eprception may be wanting.

I have seen many strange things in the forest, and city streets but not all my explanations are valid. I had the experience of a beaver being the size of a bear, was it a beaver or a bear? When I went back at dawn there were beaver tracks, no bear tracks.

No extradimensional bears masquerading as beavers needed, just a human brain. I have also seen a witch fly across a ditch, which was cool. Well she didn't really fly, she floated up and kind of driftend across. This was the same night that oracular cows predicted the death of Indira Gandhi.

Very strange, as well as a D&D game predicting the fall of Jimmy Swaggart from grace.

The world is full of strange things. the perceptions are all reall, some explanations are not.

You might consider referring back to your Psychology 101 textbook and look up "living in denial". Doesn't take a rocket scientist to recognize it. You seem to keep posting the same thoughts over and over again, implying that repetitive field observations (hundreds of observations) that does not not align with your perception of reality, are a trick of someone elses mind instead of actually being a trick of your own mind. That's nuts. You should consider either turning in you license to practice psychology without a license, or retiring from that field altogether.

 

[historian]

Like it would not be available on any of the file sharing networks.... Just to funny.

Then give us a link.

 

[historian]

I enter as further evidence of DFOOT being a federal employee that is specifically hired to sew falsehoods on the internet in regard to the PG film, THE TIME AND EXPENSE REQUIRED TO FABRICATE THESE SUITS AND PHOTOGRAPH THEM, AS WELL AS THE OTHER RESEARCH REQUIRED TO ASSEMBLE HIS POSTINGS. HE HAS BEEEN HIRED FOR THIS POSITION FULL TIME, AND HAS NO OTHER TIME TO HOLD DOWN ANOTHER JOB.

 

[SweatyYeti]

Another comparison of the elbows....

The suit is still coming-up short! It's such a shame....all that time and money spent on it, and it looks like it's going nowhere.

 

[historian]

So... stay tuned in the coming year. Who knows what will turn up?

G'night and good hunting.
[/COLOR]

In the coming year, I am guessing that the news agencies will get a hold of list of NSA field agents that are operating illegally inside of U.S. borders and performing espionage, performing illegal electronic wire taps, distribution of information gathered with illegal wire taps, telephone harassment, undercover activities against innocent U.S. citizens who are operating within the law, and for distributing false propaganda in a public place. So DFOOT may be looking forward to doing some hard time in the BIG HOUSE for his participation in this charade.

 

[historian]

Notice that DFOOT, as an possible undercover NSA field agent, appears to conincidentally conceal his facial appearance in his photographs. Gee, I wonder why he does that?