Micro Spheres in world trade center dust solved.

[Crazy Chainsaw]

So I got to thinking "silicon'....."chips"...

I googled every solid-state electronics componant I could think of. "Capacitor" led me to something called a "Metalic Oxide Semi-conductor Field Effect Transistor," or MOSFET.

So, basicly, it seems there might be a few gizmos that have some small chip of something red interacting with something grey or silvery all over the towers. Just a thought that hit me. I don't know this sort of thing at all well.

Could these chips be just parts of chewed-up computers and such?

http://ece-www.colorado.edu/~bart/book/book/chapter7/ch7_1htm

Here is a better link, http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2001SPIE.4601..226Y
How about gas sensors, smoke and carbon monoxide detectors there are thousands of things that use Fe3O4 and Fe 3O4 oxidized to Fe 203 forms red Maghemite.

 

[Apollo20]

Major Tom:

Please feel free to post anything I post here on other forums. Feedback on what is being said would be nice....

Chainsaw:

We occasionally found maghemite in corrosion films on our nuclear reactor pipework. It is difficult to identify unequivocally because its XRD pattern is a lot like magnetite.

Metamars:

You can analyse microspheres using a wide variety of techniques. Surface analysis using electron or ion beams allows you to look at the detailed structure of each particle and has resolution down to 1 micron or less. The other way to go is to do a destructive wet chemical dissolution of a sample, (followed by AA or ICP), to get a total (average) elemental composition of a bunch of microspheres. This approach would be useful to get information on minor elements such as Mn, Cu, Ni, V, Ti, Zn, Pb, etc. These minor elements could provide useful "fingerprints" that might help explain the origin of the spheres. I used to have access to all these techniques, but I doubt that I could get a "freebee" from my old buddies to analyse WTC dust.

By the way, I think the combustion of computers and other electronics, as well as paint pigments and plastic "fillers" could all contribute to the formation of iron-rich microspheres. I still say that thermite should give only Al, Fe and O residues with very little Si, K, Ca and Ti. Jones need to focus on particles that have no Si, K, Ca, Ti..... that's if he can find such particles!

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

Major Tom:

Please feel free to post anything I post here on other forums. Feedback on what is being said would be nice....

Chainsaw:

We occasionally found maghemite in corrosion films on our nuclear reactor pipework. It is difficult to identify unequivocally because its XRD pattern is a lot like magnetite.

Metamars:

You can analyse microspheres using a wide variety of techniques. Surface analysis using electron or ion beams allows you to look at the detailed structure of each particle and has resolution down to 1 micron or less. The other way to go is to do a destructive wet chemical dissolution of a sample, (followed by AA or ICP), to get a total (average) elemental composition of a bunch of microspheres. This approach would be useful to get information on minor elements such as Mn, Cu, Ni, V, Ti, Zn, Pb, etc. These minor elements could provide useful "fingerprints" that might help explain the origin of the spheres. I used to have access to all these techniques, but I doubt that I could get a "freebee" from my old buddies to analyse WTC dust.

By the way, I think the combustion of computers and other electronics, as well as paint pigments and plastic "fillers" could all contribute to the formation of iron-rich microspheres. I still say that thermite should give only Al, Fe and O residues with very little Si, K, Ca and Ti. Jones need to focus on particles that have no Si, K, Ca, Ti..... that's if he can find such particles!

Apollo20,
particles of Al203, and Fe would be created by thermite sparking in the collapse, Dr. Jones knows that, that is why he has not been looking into them.
He knows they are supposed to be there, there is one particle of thermite-thermate that would not be in the collapses however that has not been found, and I am not telling anyone what it is.
It has to do with the 2800c temperature produced by thermite and the reaction that temperature can have on another material common in the buildings.
I discovered it by accident, however since it is unlikely to be found in large amounts I doubt it will be found at all.
I also have not seen it present.

 

[Max Photon]

I can't tell you any more...just to say that...

I think CC is ready for that top government security clearance, wouldn't you guys agree?

 

[Max Photon]

Apollo20 on WTC microspheres

You can analyse microspheres using a wide variety of techniques. Surface analysis using electron or ion beams allows you to look at the detailed structure of each particle and has resolution down to 1 micron or less. The other way to go is to do a destructive wet chemical dissolution of a sample, (followed by AA or ICP), to get a total (average) elemental composition of a bunch of microspheres. This approach would be useful to get information on minor elements such as Mn, Cu, Ni, V, Ti, Zn, Pb, etc. These minor elements could provide useful "fingerprints" that might help explain the origin of the spheres. I used to have access to all these techniques, but I doubt that I could get a "freebee" from my old buddies to analyse WTC dust.

By the way, I think the combustion of computers and other electronics, as well as paint pigments and plastic "fillers" could all contribute to the formation of iron-rich microspheres. I still say that thermite should give only Al, Fe and O residues with very little Si, K, Ca and Ti. Jones need to focus on particles that have no Si, K, Ca, Ti..... that's if he can find such particles!

I thought this post was valuable, so I cleaned it up a little, and repost it for emphasis.

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Apollo20 on WTC Microspheres

Microspheres can be analyzed using a wide variety of techniques.

• Surface analysis using electron or ion beams allows one to look at the detailed structure of each particle and has resolution down to 1 micron or less.
• Destructive wet chemical dissolution of a sample, (followed by AA or ICP), to get a total (average) elemental composition of a bunch of microspheres. This approach would be useful to get information on minor elements such as Mn, Cu, Ni, V, Ti, Zn, Pb, etc. These minor elements could provide useful "fingerprints" that might help explain the origin of the spheres.

The combustion of computers and other electronics, as well as paint pigments and plastic "fillers" could all contribute to the formation of iron-rich microspheres.

Thermite should give only Al, Fe and O residues, with very little Si, K, Ca and Ti.

Jones need to focus on particles that have no Si, K, Ca, Ti..... that's if he can find such particles!


[Max adds...]

Apollo20 also pointed out that once-molten iron microspheres can form (via complex chemical pathways) at temperatures far lower than iron's melting point (1536C). Therefore, the presence of iron microspheres is NOT necessarily an reliable indicator of formation temperatures equal to or greater than 1536C.

 

[Max Photon]

A low-ku, by Max Photon

* * *

If thermite were used
In the WTCs,
Its beauty will be
The ambiguities.

 

[Sabrina]

I think CC is ready for that top government security clearance, wouldn't you guys agree?

Speaking as someone with a security clearance, no.

Just by mentioning it he would have violated the strictures of his clearance.

And yes, I'm aware you were being sarcastic, or at least that's how I interpreted your comment; that doesn't excuse ignorance of what a security clearance means for disclosure of certain items. Hence my response.

 

[Max Photon]

It appears Apollo20 and R.Mackey conflict on whether iron can flow yellow to orange

"Speaking as someone with a security clearance..."

That's funny Sabrina.


* * *

While we're waiting for our order of microspheres, I'd like to point out a wee inconsistency.

In this discussion, Apollo20 has kindly illuminated that while iron microspheres are direct evidence of molten iron (as he stated in a different thread), they are NOT direct evidence of formation temperatures of at least 1536 C, the melting point of iron. In fact, iron microspheres can be formed in 600 C - 1000 C furnaces via (not very) complex chemical paths.

It would seem from this line of reasoning that molten iron - or rather, highly-iron-rich melts - can exist at less than 1000 C.

Hold that thought.


Numerous metal flows were seen pouring out of WTC2 starting about 7 minutes before, and continuing right up to collapse. The metal flows were yellow to orange. Note that these metal flows emerged from an area where there were also "white glows" (NIST doesn't want to say "white flashes") and a 10 minute metal fire.

I have claimed (as have others) that the molten metal was molten iron.

I say the molten iron is from thermite planted at various splices, and not molten aluminum from the jet debris, molten lead from UPS batteries, or molten steel from thermal cutting.

I have claimed the molten iron was the product from thermite used to heat-weaken the WTC towers.

Some time ago, R.Mackey scoffed at my assertions. His argument (if I understand him correctly) is that yellow or orange iron is frozen, not liquid, and that fact - known since the dawn of the iron age - precludes thermite or iron-rich melts.

I presented the following:

1. A paper by Jerry Lobdill that shows thermate with 32% sulfur with a eutectic point at a bit under 1000 C.
   
2. Steven Jones mixed up some sulfur-rich thermite, and observed with his own eyes that the iron product flowed (was pourable), even at an orange color.
   
3. Videos of thermite and ice reactions where it at least appears that orange iron product rains down, and it appears that the iron product is still liquid.
   

To no avail.

Yellow to orange iron is not molten.

But what would be the color emitted by the microspheres produced by Apollo20's process?

Remember...

Lemon yellow = 1000 C
Orange = 940 C


Apollo20 implies iron can flow at yellow to orange.

R.Mackey implicitly disagrees.


I'm not trying to put words their mouths. I am merely trying to point out what appears to be an inconsistency around a critical topic.

Anyone?

 

[jhunter1163]

Max:

Are you sure that the metal seen flowing is iron, and not aluminum, which has a much lower melting point and was present in abundance in the WTC?

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

"Speaking as someone with a security clearance..."

That's funny Sabrina.


* * *

While we're waiting for our order of microspheres, I'd like to point out a wee inconsistency.

In this discussion, Apollo20 has kindly illuminated that while iron microspheres are direct evidence of molten iron (as he stated in a different thread), they are NOT direct evidence of formation temperatures of at least 1536 C, the melting point of iron. In fact, iron microspheres can be formed in 600 C - 1000 C furnaces via (not very) complex chemical paths.

It would seem from this line of reasoning that molten iron - or rather, highly-iron-rich melts - can exist at less than 1000 C.

Hold that thought.


Numerous metal flows were seen pouring out of WTC2 starting about 7 minutes before, and continuing right up to collapse. The metal flows were yellow to orange. Note that these metal flows emerged from an area where there were also "white glows" (NIST doesn't want to say "white flashes") and a 10 minute metal fire.

I have claimed (as have others) that the molten metal was molten iron.

I say the molten iron is from thermite planted at various splices, and not molten aluminum from the jet debris, molten lead from UPS batteries, or molten steel from thermal cutting.

I have claimed the molten iron was the product from thermite used to heat-weaken the WTC towers.

Some time ago, R.Mackey scoffed at my assertions. His argument (if I understand him correctly) is that yellow or orange iron is frozen, not liquid, and that fact - known since the dawn of the iron age - precludes thermite or iron-rich melts.

I presented the following:

1. A paper by Jerry Lobdill that shows thermate with 32% sulfur with a eutectic point at a bit under 1000 C.
   
2. Steven Jones mixed up some sulfur-rich thermite, and observed with his own eyes that the iron product flowed (was pourable), even at an orange color.
   
3. Videos of thermite and ice reactions where it at least appears that orange iron product rains down, and it appears that the iron product is still liquid.
   

To no avail.

Yellow to orange iron is not molten.

But what would be the color emitted by the microspheres produced by Apollo20's process?

Remember...

Lemon yellow = 1000 C
Orange = 940 C


Apollo20 implies iron can flow at yellow to orange.

R.Mackey implicitly disagrees.


I'm not trying to put words their mouths. I am merely trying to point out what appears to be an inconsistency around a critical topic.

Anyone?

Pure iron can not flow at less than 1565C

Low Iron melts with Sulfates Or chlorides at about 600-700c oxidize to Fe 3O4 and become solid magnetite, so a temperature of 900-1400 C is impossible.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron(III)_chloride

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron(II)_sulfate
You can heat Low temperature melts to bright red, dull orange but not to bright orange like in the photos.

The only thing that I know of that can flow that color and be Ferris is Ferris aluminum silicate.
However it is exstremely hard to make.

It is more likely just lead.

 

[Sabrina]

"Speaking as someone with a security clearance..."

That's funny Sabrina.

What's funny about me having a security clearance? You think someone with a security clearance can't post on an internet forum? I'd bet you money that there are several people on here with clearances, some possibly higher than mine. Why the snide remark?

 

[beachnut]

"
I'm not trying to put words their mouths. I am merely trying to point out what appears to be an inconsistency around a critical topic.
Anyone?

SECRET NOFORN WINTEL
Are you sure you want to talk TS stuff? You better cloak your IP now so we can proceed. It could be the last time we see your web site when the "labs" get hold of your info, you are bound to go black.
Key word - WT TS/SCI

 

[Apollo20]

One point I would like to clarify is that there are obviously several different types of iron-rich microspheres in the WTC dust. Some appear to be similar to fly ash and consist of iron-calcium-potassium alumino silicates. Others are mostly aluminum-iron alloys with an oxide coating -these would be of greatest interest! There are also some that are almost pure iron which are probably cutting/welding debris. Right now Prof. Jones is sitting on a set of spectra obtained from many such particles. We need to see ALL of these spectra and classify them according to their major/minor peaks and relative occurrence in the set of spectra. I trust that Prof. Jones will show us EVERYTHING he has in this regard and NOT be selective.

 

[T.A.M.]

I trust that Prof. Jones will show us EVERYTHING he has in this regard and NOT be selective.

Don't get your hopes up.

TAM

 

[Max Photon]

Clever is dangerous. Funny is more dangerous still.

What's funny about me having a security clearance? You think someone with a security clearance can't post on an internet forum? I'd bet you money that there are several people on here with clearances, some possibly higher than mine. Why the snide remark?

I'm sorry Sabrina, that wasn't meant to be snide at all.
There is mild humorous content in the stand-alone words (there was, anyway).

 

[Max Photon]

Molten aluminum, or molten iron?

Max:

Are you sure that the metal seen flowing is iron, and not aluminum, which has a much lower melting point and was present in abundance in the WTC?

Are you sure the metal is aluminum alloy? The metal is awfully bright for aluminum. Also, its pretty tough to heat aluminum 400-500 degrees C past its melting temperature as it tends to run away from the heat source once melted. There are also issues about the sufficiency of the fuel load in WTC2's NE corner.

CC thinks it's probably lead.

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

One point I would like to clarify is that there are obviously several different types of iron-rich microspheres in the WTC dust. Some appear to be similar to fly ash and consist of iron-calcium-potassium alumino silicates. Others are mostly aluminum-iron alloys with an oxide coating -these would be of greatest interest! There are also some that are almost pure iron which are probably cutting/welding debris. Right now Prof. Jones is sitting on a set of spectra obtained from many such particles. We need to see ALL of these spectra and classify them according to their major/minor peaks and relative occurrence in the set of spectra. I trust that Prof. Jones will show us EVERYTHING he has in this regard and NOT be selective.

I agree Completely Apollo20, I have spent months working on micro spheres that I created on the first try, basically by mistake.
I have been creating Magnetite Spheres and trying to reduce them back to Pure iron containing sulfur however it has not been working because the sulfur constantly degrades.
I could have been saved months of work if only Dr. Jones had released more information on them.
I bet however that the Chips will now be the focus of Dr. Jones research, the Micro spheres will just get conveniently buried some where in that.

 

[Max Photon]

Cynical does not equal skeptical.


CC, you do great work. No need to cheapen it.

(I don't do great work, so I don't need to worry.)

 

[beachnut]

One point I would like to clarify is that there are obviously several different types of iron-rich microspheres in the WTC dust. Some appear to be similar to fly ash and consist of iron-calcium-potassium alumino silicates. Others are mostly aluminum-iron alloys with an oxide coating -these would be of greatest interest! There are also some that are almost pure iron which are probably cutting/welding debris. Right now Prof. Jones is sitting on a set of spectra obtained from many such particles. We need to see ALL of these spectra and classify them according to their major/minor peaks and relative occurrence in the set of spectra. I trust that Prof. Jones will show us EVERYTHING he has in this regard and NOT be selective.

That would be interesting. (however I must say Jones' fantasy ideas on 9/11 are total bunk, working on his claims is like working on Chemtrail CTs; you have to dig hard to find something to work on; in Jones' case of course we have a man frantic to back in evidence to support his vision of crazy ideas on 9/11.)

What may be interesting if Jones' found sphere from dropping cinder blocks in one of his first major experiments exposing the bad guys who did 9/11 by breaking the laws of physics which Jones' is an expert on. (you would think Jones' would tell 9/11 truthers how dumb the breaking the laws of physics statement sounds; does he do that in his lectures of woo)

5. I conducted simple experiments on the "pancaking" theory, by dropping cement blocks from approximately 12 feet onto other cement blocks. (The floors in the WTC buildings were about 12 feet apart.) We are supposed to believe, from the pancaking theory, that a concrete floor dropping 12 feet onto another concrete floor will result in PULVERIZED concrete observed during the Towers' collapses! Nonsense! My own experiments, and I welcome you to try this yourself, is that only chips/large chunks of cement flaked off the blocks -- no mass pulverization to approx. 100-micron powder as observed. Explosives, however, can indeed convert concrete to dust --mostly, along with some large chunks-- as observed in the destruction of the Twin Towers on 9-11-01. (Jones experiment done on or before 9/16/05)

Here is what may have been a rational man before 9/16/05, but in his first paper, he exposes even a personable professor can have irrational ideas on an event solved 4 years early.

Did Jones find spheres in his concrete blocks? I wonder if the spheres are all over his back yard, or office where the critical experiment took place to expose unknown conspirators in on 9/11!?

 

[pomeroo]

What's funny about me having a security clearance? You think someone with a security clearance can't post on an internet forum? I'd bet you money that there are several people on here with clearances, some possibly higher than mine. Why the snide remark?

The snide remark is intended to disguise the fact that he is an ignorant, attention-seeking charlatan who prattles about subjects he can't understand.