9/11 Conspirators - Naming Names, List included

[T.A.M.]

Hardly, but you've more than implied that you flew alongside Myers in Viet Nam. Do you care to validate your claim?

Red:

It is a bit much to ask someone to come out from their anonymity. When I was accused of not being a physician, I had one of the mods look up my name (they have access to our names when we join) and confirm I was a physician. I think that would be most you could expect, and even that seems a bit much. Has Reheat ever given you any reason to doubt his word? Is there any benefit for Reheat to lie about such things?

TAM

 

[Reheat]

Hardly, but you've more than implied that you flew alongside Myers in Viet Nam. Do you care to validate your claim?

First of all I didn't say where that is your assumption.

Second, give him a call and ask him if he knows Reheat from the JREF Forums. I'm sure he'll say yes and you'll be happy.

 

[Reheat]

It is a bit much to ask someone to come out from their anonymity.

As you know it's just a silly game with him. He's knows there is no way possible that I can verify what I said, but he'll continue to be stupid and play this silly game simply because there is nothing else he can do to (in his mind) gain oneupmanship with me.

Even if I were willing to reveal my identity (I'm not) that would still not prove that Dick Myers and I know each other.

Of course, whether I do know him or not really proves nothing either way in the first place. He has no respect for anyone else anyway and that's not likely to change.

He's already accused Myers of criminal complicity and me of lying both without evidence. Maybe I'm in on it too. I'll have to check my appointment book for Sept 2001 and see.

Nope, I wasn't living in the US at that time. And, no I'm not going to validate that either.

Oh, and could someone tell me what the point is in relation to this thread? I'm seem to not be able to determine that.

 

[Locknar]

Thanks for your reasonable questions. First, I've already quoted the responsibilities of the Chairman, acting or otherwise. I'll take the US gov definition over what anyone has said here.

Secondly, I posted the sequence of events. By 9:03, you, me and nearly anyone with a TV knew we were under an attack. Myers chose to stay in his meeting for another 24 mins. His responsibility was to advise the president about military options and resources. He didn't do that. Instead of the presidential medal of freedom, I state unequivocally that he should receive indictments.

First, you are misinterpreting the responsibilities of the JCS and the term "adviser". The JCS's advisory role is wrt long term issues; it is the COCOM Commanders, SECDEF, Service Chiefs that are to advise wrt military options and resources related to near term/active issues.

While you may state "unequivocally that he should receive indictments", that does not make it so. You really need to learn how things work, and why they work the way they do, before you level such silly charges/acquisitions.

Second...you have yet to say what you think he should have, or could have, done.

 

[BenBurch]

Red Ibis seems to really love his anonymity...

I wonder how he would respond to a request that he prove who HE is?

I wonder how he would react if one of us captured his IP address and outed him without his consent?

I am betting he would not be a happy bird.

 

[beachnut]

Hardly, but you've more than implied that you flew alongside Myers in Viet Nam. Do you care to validate your claim?

Now you think Reheat is telling lies? Reheat is 10 time more likely to have flown with a JCS guy in fighters than me in my tanker. Sad. Your posts on Myers are exposing your lack of knowledge. You have someone who has experience in the military, and you ignore it. Why not go to LCF and wallow in the ignorance there, since you refuse to acknowledge someone can be right here.

You are not discussing this, you are making up stuff due to you lack of knowledge. You make up what you thing Myers should do when a plane is hijacked, and it is totally wrong.

 

[RedIbis]

Red:

It is a bit much to ask someone to come out from their anonymity. When I was accused of not being a physician, I had one of the mods look up my name (they have access to our names when we join) and confirm I was a physician. I think that would be most you could expect, and even that seems a bit much. Has Reheat ever given you any reason to doubt his word? Is there any benefit for Reheat to lie about such things?

TAM

Now Tam, follow along here. I never claimed to have flown along side Myers, Reheat did.

I asked him the simplest possible question that might lead to validation and he ran, fast.

Now he's questioning where he flew alongside Myers, but he seems unaware of Myers' flight record.

Be honest Tam and review this petty exchange, and tell me you think he can validate his claim. The guy told a whopper and now he can't back it up. I'm a bit shocked you guys don't press him to validate his claim. You're a bit selective in your scrutiny.

 

[RedIbis]

Red Ibis seems to really love his anonymity...

I wonder how he would respond to a request that he prove who HE is?

I wonder how he would react if one of us captured his IP address and outed him without his consent?

I am betting he would not be a happy bird.

Is this some sort of silly little threat?

Whoever captures my IP and "outs" me might find him/herself utterly bored.

 

[RedIbis]

As you know it's just a silly game with him. He's knows there is no way possible that I can verify what I said

How utterly ridiculous. Of course there are ways you can validate your claim without revealing your identity.

 

[LashL]

RedIbis,

You have indicated that you think Gen. Myers ought to be indicted for, at least, criminal negligence causing death in connection with the attacks of 9/11.

Tell me, if you were a District Attorney or an ADA or a Special Prosecutor, what facts and evidence would you lead in your quest for a conviction on that charge and how many counts would you seek indictment on?

 

[LashL]

I asked him the simplest possible question that might lead to validation and he ran, fast.

No, he didn't. He invited you to call Gen. Myers to verify it for yourself. That is hardly running.

Now he's questioning where he flew alongside Myers, but he seems unaware of Myers' flight record.

How do you interpret Reheat saying that he did not say what you claimed he said, and pointing out that it was an assumption on your part, as Reheat "questioning" where he himself flew with Gen. Myers?

 

[BenBurch]

Yeah, why not call the General?

You can, you know.

And, no, not a threat, your reaction provides the proof that you are willing to ask others to out themselves when you, yourself require your anonymity.

BTW, This really is my name.

 

[Locknar]

RedIbis,

You have indicated that you think Gen. Myers ought to be indicted for, at least, criminal negligence causing death in connection with the attacks of 9/11.

Tell me, if you were a District Attorney or an ADA or a Special Prosecutor, what facts and evidence would you lead in your quest for a conviction on that charge and how many counts would you seek indictment on?

Good luck getting an answer from him; I've asked the same question (more or less) several times...he simply ignores it.

 

[beachnut]

Now Tam, follow along here. I never claimed to have flown along side Myers, Reheat did.

I asked him the simplest possible question that might lead to validation and he ran, fast.

Now he's questioning where he flew alongside Myers, but he seems unaware of Myers' flight record.

Be honest Tam and review this petty exchange, and tell me you think he can validate his claim. The guy told a whopper and now he can't back it up. I'm a bit shocked you guys don't press him to validate his claim. You're a bit selective in your scrutiny.

Why ask Reheat, simple research can show Reheat and Myers both had a chance to fly in combat! I think Myers is 2 years ahead of Reheat in being a peer. So Reheat flying on the wing of Myers and knowing him are good. Facts show they both flew in combat and both were in the Air Force. Reheat was in the Air Force and the entire time Myers was! They both flew fighter type aircraft.

Of all the people on the forum, Reheat seems the most likely to have flown on Myers wing.

 

[Reheat]

I'm going to make a few comments on this diversionary tactic and then hopefully we can move on. I resent that this thread has evolved into a discussion about me and I resent having my integrity questioned. In fact, it make me very angry.

I have a portion of my career listed in the qualifications thread. That plainly indicates that I spent 21 years as an Air Force Pilot. I spent a portion of that career in the training arena and a portion in fighters. Yes, I served in Sea East Asia, but I was NOT in Vietnam. Neither was Richard B. Myers. Our tours of duty overlapped by 9 months and I flew with him during that period of time. I had a brief relationship with him again later when he was the Commander of the Fighter Weapons School at Nellis as I also was in the Fighter Weapons business for several years.

I in no way ran from anything particularly a pipsqueak here. I simply left the thread because I was angry. I'm still angry.

These are REAL PEOPLE we're talking about. I resent anyone accusing someone of unconscionable crimes without ANY EVIDENCE whatsoever other than specious speculation, particularly someone I know and respect. It's particularly irritating when an insignificant know nothing pipsqueak does it with a respectable audience.

I will not say anything more about this issue. It's personal and it's over.

 

[DavidJames]

I'm going to make a few comments on this diversionary tactic and then hopefully we can move on.

I suspect it was a diversionary tactic by Red - he's found himself in a bit of a pickle now that he's actually made a claim and I suspect he will do whatever he can to avoid the questions and comments that followed. One tactic I doubt he will use again is to make another claim .

 

[Locknar]

I'm going to make a few comments on this diversionary tactic and then hopefully we can move on. I resent that this thread has evolved into a discussion about me and I resent having my integrity questioned. In fact, it make me very angry.

I have a portion of my career listed in the qualifications thread. That plainly indicates that I spent 21 years as an Air Force Pilot. I spent a portion of that career in the training arena and a portion in fighters. Yes, I served in Sea East Asia, but I was NOT in Vietnam. Neither was Richard B. Myers. Our tours of duty overlapped by 9 months and I flew with him during that period of time. I had a brief relationship with him again later when he was the Commander of the Fighter Weapons School at Nellis as I also was in the Fighter Weapons business for several years.

I in no way ran from anything particularly a pipsqueak here. I simply left the thread because I was angry. I'm still angry.

These are REAL PEOPLE we're talking about. I resent anyone accusing someone of unconscionable crimes without ANY EVIDENCE whatsoever other than specious speculation, particularly someone I know and respect. It's particularly irritating when an insignificant know nothing pipsqueak does it with a respectable audience.

I will not say anything more about this issue. It's personal and it's over.

I'd not let the "talk" of on individual, who clearly has no understanding about what they are talking about, annoy/tick you off.

That said, I understand how you feel...that is one reason, as a Sept 11 "survivor" I typically stay out of the conspiracy threads. I've commented before, I have little to no tolerance for stupid when it comes to the attacks.

I had the chance once or twice to meet with Gen Myers...any talk of cowardice, of conspiracy, etc. is totally unfounded.

 

[stilicho]

RedIbis,

You have indicated that you think Gen. Myers ought to be indicted for, at least, criminal negligence causing death in connection with the attacks of 9/11.

Tell me, if you were a District Attorney or an ADA or a Special Prosecutor, what facts and evidence would you lead in your quest for a conviction on that charge and how many counts would you seek indictment on?

I am glad we're back on track with this post. This thread is not about the identity of posters on JREF.

It is about the scurrilous attacks on General Myers by someone without any knowledge of military procedures, nor of what the role of the JCS is (no less its Chairman or Acting Chairman). RI wants indictments because of a perceived twenty-minute "lag" in which Myers was supposed to do...what?

Frankly, I would be mortified if I had discovered after 9/11 that Myers had done what RI appears to be suggesting, that is, interfering with NMCC procedures during a crisis and "advising" the President of what he was already seeing on CNN, instead of proceeding to the Pentagon and directing the strategic planning in case those weren't the final attacks but only the first of a series. It's all fine and dandy, with 20/20 hindsight, to see that these were the only attacks mounted by Al-Qaeda during that time. But what if they hadn't been and Myers had stopped his work on planning for more?

Isn't that just about the dictionary definition of negligence? But that's precisely what RI wanted the general to do.

 

[T.A.M.]

Now Tam, follow along here. I never claimed to have flown along side Myers, Reheat did.

I asked him the simplest possible question that might lead to validation and he ran, fast.

Now he's questioning where he flew alongside Myers, but he seems unaware of Myers' flight record.

Be honest Tam and review this petty exchange, and tell me you think he can validate his claim. The guy told a whopper and now he can't back it up. I'm a bit shocked you guys don't press him to validate his claim. You're a bit selective in your scrutiny.

Red:

If his claim were of relevance or were to have impact on some element of the 9/11 attacks, official story, or CT, then yes I would expect him to show proof of his relationship with Meyers. His comments on knowing Richard Myers personally do not change any element of the argument, so why should I not take his word for it...he has nothing to gain or lose by it. As well, unlike most truthers, he has not set a precedence of lying or exaggerating.

TAM

 

[Locknar]

Frankly, I would be mortified if I had discovered after 9/11 that Myers had done what RI appears to be suggesting, that is, interfering with NMCC procedures during a crisis and "advising" the President of what he was already seeing on CNN, instead of proceeding to the Pentagon and directing the strategic planning in case those weren't the final attacks but only the first of a series. <snip>


Isn't that just about the dictionary definition of negligence? But that's precisely what RI wanted the general to do.

In a word....YES.

If Myers had done as RI implies, he would have potently been guilty of such things as issuing unlawful orders, interference of those performing lawful duties, exceeding the lawful duties of the JCS, etc.