Could a demolition team bring down WTC 7?

Zlaya said:
Can you tell me what the motive was for the accidental fire near WH that accidentally burned down all those documents just today?
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If I had to destroy a bunch of government documents, I'd totally do it in such a way as to make international headlines, rather than hauling the documents off to the Pentagon or CIA headquarters and using their document destruction facilities.
 
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Zlaya said:
Can you tell me what the motive was for the accidental fire near WH that accidentally burned down all those documents just today?
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Zlaya - As I write this right now, there is one of these less than 6 feet away from me:

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Now... in your imaginary world... were I to recieve and angry phone call from Revenue Canada tomorrow asking about "unreported income", I would have to blow my house up to hide my assets.

Out here in the real world however, I can do the same work for only a few cents worth of electricity.

I am quite certain that the evil cabal the Invisible Robot Fish speak to you in your mind about have similar devices as well.
 
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Zlaya said:
Can you tell me what the motive was for the accidental fire near WH that accidentally burned down all those documents just today?

Tell me daniel, what is the motive for that?
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You don't understand. What I'm getting at is this: When investigating a crime, it is commonly regarded as useful to think of a possible motive. If you believe that WTC 7 was intentionally demolitioned on that day, you should try to come up with a reason why someone would do that. Then you can go on and look for the perpetrator.
 
Zlaya said:
Thats it right there. Boooooy, look at that inferno that brought down WTC 7. What an inferno!
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It seems that every time you remind a conspiracy theorist about the damage, they forget the fires; every time you remind them about the fires, they forget the damage. It’s as if they have the equivalent of a one byte brain which can only manage one concept at a time.
 
Zlaya said:
Yes, pomeroo, its all just a big long set of coincidences...
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So what? Coincidences happen all the time. Big deal.

By your logic the fact that the U.S. won the Battle of Midway must have been an inside job by the Japanese to deliberately lose. After all, what are the chances that a scout plane sent to locate the U.S. carriers finds them and then, what a coincidence, its radio fails and it can't send a message?

Obviously a conspiracy!

Zlaya said:
Boooooy, look at that inferno that brought down WTC 7.
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The FDNY certainly thought so. Gravy has posted in other threads in the forum testimonials from firefighters published in newspapers and magazines where they describe the extent of the fires at WTC7.

I can remember firsthand the live footage on the news of the building showing an enormous column of smoke eminating from it.
 
Corsair 115 said:
If explosives brought down WTC7, then how come there's no recordings of the very loud BOOMS those explosives would have made?
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Because all videos around are after the collapse initiation. And there are testimonies of booms.
 
Corsair 115 said:
So what? Coincidences happen all the time. Big deal.

By your logic the fact that the U.S. won the Battle of Midway must have been an inside job by the Japanese to deliberately lose. After all, what are the chances that a scout plane sent to locate the U.S. carriers finds them and then, what a coincidence, its radio fails and it can't send a message?

Obviously a conspiracy!
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For example, what chain of coincidences led to zlaya's existence?
 
einsteen said:
Because all videos around are after the collapse initiation. And there are testimonies of booms.
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Incorrect. There are numerous videos of WTC1, 2, and 7 before, during, and after they collapse. I've seen quite a few them, both in the days since 9/11 and on the day itself when I was home to see it all unfold on television live.

Also, the booms made by demolition charges are EXTREMELY LOUD. They would be clearly heard and recorded before any of the buildings collapsed. There'd be no mistaking such sounds. Everyone within blocks and blocks of the WTC complex would have easily heard the sounds of demolition charges going off (which is why some CTers say it was thermite or thermate which destroyed the towers, thus sidestepping the lack of booms issue).
 
einsteen said:
Because all videos around are after the collapse initiation. And there are testimonies of booms.
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CT proponents seem to keep talking about something they call "the collapse initiation". You say that happened before any video recording was started. Since we have continuous video coverage for hours before the collapse, please state precisely what you mean by "the collapse initiation". When did this event happen (and how do you know)?

Hans
 
MRC_Hans said:
CT proponents seem to keep talking about something they call "the collapse initiation". You say that happened before any video recording was started. Since we have continuous video coverage for hours before the collapse, please state precisely what you mean by "the collapse initiation". When did this event happen (and how do you know)?

Hans
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Duh. Obviously the collapse initiation happened on 9-10 when there were no cameras on the building, otherwise the video rolling every second hours before the building actually collapsed would have captured the unmistakable boom boom boom of demolition explosives BEFORE the building started to collapse.

It's obvious.
 
The only booms anyone heard or recorded were more consistant with cars cooking off, or heavy steel members breaking and falling. The classic shot is off a female reporter standing in view of the building and not knowing until she saw it falling that anything was going on.

No cutting charges.

No CD.
 
No magz it couldnt.

WTC 7 was a working office building, and far too many people would have noticed were something a miss.

After WTC's 1&2 fell, WTC 7 was hit and gouged, and caught fire. It burned for 7 hours, explosive charges cannot survive such conditions, they contain a lot of oxygen, and as the heat builds, they'd ignite.

Even with fireproofing steel is not fully protected.

Fireproofing is like a resistor, it reduces the heating rate from fire and provides protection, but its not perfect, and after a while it can be overcome.

The thing to recognise with WTC 7 is that the fire fighters could not fight the blaze because the water mains had been knocked out & the structure was not stable.
 
Zlaya said:
Anyways, regarding the OP, WTC 7 was clearly a CD, and regardless of how much damage you claim was caused to one side, and regardless of how many fires you claim were burning away (uninterupted), that building should still be standing right now.
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Because as with all the WTC buildings, it was designed to be indestructible due to fire or damage.

I like that "regardless of how much damage. That's the Zlaya we've come to know.

At least 20 minutes after BBC, CNN and Channel 24 announced it though.

Yes, coincidence. Just like that fire today...
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When somebody has been sick for a long time, and is not expected to recover, occasionally a news station will report that they have died. Usually, this happens a few hours before they actually go.

Naturally, in the case of a building that's inevitably going to collapse, Zlaya will interpret this as proof that the building wasn't going to fall down. That's because Zlaya is a complete

nearly Chillzero said:
Please avoid unpleasant personal comments denigrating other posters' intelligence. Stick to the issues, or I will have to punish you.
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Gazpacho said:
If I had to destroy a bunch of government documents, I'd totally do it in such a way as to make international headlines, rather than hauling the documents off to the Pentagon or CIA headquarters and using their document destruction facilities.
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I'd do it in such a way that there's every chance that random pieces of paper would be distributed all over New York.
 
stilicho said:
Have you even read a single one of the first responders' archived oral histories at the New York Times web site? I have almost read all of them and I can't find anything to support your idle speculations.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packag...12_WTC_GRAPHIC/met_WTC_histories_full_01.html

There's enough there to keep you busy for a year. Tell us which ones you think support the idea that secret demolition teams were inserted in broad daylight and in front of hundreds of witnesses.

I started reading them due to their deployment by David Ray Griffin in his books. I doubt even Dr Griffin has spent the time to read all of them; otherwise he would never have arrived at the conclusions he did that use them as sources.
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I think that it's unlikely that any of the CT analysis of the witness statements involved reading them. I think they just did searches for keywords.

It isn't that I doubt that they'd be dishonest enough to ignore what the witnesses say - it's just that they're too lazy to go through every word.
 
westprog, you need a smilie in there - some people might think I'm mean or something.
;)

ETA: Thank you. :)

ETA: and don't do it again.
 
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Could the WTC 7 bring down a demolition team? More specifically, the demolition team that rigged WTC 1/2. Anyone approached it from this angle? It could explain why none of them have gone public -- they were all "pulled."
 
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