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Could a demolition team bring down WTC 7?

MaGZ

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GStan suggested a new thread could be started concerning the possibility of a controlled demolition of WTC 7. Below is his post from another thread.

I can't say your theory is impossible, although the available evidence does not support it. You could make a sound argument from strictly a motive standpoint. The towers have collapsed. All firefighters on scene want to be looking for possible survivors among their fallen brothers in the rubble piles. WTC7 is badly damaged from tower 1 and has been assessed by those on scene to be in danger of collapse. A large portion of the rubble piles lie within the possible collapse radius of WTC7 so the firefighters have to be pulled away from the piles. They are standing around for hours waiting for it to collapse so they can get back to the rescue efforts. Someone has the bright idea, 'hey, why don't we just knock it down ourselves so we can get back to work? its empty, and its a foregone conclusion that it will collapse anyway, come on, we've got men in those piles"

Up to that point, the argument is plausible. But after that, it takes a high speed logical nose dive into the ground. Who would have dared to make that call? On what authority? With how many people was it discussed? What was the plan for hiding and keeping the secret? Why necessarily take the nefarious route of keeping it a secret? Why not contact Silverstein's insurers and say 'look, this is what we are up against, get someone over here now to look at our assessment and approve this plan'? Why not call a congressman or senator or Rudy, who may have been communicating with president and say 'we want to get our men, we can't, we want to do this and not be held liable, protect us?' Who would have put the FDNY at a liability risk for willfully and secretively destroying $750 million worth of private property? Where did the explosives come from? Its illegal to use them anywhere in Manhattan for demolition, so it is unlikely they would be able to get any from the immediate vicinity of GZ. Who went to get, or who brought the charges to the site? Who knew where to place the charges? Who volunteered, or was ordered, to go into a damaged burning building that virtually everyone on site believed would collapse and place the charges? And the most damning questions, even if only one charge was placed (and how could they predict in advance that it would only take one?), why did no one on scene hear the blast or see the blast? and why did the seismic equipment in the area not pick up evidence of the blast? Either everyone on scene who would have heard/seen it was in on it and has kept quite (except Silverstein of course:wink:), or it did not happen. I'm sticking with option B for now.

By the way, thanks for the info about the elevators. I suppose I had not looked at the building diagrams very closely before. I had previously assumed that the eastern-most elevator bank was in the area of the initiating event, core columns 76-78. In looking again, it appears as though that elevator bank is one set of core columns further west, columns 73-75.

If you want to discuss the firefighter demolition theory in more detail, we should probably begin a new thread, as I know that Christopher likes to keep this one on the topic of debris damage and fire collapse hypothesis
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Who would have dared to make that call? On what authority?

Who made the call? My guess would be Dick Cheney. WTC 7 was the national security building for New York City. I think to bring it down would take a special national security team with the necessary explosives. Once the decision was made the fire department approached Silverstein and informed him of the plan. Silverstein agreed.
 
Oh oh, get ready for debunkers to start derailing this good topic by nitpicking, name calling and pleading to some 'authority' they think they have on the subject.

Anyways, regarding the OP, WTC 7 was clearly a CD, and regardless of how much damage you claim was caused to one side, and regardless of how many fires you claim were burning away (uninterupted), that building should still be standing right now.

But it isn't, it fell onto itself, as if magically it's guts were removed, leaving behind a neat little pile, and magic molten metal that never existed, but did, but didn't, but did...

At least 20 minutes after BBC, CNN and Channel 24 announced it though.

Yes, coincidence. Just like that fire today...
 
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Anyways, regarding the OP, WTC 7 was clearly a CD, and regardless of how much damage you claim was caused to one side, and regardless of how many fires you claim were burning away (uninterupted), that building should still be standing right now.

Neat, a self debunking claim.
 
The offices in WTC 7 involved national security: CIA, Secret Service, Rudy’s "bunker" etc. etc.


So that makes the entire building the "national Security Building" for New York?

Was that the only office location in New York for those agencies?

And what does Rudy's love bunker have to do with National Security?
 
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Anyways, regarding the OP, WTC 7 was clearly a CD, and regardless of how much damage you claim was caused to one side, and regardless of how many fires you claim were burning away (uninterupted), that building should still be standing right now.

We are not the ones making these claims. Firefighters that were on the scene are. You can read their testimonies here.

Care to offer an explanation why they are in such stark disagreement with you?
 
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Who made the call? My guess would be Dick Cheney. WTC 7 was the national security building for New York City. I think to bring it down would take a special national security team with the necessary explosives. Once the decision was made the fire department approached Silverstein and informed him of the plan. Silverstein agreed.

Do you mean this team went into WTC 7 on 9/11/2001 and set the explosives?
 
Anyways, regarding the OP, WTC 7 was clearly a CD, and regardless of how much damage you claim was caused to one side, and regardless of how many fires you claim were burning away (uninterupted), that building should still be standing right now.

This sounds to me like you are arguing that WTC 7 could sustain any amount of damage inflicted on one side coupled with any amount of fire damage without collapsing or requiring demolition. Is that correct?
 
The offices in WTC 7 involved national security: CIA, Secret Service, Rudy’s "bunker" etc. etc.


I worked at this building for 3 years including 9-11.

This building wasn't known as the "CIA" building or the "Rudy" building. It was known as the "Salomon" building. Flooors 27-44 were all Salomon and we had taken space on floors below that too after the merger with Smith Barney.

We had three floors that had 24x7 365 days a year coverage as trading floors and people working long, crazy hours on numerous others. The merger also caused the workspace to get very crowded too. We were packed in together like rats.

All this and you're of the opinion that the building was wired for controlled demolition without a soul noticing a bit of significant construction.

Have fun in Fantasyland.
 
The offices in WTC 7 involved national security: CIA, Secret Service, Rudy’s "bunker" etc. etc.


So what? Connect this observation to your imaginary conspiracy's plan to conquer the world for Halliburton, or whatever.
 
And what does Rudy's love bunker have to do with National Security?


Not to mention the Secret Service's primary task is combating counterfeit US currency, and their New York office was solely tasked with those activities, so they weren't involved in National Security either.

-Gumboot
 
The offices in WTC 7 involved national security: CIA, Secret Service, Rudy’s "bunker" etc. etc.
so how does a demolition maintain security? it would just scatter national secrets across the streets of new york

if the building is standing, and in one piece, they can make sure no one approaches it
 
Oh oh, get ready for debunkers to start derailing this good topic by nitpicking, name calling and pleading to some 'authority' they think they have on the subject.

Awww...are we thinking critically and demanding evidence to support outrageous conspiracy fantasies from the loonbats making them?

Poor widdle Troofers. Translation: WE DON'T NEED NO STEENKING EVIDENCE!11lLOL

The facts are on our side.

You have no evidence of CD. None. Zip. Zero. Zilch. Nada.

Unless you can provide links pointing to some.

Until then, all you've got is FAIL.
 

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