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Why Flight 93?

tomm said:
Honestly tell me this doesn't look "like new":

[qimg]http://911review.org/_webimages/red_bandanna_hijacker2.jpg[/qimg]

Where's the blood? Where's the signs of shredding from the millions of sharp metal pieces after the explosion? Where is the proof this was recovered from Shanksville coming from Flight 93?
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Yawn, can't wait until the children go back to school after the holidays.
 
DavidJames said:
Yawn, can't wait until the children go back to school after the holidays.
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Unfortunately many of them have internet access even at school, which they (the dumb ones) promptly use to annoy adults on public forums (among other nonsense) while neglecting their school work.
 
Corsair 115 said:
Hmmm, does that mean some of the similar material recovered after the space shuttle Columbia broke up on reentry was also planted? By your reasoning nothing should have survived that.
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tomm said:
A like new red bandanna was recovered from there too?
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No - but comparably unlikely findings:

A group of small (1 mm adult) Caenorhabditis elegans worms, living in petri dishes enclosed in aluminum canisters, survived re-entry and impact with the ground and were recovered weeks after the disaster.[12][13] The culture was verified as still alive on April 28, 2003.[14]
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source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle_Columbia_disaster#Recovery_of_debris

The CD copies of "Machine Head", "Purpendicular" and "Down to Earth" were found among the Columbia debris. NASA used them as part of special commemorative plaques honoring the seven astronauts.
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source: http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news...ep_purple_space_shuttle_columbia_tribute.html

Crashes and impacts are chaotic events. Even a top snooker or pool player cannot predict the effect of hitting a cluster of balls on the table, there are too many variables - and that is a precisely controlled environment.

Crash investigators understand that such complex events produce results that the human brain tends to classify as unusual or anomalous, that match our pattern-spotting instincts. However, crash investigation (and all forensic work) is about finding and methodically examining evidence, not following instincts.

In fact, given the way that people respond to things that appear to be unlikely, no conspiracy worth its salt would ever plant such things at the scene.

Or, to put it another way, what to do you think this bandanna is evidence of?
 
Gravy said:
Sorry, wtc, you've been given links to find all this out. I'm beginning to think that you're not serious about learning.

Do not waste our time with questions that have been discussed here 100 times. Use those links and use the forum search function. Clear enough?

Did you read the 9/11 Commission report? If not, why?
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Yes I read the 9/11 comission report. That is the one that fails to mention the 47 steel columns in world trade center core as they dont fit into a total collapse scenario. And the one that leaves out wtc 7. And the one that leaves out the testimony which says Dick Cheney was in the white house bunker before he said he was, Before the pentagon was hit and was saying the flight should not be shot down. We all remember that testimony right...Is that the book...

Ben
 
wtcconspiracy said:
Yes I read the 9/11 comission report. That is the one that fails to mention the 47 steel columns in world trade center core as they dont fit into a total collapse scenario. And the one that leaves out wtc 7. And the one that leaves out the testimony which says Dick Cheney was in the white house bunker before he said he was, Before the pentagon was hit and was saying the flight should not be shot down. We all remember that testimony right...Is that the book...

Ben
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1. NIST report, not commission report (have you read the NIST report?)
2. WTC7 was not attacked that day so is not mentioned in the report (you do know the purpose of the report?)
3. Cheney was not so if it said this it would be a lie (you would not want lies in the report would you?)

This is an attempted derail anyway so back to Flight 93 please
 
tomm said:
Yes, explain (without your petty insults please).
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oh they have to resort to insults on here. Dont know why, but when the point cant be made an insult is just thrown in. I only been here a couple of days. And every time I try to make a point I been insulted. My posts called pathetic. Indirectly was my IQ insulted, But I did pick up on it lol....Oh well...I dont care about the insults....9/11 has questions and if you dont ask them and just accept government version then you will get nowhere.

Ben
 
funk de fino said:
1. NIST report, not commission report (have you read the NIST report?)
2. WTC7 was not attacked that day so is not mentioned in the report (you do know the purpose of the report?)
3. Cheney was not so if it said this it would be a lie (you would not want lies in the report would you?)

This is an attempted derail anyway so back to Flight 93 please
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I thought the transportation secretary Norman Mineta said in his testimony

There was a young man who had come in and said to the vice president, 'The plane is 50 miles out. The plane is 30 miles out.' And when it got down to, 'The plane is 10 miles out,' the young man also said to the vice president, 'Do the orders still stand?' And the vice president turned and whipped his neck around and said, 'Of course the orders still stand. Have you heard anything to the contrary?' Well, at the time I didn't know what all that meant. And...

– Norman Mineta

Sorry am i mistaken by that.....hmm....dont think its a lie when he said it....why would he lie to the 9/11 commission testimony....

No WTC 7 was not directly attacked but supposedly collapsed as a result of the terrorist attacks. I mean I know it wasnt attacked by Bin Laden. But as a result of the plane crashes and wtc collapse that building collapsed, so I think it could have been briefly mentioned....Well I suppose if NIST still cant release there final report as to why it collapsed then the commission wouldnt have had a clue so leaving it out all together was a safe bet.

And I have read NIST and 9/11 commission report.....I do my research before making a conclusion....My opinions are based on a few years of reading...

Ben
 
wtcconspiracy said:
I thought the transportation secretary Norman Mineta said in his testimony

There was a young man who had come in and said to the vice president, 'The plane is 50 miles out. The plane is 30 miles out.' And when it got down to, 'The plane is 10 miles out,' the young man also said to the vice president, 'Do the orders still stand?' And the vice president turned and whipped his neck around and said, 'Of course the orders still stand. Have you heard anything to the contrary?' Well, at the time I didn't know what all that meant. And...

– Norman Mineta

Sorry am i mistaken by that.....hmm....dont think its a lie when he said it....why would he lie to the 9/11 commission testimony....

No WTC 7 was not directly attacked but supposedly collapsed as a result of the terrorist attacks. I mean I know it wasnt attacked by Bin Laden. But as a result of the plane crashes and wtc collapse that building collapsed, so I think it could have been briefly mentioned....Well I suppose if NIST still cant release there final report as to why it collapsed then the commission wouldnt have had a clue so leaving it out all together was a safe bet.

And I have read NIST and 9/11 commission report.....I do my research before making a conclusion....My opinions are based on a few years of reading...

Ben
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You could try searching the forum to see where this was discussed the last five million times some clown brought it up. But I'm assuming you won't so I'll give you the short answer: Mineta had his timeline wrong. He couldn't have been where he was at the times he said he was there. It was a chaotic day and he doesn't remember every last detail with 100% accuracy.

And this thread is about flight 93, not Norman Mineta or the Commision Report.
 
Brainache said:
You could try searching the forum to see where this was discussed the last five million times some clown brought it up. But I'm assuming you won't so I'll give you the short answer: Mineta had his timeline wrong. He couldn't have been where he was at the times he said he was there. It was a chaotic day and he doesn't remember every last detail with 100% accuracy.

And this thread is about flight 93, not Norman Mineta or the Commision Report.
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So what plane was 10 miles out from washington if mineta was not talking about flight 77....And I didnt bring up commission report someone else did....I was merely stating that book is not the total truth......

Ben
 
wtcconspiracy said:
So what plane was 10 miles out from washington if mineta was not talking about flight 77....And I didnt bring up commission report someone else did....I was merely stating that book is not the total truth......

Ben
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I believe they were estimating the position of Flt 93 as they were not aware that it had crashed. I could be wrong though...
 
wtcconspiracy said:
I thought the transportation secretary Norman Mineta said in his testimony

There was a young man who had come in and said to the vice president, 'The plane is 50 miles out. The plane is 30 miles out.' And when it got down to, 'The plane is 10 miles out,' the young man also said to the vice president, 'Do the orders still stand?' And the vice president turned and whipped his neck around and said, 'Of course the orders still stand. Have you heard anything to the contrary?' Well, at the time I didn't know what all that meant. And...

– Norman Mineta

Sorry am i mistaken by that.....hmm....dont think its a lie when he said it....why would he lie to the 9/11 commission testimony....

No WTC 7 was not directly attacked but supposedly collapsed as a result of the terrorist attacks. I mean I know it wasnt attacked by Bin Laden. But as a result of the plane crashes and wtc collapse that building collapsed, so I think it could have been briefly mentioned....Well I suppose if NIST still cant release there final report as to why it collapsed then the commission wouldnt have had a clue so leaving it out all together was a safe bet.

And I have read NIST and 9/11 commission report.....I do my research before making a conclusion....My opinions are based on a few years of reading...

Ben
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You have read the 911 report yet you could not answer my question on what its purpose was?

As mentioned, take it to another thread, there are many on here about Minetas mistake and WTC7
 
funk de fino said:
You have read the 911 report yet you could not answer my question on what its purpose was?

As mentioned, take it to another thread, there are many on here about Minetas mistake and WTC7
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I am sorry didnt even realise you asked a question on 911 report purpose....you just said NIST report not commission report.....Is that a question:confused:

Ben
 
gumboot said:
How do you know they were tracking it on radar?

-Gumboot
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Well I will get the full quote later as I have to get to work now....But I remember the one quote where they are discussing flight 93 and one person is asking about it and the other responds he's down...Someone says oh when did he land as we didnt know that...And the response is no down as in landed...to which the response is oh, He's down, Down...and they know its in PA....so the track of the plane was known....Even reports on the news were saying a 4th plane was heading in direction of washington.....so yes the trak of 93 was being monitored and it was well known....
 
wtcconspiracy said:
Well I will get the full quote later as I have to get to work now....But I remember the one quote where they are discussing flight 93 and one person is asking about it and the other responds he's down...Someone says oh when did he land as we didnt know that...And the response is no down as in landed...to which the response is oh, He's down, Down...and they know its in PA....so the track of the plane was known....Even reports on the news were saying a 4th plane was heading in direction of washington.....so yes the trak of 93 was being monitored and it was well known....
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That was the Tech Sergeant at NEADS talking to someone at Washington ARTCC. Neither of these people were in the White House.

How were the people in the White House following the status of UA93?

-Gumboot
 
wtcconspiracy said:
Well I will get the full quote later as I have to get to work now....But I remember the one quote where they are discussing flight 93 and one person is asking about it and the other responds he's down...Someone says oh when did he land as we didnt know that...And the response is no down as in landed...to which the response is oh, He's down, Down...and they know its in PA....so the track of the plane was known....Even reports on the news were saying a 4th plane was heading in direction of washington.....so yes the trak of 93 was being monitored and it was well known....
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So you mash together what a pilot told an air traffic controller with what a news reader said a few hours later and use that to prove that the people in the bunker under the Whitehouse had a radar track of Flt 93?

To quote someone's sig: "It must be nice to live a life totally unburdened by reality".
 
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