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Bigfoot - The Patterson-Gimlin Film

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SweatyYeti said:
Finding a Gorilla or a Bigfoot costume with the same degree of forehead slope as Patty's seems to be a very difficult thing to do.
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I don't think so...
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Oh, all those costumes are at quite older than PGF.
This one is a bit younger:
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And they are all so... Realistic!
 
Diogenes said:
What do gorillas have to do with Bigfoot ?

Besides, Patty's forehead is not sloped .. Where are you getting that idea from ?
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I was wondering exactly that.

I don't see a sloping forehead
 
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An interesting piece of (anedoctal) information:
Yetifan @ BFF said:
I talked to Morris on the phone just after Long's book came out and he told me, in no uncertain terms, that in '67 a man with the last name
of Patterson from Yakima, WA called him not once but twice concerning how to make a basic gorilla costume, which he had purchased from Morris, look
even more realistic because he was going to play a "joke" on someone.
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Linkie:
http://www.bigfootforums.com/index.php?showtopic=21209&pid=428345&st=0&#entry428345

This alone (assuming the statement is real) would be enough to suspect of PGF's authenticity. Add this to the fact that every single aspect (even the dubious ones) of the creature shown at PGF can be reproduced using a costume.

The result? Every single piece of work made so far, using PGF to validade the claim bigfeet are real is worthless. Its bad science at best.

Feel free to rant, whine, complain, call me denialist, scoffic, disinformation NSA agent, whatever. It will not change the reality. PGF is very far from being reliable (or even compelling) evidence. Works using it to advance bigfoot's case are junk.

Want to advance your cause? Dump this sort of "evidence", stop wasting time trying to validate it and whining about skeptics, mainstream science, and the government. Now, start from scratch, using better data handling criteria.
 
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I'm glad you posted that, Correa. The BFF posters are acting like this info on Morris is new and potentially damaging. It's not new, and it certainly isn't an exclusive scoop from Yetifan. Morris told him the same thing he is telling everyone. The details on his sale of a gorilla costume to Roger Patterson are explained in his radio interview with Tom Biscardi earlier this year. It should be also noted that this is not a 'new memory' by Morris. His testimony is that he saw the PGF on TV only months after it was announced (October 21). The sale of the costume to RP was fresh in his mind and it was an easy connection since the PGF was filmed by Roger. They said his name on TV only months after Morris sold him the suit. So for Morris, the 'memory' of selling a gorilla costume to the same guy peddling the PGF was solidified in 1968, not recently.

Yeah, it's potentially damaging but not at the exclusion of everything else that is potentially damaging. Krantz said Roger told him that he made fake tracks, cast them and filmed it only days before encountering Patty. That means he did this 'fake trackway casting scene' at Bluff Creek. Is that what we are seeing in what is known as the 2nd Reel? Is that potentially damaging?

The BFF Pattycakes will swoop into that thread to do damage control.
 
Again I recommend listening to the March 2007 Tom Biscardi radio show which features Bob Heironimus, Greg Long, Philip Morris and MK Davis. It's 3 hours long but the show does not drag. It is a drag waiting for it to download.

Here.
 
How does the Morris angle fit in with DFOOT'S mask angle? Is he one of the group that built the mask Dfoot is referencing?
 
What tactics are you referring to? Parcher?

Re: Pattycake taking over
 
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Yes, its not new stuff.

Its old stuff continuously overlooked by many and possibly even hidden by some.

Yes, I'm pretty sure the tru-believers can rationalize this information, just like the "some of the best evidence came from Freeman" line of reasoning. This will not turn PGF in to reliable evidence. It will continue to be fishy, just like Freeman's "evidence". And use this sort of thing to back the position that bigfeet are real animals is flawed reasoning at best.

Here's where I think a line can be draw among the footer community.

At one side are the tru-believers, the creduloids, the naïve, the deluded, the romantics and those who are being fooled. Here you will find those who claim to want to "solve the mystery" (using their own words), but actually already think to know the answer- real bigfeet cause bigfeet phenomena. Here you will also find those who, regardless of believing or not in bigfeet, want to make some money out of it. Patty is a real bigfoot for these people. They have (or will show) no doubt about this.

At the other side, those who really want to push forward and critically examine the evidences; those who really want to "solve the mystery", regardless of the nature of whats at the core of bigfeet phenomena (a myth or a real animal).
 
I made a mistake. Morris claims that he first saw the PGF on TV only weeks after October 20th. It wasn't months later; it was weeks later.

Damage control tactics? Well the simplest one that gets used is that Morris is lying about selling Roger a gorilla costume. Others might say that if he did sell RP a costume he didn't use it and instead filmed a real Bigfoot. Some could say that without evidence of the sale (like an invoice) it is meaningless testimony and should just be set aside.
 
Right, this is nothing new. Herriott/Yetifan talked to Morris in early 04'. They are simply rehashing old info.


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William Parcher said:
I made a mistake. Morris claims that he first saw the PGF on TV only weeks after October 20th. It wasn't months later; it was weeks later.

Damage control tactics? Well the simplest one that gets used is that Morris is lying about selling Roger a gorilla costume. Others might say that if he did sell RP a costume he didn't use it and instead filmed a real Bigfoot. Some could say that without evidence of the sale (like an invoice) it is meaningless testimony and should just be set aside.
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HERESAY EVIDENCE, INADMISSABLE.

Bigfoot is real. Get over it, already. Even my grandmother has seen them standing alongside the highway.
 
William Parcher said:
I'm glad you posted that, Correa. The BFF posters are acting like this info on Morris is new and potentially damaging. It's not new, and it certainly isn't an exclusive scoop from Yetifan. Morris told him the same thing he is telling everyone. The details on his sale of a gorilla costume to Roger Patterson are explained in his radio interview with Tom Biscardi earlier this year. It should be also noted that this is not a 'new memory' by Morris. His testimony is that he saw the PGF on TV only months after it was announced (October 21). The sale of the costume to RP was fresh in his mind and it was an easy connection since the PGF was filmed by Roger. They said his name on TV only months after Morris sold him the suit. So for Morris, the 'memory' of selling a gorilla costume to the same guy peddling the PGF was solidified in 1968, not recently.

Yeah, it's potentially damaging but not at the exclusion of everything else that is potentially damaging. Krantz said Roger told him that he made fake tracks, cast them and filmed it only days before encountering Patty. That means he did this 'fake trackway casting scene' at Bluff Creek. Is that what we are seeing in what is known as the 2nd Reel? Is that potentially damaging?

The BFF Pattycakes will swoop into that thread to do damage control.
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Gee, since the NSA is apparently quite willing to employ at least 6 internet propaganda artists on JREF alone, to the tune of $70,000 per year plus benefits, each, it would be well within both their budget and their mandate to pay Morris, and/or Heironious WHATEVER THEY WANT. After all, how much can two semi-illiterates who flunked out of high school, make in this world. So claiming that they hoaxed the P-G film, is the only future that they have. You have to do a whole lot better than that, if you think that you have an unimpeachable witness. You don't have SQUAT! Bigfoot is real. Get over it. Grow up. Bigfoot is perhaps the very best indicator of human emotional security. Those who deny their existence, are quite often EMOTIONALLY INSECURE. It is just that simple.
 
historian said:
Gee, since the NSA is apparently quite willing to employ at least 6 internet propaganda artists on JREF alone, to the tune of $70,000 per year plus benefits, each, it would be well within both their budget and their mandate to pay Morris, and/or Heironious WHATEVER THEY WANT. After all, how much can two semi-illiterates who flunked out of high school, make in this world. So claiming that they hoaxed the P-G film, is the only future that they have. You have to do a whole lot better than that, if you think that you have an unimpeachable witness. You don't have SQUAT! Bigfoot is real. Get over it. Grow up. Bigfoot is perhaps the very best indicator of human emotional security. Those who deny their existence, are quite often EMOTIONALLY INSECURE. It is just that simple.
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At least 6, now? busy busy busy, these NSA folks. Doesn't that seem a little excessive, considering how trivial this whole business is?
 
historian said:
...snip...After all, how much can two semi-illiterates who flunked out of high school, make in this world. ...snip...
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Hmmm... Lemme see...

Fake a bigfoot film and try making money out of it?

Selling fake bigfoot photos?

Become a bigfoot safari guide?

Selling bigfoot callblasting gear?

Selling bigfoot books?

Selling CDs with alleged bigfoot vocalizations?

Selling alleged bigfoot footprint casts?

Presenting him/herself as an expert in detecting and communicating with invisible interdimensional bigfeet?

Asking for money to help feeding bigfeet?

Shall I go on with the bigfoot scam/kook/fraud list?
 
Huntsman said:
$70k plus expenses?

Hey, NSA! I want to be a propoganda artist, too! Call me, please?

Heck, with the low cost of living here, that'd be a good boost above my current salary. Can I work another job at the same time? How about my wife, can she do the work from home?
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Sorry, you are already a part-time HAARP player. Unless your wife already has a NSA function (full-time or partial), she may qualify.

Try another organization, such as NWO or the Illuminati.
 
Heironimus also states that the PGF was on TV about 2 weeks after October 20th. It was the first time he saw the PGF for himself. Nobody had VCRs, so the only way to see the film was to catch it on TV or in a theater. No ability to replay it or isolate a few frames as a clip (as we easily do now). If your eyes fixed on any certain part of Patty you would not get a chance to see the rest of her. I would imagine that a significant percentage of the viewers never even saw the various details that skeptics have come to regard as indicative of a hoax.
 
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