RFID Tags

[h.g.Whiz]

There's zero waste in the fire protection trade? How cool! How impossible!

the only waste that he left behind was in the port a potty

So he came to you and found the nut?

Yes, we all know that if not used immediately, masonry bricks and blocks must be destroyed, for the protection of humanity.

Keep in mind it these rare block only available in florida and the job was in dallas . 40,000 unnessecary requires 4 unessecary trips round trips of roughly 3,000 miles . if you figure in every commercial masonry company in the U.S. has made this kind of mistake only once in the ten years lets say 5,000 companys thats 200,000 million block

 

[Goshawk]

*cough* Actually, I think the OP makes perfect sense. Seriously.

Listen.

I swiped a nut off of piece of all thread over the weekend

Allthread is a construction fastener system--think "Mechano set for the building trade".

And the OP steals a nut, and the other guy knows he's missing a nut because it's like a kit--you get 3,719 connectors and 3,719 nuts, and that's exactly the right amount needed to connect the number of studs or bars as determined on the blueprints by the Beancounters back at Corporate headquarters, and if you've lost one, then yeah, you can't complete the job, because there isn't any way to order just one nut.

So what he's saying is, what's to stop the Beancounters from installing RFID chips on each and every brick, so that not only will each brick need to be accounted for, so there will be no overage or wastage, but also you could program each brick to tell the bricklayer where exactly it was supposed to go, like if you had a Legos Bionicle that was programmed to slap itself together with a minimum of help from the kid.

So your brick construction project would be like a kit. You wouldn't have to worry about ruining the RFID chip by cutting a brick because the half-bricks would arrive on the worksite already cut, with their chips embedded. And reading the chip upside-down wouldn't happen, because that's not how RFID chips work--they're not in human language.

It's actually not a bad idea. I can see the Beancounters greeting the idea with happy cries. So, is it feasible?

 

[h.g.Whiz]

Does this harm someone? In what way, if so?

No but dust inhallation does, which leads to silicosis which has no known treatment to my best knowledge

 

[Skeptic Guy]

Somebody did a horrible job of job management if there were 20,000 bricks left over from a job. They should be fired.

And to date, I haven't seen anything that says that the RFID chips were being place in the bricks. Can you tell us where you got that from?

 

[DoubtingStephen]

No but dust inhallation does, which leads to silicosis which has no known treatment to my best knowledge

Does putting RFID tags inside or on the surface of a brick cause it to emit more dust than a brick with no RFID tags that was not transported on a silent black UN helicopter by agents of the NWO?

 

[h.g.Whiz]

*cough* Actually, I think the OP makes perfect sense. Seriously.

Listen.






And the OP steals a nut, and the other guy knows he's missing a nut because it's like a kit--you get 3,719 connectors and 3,719 nuts, and that's exactly the right amount needed to connect the number of studs or bars as determined on the blueprints by the Beancounters back at Corporate headquarters, and if you've lost one, then yeah, you can't complete the job, because there isn't any way to order just one nut.

So what he's saying is, what's to stop the Beancounters from installing RFID chips on each and every brick, so that not only will each brick need to be accounted for, so there will be no overage or wastage, but also you could program each brick to tell the bricklayer where exactly it was supposed to go, like if you had a Legos Bionicle that was programmed to slap itself together with a minimum of help from the kid.

this is an excellent anolgy. thank you

So your brick construction project would be like a kit. You wouldn't have to worry about ruining the RFID chip by cutting a brick because the half-bricks would arrive on the worksite already cut, with their chips embedded. And reading the chip upside-down wouldn't happen, because that's not how RFID chips work--they're not in human language.

It's actually not a bad idea. I can see the Beancounters greeting the idea with happy cries. So, is it feasible?[/QUOTE]

my spanish isn't fluent enough to explain it. apparently neither is my english.

walmart, home depot are paving the
way for me in the efforts to speed up checkout
food stores are trying to figure out more accurate predictions of food consumption. when they get it right
and cheap enough then it will be as feasible as the tolltag booth system that already exists
for those who dont know it toll tags are a type of RFId tag

Radio Frequency Identification tag

 

[h.g.Whiz]

over bidding 20,000 units means we got paid to lay 20,000units with out actually having to lay them underbidding 20,000 means we laid 20,000units for free.
the reaon for errors such as this is because we may bid as many as 50 different jobs from 10,000 to 100,000 some times 500,000 units for every 1 job we actually get build
and blueprints are notorious for Putting an astrick in the Metal framing section that says see page S1A then you findout 5000 square feet of metal framing needs to be block instead
architects also like to leave multiple details to cover his butt when hes to lazy iron out conflicts in dimensions he only needs one to actually work we have figure out which one

 

[h.g.Whiz]

Correction the helicopters are invisible.
anyways dust comes from cutting the bricks which is one of the things i want rfids to abolish.

 

[DoubtingStephen]

Correction the helicopters are invisible.
anyways dust comes from cutting the bricks which is one of the things i want rfids to abolish.

Maybe I misunderstood all along. Are you saying that bricks *should* have RFID tags to simplify handling and using them? If that is your point then, yes, it sounds like a great idea.

 

[Gravy]

the brick are soaked in a solution cotaining microscopic tag which seep in the pores of the brick after they are baked

Of course. PIIERF. Programmable Identification Information-Emitting Radio Fluid. I paint my books with it and they read themselves to me.

 

[The Man]

the brick are soaked in a solution cotaining microscopic tag which seep in the pores of the brick after they are baked

Oh, I like this even better. We could call it Nano-scale Identification Technology With Immersion Transponders or NITWIT for short.

Sounds about right to me.

 

[The Man]

the brick are soaked in a solution cotaining microscopic tag which seep in the pores of the brick after they are baked

Actually we already have technology similar to this. Certain chemical compounds when coated on an object affect the incident light in such a way so that only certain wavelengths are reflected back to the observer. If the number of objects requiring identification is greater then the variations of compounds easily distinguishable, then the compounds can be applied in specific patterns to aid in identification. We could call this technology Atomic Spectral Scattering Compounds Revealing Annotative Marking Patterns or ASSCRAMP for short. Fortunately, these very modern technologies already have names and are referred to respectively as color coding and writing.

 

[drkitten]

over bidding 20,000 units means we got paid to lay 20,000units with out actually having to lay them underbidding 20,000 means we laid 20,000units for free.

This sounds like a technical solution to a management problem, and therefore a bad idea.

If you don't know how many bricks you need for a job, RFIDing them will not help. If the architect hasn't told you exactly where every brick must go, then you won't be able to use the RFID to match bricks to the architect's instrutions.

The solution is not to count the bricks more accurately. The solution is to cost the job more accurately so you know how many bricks you will actually need. Knowing that I hav e 51,372 bricks on the job yard will not help if all I know about the project is that I need somewhere between 40 and 60 thousand bricks.

 

[Fnord]

on the brick the bricks of course


but it wont be long before the question becomes what products do not have rfid's.
i figure kids of the future wont be able to jack from their parents vice versa

Please type out a link. We won't be able to link through it, but we can copy/paste it into our browsers.

You could also give the name and author of any specific article, especially if you include the date of publication.

Don't be afraid to provide proof.

 

[Alareth]

I don't know about rfid tags, but they are testing "smart" bricks with built in sensor packs and wireless transmitters for use in areas that are subject to earthquakes and tremors.

http://www.news.uiuc.edu/scitips/03/0612smartbricks.html

 

[Goshawk]

Googling "rfid bricks".


http://www.ceramicindustry.com/CDA/Articles/Feature_Article/dc4d5bb5d0eba010VgnVCM100000f932a8c0

A new RFID system* centered around high-temperature-resistant tags mounted on kiln cars is being used to automatically and efficiently track brick as it moves through various stages of the brick making process, from setting through dehacking. It allows operators to view in real time where products and kiln cars are located, and it allows manufacturers to plan and schedule production more effectively while capturing valuable data that can be used in quality control. The system can also trigger automatic changes in the manufacturing process; as tagged products reach a certain point in the process, sensors read the tags and communicate that information to other systems to initiate the required operations. Through these capabilities, the system is helping brick manufacturers take their automated systems to the next level.

So there ya go. That's no doubt what the OP is referencing.

 

[Fnord]

Googling "rfid bricks".

http://www.ceramicindustry.com/CDA/Articles/Feature_Article/dc4d5bb5d0eba010VgnVCM100000f932a8c0

So there ya go. That's no doubt what the OP is referencing.

No wonder he's concerned! This is outrageous! What next, flouride in our water?

 

[jaydeehess]

I have an idea. design the structure as whiz suggests, as a really large 'kit' and then you will know how many bricks each wall will need, how many partial bricks will be needed in corners,,,, and then send pallets with the right number of bricks and preformed partial bricks and let the bricklayers build the structure from the 'kit' plans.

I just saved the company thousands of dollars over the cost of buying bricks that tell you where they need to be by rfid tags.

RFID tags are not going to help alleviate any problem with incomplete plans that show a metal wall when it should be a brick wall since your RFID system relies on the plans in the first place.

 

[bruto]

I have an idea. design the structure as whiz suggests, as a really large 'kit' and then you will know how many bricks each wall will need, how many partial bricks will be needed in corners,,,, and then send pallets with the right number of bricks and preformed partial bricks and let the bricklayers build the structure from the 'kit' plans.

I just saved the company thousands of dollars over the cost of buying bricks that tell you where they need to be by rfid tags.

RFID tags are not going to help alleviate any problem with incomplete plans that show a metal wall when it should be a brick wall since your RFID system relies on the plans in the first place.

Even with the rfid tags that tell you where the bricks need to be you'd have to package them as a kit anyway. Bricks, after all, arrive on pallets, and if they were not pre-organized in kit form the bricklayers would have to disassemble all the pallets of bricks and lay them out in the order they're required, essentially building the structure twice. Not to mention the chaos that would ensue if someone dropped and broke a brick, or found one to be defective. You'd either have to reprogram the whole sequence or send off to the factory for a single replacement brick!

 

[jaydeehess]

Even with the rfid tags that tell you where the bricks need to be you'd have to package them as a kit anyway. Bricks, after all, arrive on pallets, and if they were not pre-organized in kit form the bricklayers would have to disassemble all the pallets of bricks and lay them out in the order they're required, essentially building the structure twice. Not to mention the chaos that would ensue if someone dropped and broke a brick, or found one to be defective. You'd either have to reprogram the whole sequence or send off to the factory for a single replacement brick!

A good point and an extension of what I said. Indeed one need just go down to the local building supply yard and look at their pallets of structural brick. At the two within walking distance of where I sit I know that each pallet at both places has at least one damaged brick. It occurs in transit or in loading and unloading from the trucks. Now this time of year all they have is what did not sell this summer so the number of damaged compared to undamaged bricks may be higher than at peak construction season (difficult to get mortar to set at -22^oC ) but the principle remains the same. One would have to include a certain number of replacement bricks with the 'kit'.

One need not arrange these 'kits' on pallets so that each one gets used in precise order. There already exists a system that computes what will be needed and where and when as long as the original plans are correct. Its called experienced bricklayers and masons. People with more know how than could ever be programmed into a computer, especially in the case of having to work around problems such as faulty or damaged bricks.

About all that technology could do to speed things up would be to also produce partial bricks in the manner that would be needed during construction and eliminate the requirement that the masons cut full bricks. However is it faster for an experienced person to take a full brick and cut it than it would be for that person to go to the partial brick pallet and get a pre-formed part brick? The cost of labour and time to completion is probably more important than the cost of a few extra bricks.