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Hillary and the Black Panthers

Youthful indiscretion.
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Regarding the Black Panthers, it's bad, but in the context and compared to the KKK, it's understandable (not this crime, but the existence of an organization to counter the KKK).
 
George W Bush was busted for cocaine and drinking and went AWOL. Should that disqualify him as a presidential candidate?
 
Puppycow said:
Youthful indiscretion.
Snopes

Regarding the Black Panthers, it's bad, but in the context and compared to the KKK, it's understandable (not this crime, but the existence of an organization to counter the KKK).
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"Youthful indiscretion."?

What if a college aged David Duke lead a demonstration back in those days in a Nazi uniform protesting campus radicals?

Would you dismiss that to "youthful indiscretion"?
 
The evidence presented is lacking.

Insight Magazine is a right-wing gossip rag that is part of Rev. Moon's press empire and is an abject journalistic joke.

I enjoyed this bit though...
Insight said:
And, at length, Insight found a source that appeared to stand the test of credibility. That source is David Horowitz
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Not even on planet X is Horowitz credible.
 
One of the neat things about the Black Panthers was their newspaper. They, quite intelligently, put out a well written - in standard English - paper which espoused their views. Doesn't mean I agreed with all their points (I don't agree with all of anybody's points AFAIK).
 
varwoche said:
The evidence presented is lacking.

Insight Magazine is a right-wing gossip rag that is part of Rev. Moon's press empire and is an abject journalistic joke.

I enjoyed this bit though... Not even on planet X is Horowitz credible.
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Actually Insight is part of the Washington Times which was set up by the Moon (Unification Church) group.

The question is why? Any ideas?

What does Rev. Moon have against Hillary?
 
It'd be a shame to have a president who condones torture. I mean - another one.

Seriously, though, it's hard to take this kind of criticism seriously from someone who has cited davidduke.com (or maybe it's .org, who cares?) as a source.

That is - coming from MaGZ, this can't really be interpreted as "She shouldn't be allowed to be president because she supported a domestic terrorist organization," but rather "She shouldn't be allowed to be president because she supported the wrong domestic terrorist organization."


Personally, I'm not a fan of violence, and therefore, not of the Black Panthers. (Also not a fan of Clinton - a separate issue.) However, the Panthers are almost infinitely better than the KKK, and considering also the level of Clinton's support (according to the Snopes article, I mean - newsmax and freerepublic are not reliable sources), along with the fact that she didn't appear to do anything illegal at all, even accepting the worst interpretation - no, she obviously shouldn't be disqualified from the presidency for this non-issue.
 
varwoche said:
Insight Magazine is a right-wing gossip rag that is part of Rev. Moon's press empire
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MaGZ said:
Actually Insight is part of the Washington Times which was set up by the Moon (Unification Church) group.
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Well if you want to nitpick minutia, you are not quite correct. Insight is owned by News World Communications as is the Times. NWC is the Unification Church's media arm. link
 
MaGZ said:
"Youthful indiscretion."?
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You didn't bother reading the link, did you?

What if a college aged David Duke lead a demonstration back in those days in a Nazi uniform protesting campus radicals?

Would you dismiss that to "youthful indiscretion"?
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Well...Since he'd do the same thing today, probably not, no. However, Hillary did nothing that is remotely similar to that (nor would she be particularly inclined to today). Which you would know if you bothered reading the Snopes link.
 
MaGZ said:
"Youthful indiscretion."?

What if a college aged David Duke lead a demonstration back in those days in a Nazi uniform protesting campus radicals?

Would you dismiss that to "youthful indiscretion"?
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You are equating the Black Panthers with the Nazis?
I'm not an expert on the Black Panthers, but from what I know they weren't nearly as bad as the Nazis. We all have an understandable urge to push back when we have been pushed. That's how I see it.
 
Granted, I don't know much about it (I was only born in 1985!) but from what I've seen the Panthers weren't that bad for the most part. A lot of their activities revolved around patrols where they would monitor police activies to make sure there was no brutality going on (although, this comes from Bobby Seale so take it with a grain of salt).

The problem is that the views of the party were highly diverse. Some of them were more "revolutionary" then others, which would understandably cause public opinion to paint them as violent and anti-white.

As for the "self-defense" doctrine, I am torn. Non-violence is, to me, the most effective and benevolent strategy for civil rights, but it's hard to denounce self-defense, especially when I've had it pretty easy for my life.

Anyway, I'd be glad if someone had their own opinion on the Panthers that was around during the 60's and 70's.
 
Are you mistaking the Panthers with the Nation of Islam? Because NOI was/is crazy.
 
The Painter said:
Yeah, Kill all the Whiteys. That's not so bad.
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I'm not saying its good, just understandable. If someone pushes you what do you do? do you push back or not? The Nazis commited genocide on defenseless people. The Black Panthers were trying to defend defenseless people who were being oppressed, no?
 
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