Fake Ron Paul Currency seized
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Of course not.
It was just coincidence that this company was raided by the Federal government and had all their property confiscated just when the Ron Paul coins were delivered despite this company having been in business for a decade.
Fortuitous timing.
Someone said somethign earlier in this thread which was very relevant to this discussion, I'll see if I can find it. Ahh, here it is:
When two Americans in the US talk about "dollars" that means US dollars unless otherwise stated (the same principle applies in most of the rest of the world too). To claim otherwise are flagrantly dishonest. If you believe otherwise I suggest you try the following experiment
a) Agree to pay someone a certain amount of "dollars" for a good or service.
b) Pay them with another form of "dollars" that is worth less that the US dollar.
c) Tell the judge that it was never explicitly stated that you were talking about US dollars.
d) Enjoy you vacation at tax payer expense.
I also note that while you refuse to accept that dollars clearly is meant to be understood as US dollars you are in fact willing to accept implicitly that US stands for United States (of America). But if we accept your position than why not make University of Sussex dollars, or UberSoft dollars, which would of cause conveniently be abbreviated US dollars and equally conveniently be valued less than actual US dollars. Clearly it wouldn't be fraud to give values in "US" dollars, right? I mean it's hardly my fault that people stupidly assume that US means the United States, and hence believe that something is worth more than it actually is.
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Kerberos, your argument boils down to the fact that these coins use the term US dollar and as such this is fraud because Americans expect US dollar to mean Federal Reserve note.
Is this a correct interpretation?
Is this a correct interpretation?
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No, a dollar is a dollar. A Federal Reserve Note is the same dollar that a Silver Certificate (got one in change a few years ago) is that a Susan B. Anthony is that a Sacajawea is that a Presidential is that 4 quarters are that 100 pennys are that 10 dimes are and that that 20 nickels are.
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So, a looney is a dollar equal to the denominations you describe above?
Of course not; thus your attempt at an answer fails.
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I hereby aver that US (UnrepentantSinner) dollars are equal to U.S. dollars... but since I use U.S. dollars as US dollars, they're the same thing anyway.
My irony meter explodeth. Do you understand that comparing a Looney with a U.S. dollar is fallacious equivocation. You're no longer talking abou the same thing while everything in WildCat's list does mean the same thing.
No it is not and you attempt to twist my post is painfully transparent. My argument boils down to the fact that the coins and even more importantly the guide to using them uses the term dollar and that the term "dollar" in the context given will be understood, and is meant to be understood as American dollars - not Canadian, Australian, "liberty" or for that matter Disney dollars, but US dollars. That is fraud.
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If I were trying to twist your argument, I would not have asked if my interpretation of your words was correct.
When the purveyors of the Liberty dollar overtly state that it is a private currency, how is this an attempt to fraudulently pass them off as federal reserve notes?
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We're not saying they were trying to pass them as federal reserve notes. We're saying they were trying to pass them as being worth $20 in federal reserve notes when they aren't. Just for the record, I'm a Libertarian and I'm not buying the argument that claiming $15 in silver bullion is worth $20 is not deception, and therefore fraud. Tricky language doesn't get you off the hook. A reasonable person would understand that to be equivalent to $20 in USA legal tender. And while we're at it, it would be fraud for me to pay you in Canadian dollars if you reasonably expected to be paid in US dollars.
An honest exchange would have been something like : 'This is worth $15 just as silver bullion, but it's also private currency attractively minted. I'll let you have it for $20.'
An honest exchange would have been something like : 'This is worth $15 just as silver bullion, but it's also private currency attractively minted. I'll let you have it for $20.'
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As is comparing the Liberty dollar, which is the point.
Ummm. No.
Telling someone who asks, "is this real" that "that's a real Candadian dollar which currently is worth a little more than a dollar U.S. based on exchange rates is miles and miles away from:
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If I were trying to twist your argument, I would not have asked if my interpretation of your words was correct.
When the purveyors of the Liberty dollar overtly state that it is a private currency, how is this an attempt to fraudulently pass them off as federal reserve notes?
I have already explaned this numorous times. So have several other posters. Most recently Mister Agenda and UnrepentantSinner. If you refuse to get it I dont see any benefit in repeating myself for the umpteenth time.