Osama to Truthers: I Did It

[kageki]

That's a good point, LastChild. If 9/11 was an inside job, why wouldn't they update the site to make it look like Osama did it?

There is probably legal reasons for why they can't officially list 9/11 on there. It's still not stopping people from believing he did it though.

 

[kageki]

Well if not that, what are you claiming? That FBI office staff are slack? That UBL is innocent of all charges? That UBL has never confessed his guilt in relation to anything? WHAT?

He also apparently confessed Zionists were behind it.

 

[kageki]

Bin Laden was on the FBI's 10 most wanted list before the September 11 attacks. Why should they bother indicting him for those, when he was already wanted, and eligible for the death penalty, for the embassy bombings?

The Feds did, however, raise the reward offered for him from $5 million before September 11, 2001, to $25 million.

9/11 seems like a crime that's worthy of putting up there to me.

I'm also wondering if there is anything other then confessions. Where are these tapes coming from anyways? Can't we interrogate the messenger or something?

 

[beachnut]

Yeah I sort of remember people jumping to those kinds of logical assumptions after Oklahoma City. It wasn't proof of anything.

Just idiots like 9/11 truthers. Sorry, I did not jump to a conclusion on OKC, even Islamic terrorist would not blow up people of OKC; they are too nice (you have never been to OKC). Sorry, you failed to make your point again.

The reason I suspected Islamic terrorist that worked with UBL is due to the suicide part Sherlock. OKC was a single act, there was no proof of suicide yet, and since the coward parked the truck and went up 35N, we know he is not a suicide terrorist, just a dumb white kid like me. But on 9/11, when I saw the second plane, it was UBL, best suspect. Sorry, the Beam weapon stuff, and thermite, and dustification of your 9/11 truth buddies did not make the cut. Too bad for you.

Evidence my poor child is what makes good conclusions, and since you jump to them without any evidence, and I use real evidence, you have lost this one. Try harder next time. Go ask UBL what he thinks about the idiots who believe 9/11 truth junk.

Next time try using logic and evidence. It works better than lies and hearsay.

 

[OldTigerCub]

I think the assumption that a terrorist attack on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon involved Osama bin Laden was pretty reasonable. It became even more reasonable after Osama acknowledged his role. There are those who find the assumption ever more reasonable each time Osama acknowledges his role.

...especially after the '93 bombing of the WTC was traced back to Bin Laden and his stated desire to strike at symbols of capitalism and American democracy.

 

[Mince]

I'm claiming that although some at the FBI maintain UBL might have been involved in planning the 9/11 attacks they still don't have any hard evidence to update their site or secure an indictment. In fact I don’t believe he’s been indicted for anything since Dubya has been President. Has he?

A confession is pretty...as you say...hard. But if you mean "empirical evidence", then no, they likely do not have much.

But they do have a confession...

 

[kageki]

A confession is pretty...as you say...hard. But if you mean "empirical evidence", then no, they likely do not have much.

But they do have a confession...

You can torture a confession out of someone. Like this Al Qaeda guy:

http://english.ohmynews.com/articleview/article_view.asp?article_class=3&no=378293&rel_no=1

It's really not hard evidence when you think about it. What if these tapes are fake? Isn't that a US military jacket that he is wearing?

 

[LashL]

You can torture a confession out of someone.

Staying on topic (I know that's difficult for you), please provide evidence that bin Laden was tortured into any of his confessions?

 

[kageki]

Staying on topic (I know that's difficult for you), please provide evidence that bin Laden was tortured into any of his confessions?

Please provide real evidence he did it.

 

[uk_dave]

Please provide real evidence he did it.

He confessed.

Of course if it was just a "Hey I woz only playin'" moment, then he could always give himself up and clear his name.

The whole world will be watching.

 

[kageki]

He confessed.

Of course if it was just a "Hey I woz only playin'" moment, then he could always give himself up and clear his name.

The whole world will be watching.

Exactly. So what if he did do that?

 

[LashL]

Please provide real evidence he did it.

In your post, you suggested that his confession was a result of torture, so it's up to you to provide evidence of same. If you did not mean to suggest that, then just say so and we can continue to discuss the topic of the thread. I will not be drawn into playing silly twoofer JAQing off games.

 

[kageki]

You were suggesting that his confession was a result of torture, so it's up to you to provide evidence of same. If you did not mean to suggest that, then just say so and we can continue to discuss the topic of the thread. I will not be drawn into silly twoofer JAQing off games.

Ok I don't have evidence, but do you have any evidence other then his confession?

Could that be the reason why it's not listed on the FBI poster?

 

[LashL]

Ok I don't have evidence

I'm glad that you admit that you have no evidence for your assertions and insinuations. But does that not make you reconsider your assertions and insinuations? It should.

but do you have any evidence other then his confession?

Yes. There is plenty of corroborating evidence.

Could that be the reason why it's not listed on the FBI poster?

The evidence suggests otherwise. Stop tilting at windmills.

 

[kageki]

I'm glad that you admit that you have no evidence for your assertions and insinuations. But does that not make you reconsider your assertions and insinuations? It should.



Yes. There is plenty of corroborating evidence.




The evidence suggests otherwise. Stop tilting at windmills.

Even without the insinuation there is the question of the confession itself. Where is this plenty of evidence? More confessions? What about his FBI poster?

What about this interview where he denies any role?

Usama bin Laden Says the Al-Qa'idah Group had Nothing to Do with the 11 September Attacks
http://www.robert-fisk.com/usama_interview_ummat.htm

 

[Dr Adequate]

Why is the FBI so slow in updating their website?

And why does their official spokesman say: "As the FBI has said since 9/11, bin Laden was responsible for the attack ... This should help to clarify for all the conspiracy theorists, again — the 9/11 attack was done by bin Laden and al-Qaida"?

Does that not make their opinions rather clearer than your inability to understand the fine details of FBI procedure ever could?

 

[LashL]

Even without the insinuation there is the question of the confession itself. Where is this plenty of evidence? More confessions? What about his FBI poster?

What about this interview where he denies any role?

Usama bin Laden Says the Al-Qa'idah Group had Nothing to Do with the 11 September Attacks
http://www.robert-fisk.com/usama_interview_ummat.htm

It appears that you are incapable of writing a sentence that doesn't have a question mark at the end of it. As I said above, I'm not interested in the JAQing off that twoofers engage in. I am interested in the facts and evidence that support twoofer claims (but I haven't seen any to date).

You suggested that Osama bin Laden was tortured into making confessions. Please provide facts and evidence to support that.

 

[kageki]

And why does their official spokesman say: "As the FBI has said since 9/11, bin Laden was responsible for the attack ... This should help to clarify for all the conspiracy theorists, again — the 9/11 attack was done by bin Laden and al-Qaida"?

Does that not make their opinions rather clearer than your inability to understand the fine details of FBI procedure ever could?

Could they have the wrong suspect? Are they just going on Bin Laden's confession? Richard Jewel? Where's the evidence? What about the poster? Facts not opinions.

 

[kageki]

It appears that you are incapable of writing a sentence that doesn't have a question mark at the end of it. As I said above, I'm not interested in the JAQing off that twoofers engage in.

You suggested that Osama bin Laden was tortured into making confessions. Please provide facts and evidence to support that.

I already said I don't have the evidence right? You also seem to be incapable of answering questions either.

 

[Dr Adequate]

Some more stuff from the FBI website:

Undeterred by its thwarted efforts to target U.S. and other interests in late 1999 during the millennial time frame, the Al-Qaeda terrorist network carried out two separate attacks against the United States in 2000 and 2001 [...] The second, a coordinated suicide attack using four hijacked U.S. commercial aircraft as missiles on September 11, 2001, resulted in the deaths of 2,783 innocent people.

The terrorist attack of September 11, 2001, involving the hijacking of four commercial airliners which were crashed into the twin towers of the World Trade Center, the Pentagon, and a remote field in Pennsylvania, marked the first successful international terrorist attack in the United States since the bombing of the World Trade Center in February 1993. The attack was carried out by 19 members of Al-Qaeda, an international terrorist network headed by Usama bin Laden.