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Osama to Truthers: I Did It

I like to see sources on the last statement about him being an Imam and all.
Here. Google still not working for you? You should get that fixed.

I'm afraid there is a lot of misinformation out there about the Islamic faith. It is actually a very peaceful religion with a strict moral code. Even if this jihad thing is really true you can be sure such belief would be considered "extreme".
I guess you won't be contributing to the Ayaan Hirsi Ali Security Trust (the subject of a James Randi SWIFT entry yesterday), that a teacher should be imprisoned for allowing a teddy bear to be named Muhammed, that the supreme religious leader of Iran declaring fatwa on a man who wrote a book is okay, that Ibn Warraq is a secularist shill, and that Ahmadinejad is your hero.
 
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I'm afraid there is a lot of misinformation out there about the Islamic faith. It is actually a very peaceful religion with a strict moral code. Even if this jihad thing is really true you can be sure such belief would be considered "extreme".

That would explain thousands of Muslims marching in protest for a teach who let a little boy name a bear Mohammed to be sentenced to death. Clearly it's only a few extremists eh? And as usual you don't see any of the leaders in those areas speaking up. No denouncing of such brutal behavior from a religion. How very peaceful. Kinda reminds you of how the KKK justified their actions through another peaceful religion.
 
You can torture a confession out of someone. Like this Al Qaeda guy:

http://english.ohmynews.com/articleview/article_view.asp?article_class=3&no=378293&rel_no=1

It's really not hard evidence when you think about it. What if these tapes are fake? Isn't that a US military jacket that he is wearing?


Stop with the fantastic scenarios. I'm an empiricist. Prove the video was fake or that the admission was coerced. They can't even find Osama, yet they somehow tortured him into confession!? That is a camouflaged jacket, easily available to almost anyone in the world.



ETA: Wow, these threads do get on, don't they? Take a day off and a reply to the first page ends up on the seventh.
 
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trust me, you didn't miss a thing. I skipped right from page 2 to 7, and I have NO DOUBT that nothing revolutionary was said...the arguments, etc...are all the same...no headway.

TAM:)
 
We almost had this thread back on topic. Please let's not get sidetracked again into a debate on islam and the current issues - take that to one of the other threads and/or sections.
 
I'm afraid there is a lot of misinformation out there about the Islamic faith. It is actually a very peaceful religion with a strict moral code. Even if this jihad thing is really true you can be sure such belief would be considered "extreme".

This has little to do with Islam itself, it has to do with an organization of fundamental extremists self-serving and violent interpretation of it. Sadly, that violent interpretation has been gaining ground in the Muslim world for decades. It's still seems to be a minority but a significant and growing minority.


Are you basing this all on OBL's various interviews?

Alot of it, yes. Bin Laden is not shy about his beliefs or intentions. Before 9/11, he gladly spoke with numerous journalists from various new agencies around the world, including ABC News here in the states, on many occasions. Some interviews were written, others full blown video interviews that lasted over an hour. His beliefs seem only to be a secret to those who seek to blame his crimes on someone else, something even he has no desire to do. He is proud of what he is and what he's done. Do you know or even understand that? He thinks he's a hero for what he's done. He believes that he has a special place in seventh heaven waiting for him as a result of the attacks that he's planned and funded against the west. This is not, I repeat, not a secret.


I'm really wondering how much of it is even true. How do we know what OBL is really saying?

How about because he wants us to know? He wants us to know what he thinks, what he wants, and wants to intimidate us into meeting his demands of suffer the consequences? The man openly declared war on us twice in the '90's. We didn't take him as seriously as we should have but he did it. He even called a press conference to announce it and explain why.


People still say "wipe off the map" when Ahmajenad never even uttered those exacts word.

You're right, he never uttered those exact words. But that's just the semantics of language translation, a translation released by the Iranian government itself. The correct translation of his comment is:

"The Imam said that this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the pages of time."

And the phrase "wiped off the map" was said by him in a speech he gave discussing the issue:

"Our dear Imam (referring to Ayatollah Khomeini) said that the occupying regime must be wiped off the map and this was a very wise statement. We cannot compromise over the issue of Palestine. Is it possible to create a new front in the heart of an old front. This would be a defeat and whoever accepts the legitimacy of this regime has in fact, signed the defeat of the Islamic world. Our dear Imam targeted the heart of the world oppressor in his struggle, meaning the occupying regime. I have no doubt that the new wave that has started in Palestine, and we witness it in the Islamic world too, will eliminate this disgraceful stain from the Islamic world.

There is really no room for doubt as to where Ahmadinejad or Bin Laden stand in their beliefs. That's the bottom line.
 
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I questioned why he was not charged for 9/11 to which I have not received an adequate response.
* sigh *

Yes you have.

As has been explained to you patiently, at length, and in detail, he has not been charged because there is not enough evidence to charge him.

How difficult can this be to grasp?
 

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