Fake Ron Paul Currency seized

[rikzilla]

Welcome back, rik.

Thanks man...if there's any water in Lake Hartwell in May you wanna come out and see us again?

Hope so!
-z

 

[JEROME DA GNOME]

Of course it is semantics. We are talking about the wording of the most important legal document in the country. Exact wording plays a huge role in its interpretation and application.

Agreed.


"To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures"

"To borrow Money on the credit of the United States"

I believe these are the relevant texts.

Does this text give the power to government to borrow money from a private bank which makes a ledger note of the loan thus giving the treasury the ability to print dollars?

 

[JEROME DA GNOME]

Tell me what does the phrase "To make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof." Mean to you?

It means that the governmnet can make any laws which carry out the powers which the constitution has enumerated.

 

[rikzilla]

Who do you support?

Not sure yet, but if you're neither a Clinton nor a Bush...have no support from twoofers or other assorted nasty cranks...and are NOT in favor of handing AQ for free the victory that they have lost on the battlefields of Iraq then you have a shot with me.

Damn, I'd better strike my insistence on no-Clinton otherwise my last sentence would disqualify every Democratic candidate! So, the lady Senator from NY by-way-of-DC-and-AR is back in!

Don't get me wrong...I like Obama as a person, but can't help but think of him as Carter-esque. Steady and truthful,...but pure crap as POTUS material.

As ever...just MHO,

-z

 

[IchabodPlain]

Originally Posted by JEROME DA GNOME View Post
How is the currency Fake?

Article 1 of the Constitution states Ron Paul coins are FAKE.

As Cnn reported, not only did people mint the "currency", they circulated it, which is a criminal offense.

 

[JEROME DA GNOME]

Article 1 of the Constitution states Ron Paul coins are FAKE.

As Cnn reported, not only did people mint the "currency", they circulated it, which is a criminal offense.

Presenting a Looney in Michigan denotes a criminal offense by the presenter and the Canadian government?

Is this group committing a criminal offense?
http://americanbartercompany.com/

Do you have any idea how long the Liberty Dollar has been circulating?

 

[Donal]

They aren't trying to circulate their own currency and they aren't claiming their $15 worth of silver is actually $20 worth of silver. That whole fraud issue, you know.

 

[JEROME DA GNOME]

They aren't trying to circulate their own currency and they aren't claiming their $15 worth of silver is actually $20 worth of silver. That whole fraud issue, you know.

It is not possible to purchase $20 worth of silver for $20.

Unless you are claiming fraud on every commodity dealer in the country, this is also not fraud.

 

[Donal]

Those monkeys were claiming that their silver coins had a content of silver that equaled $20. The coins decidedly did not.

If you bought a Porche from me and I give you a Datsun, wouldn't you call that fraud?

 

[JEROME DA GNOME]

Those monkeys were claiming that their silver coins had a content of silver that equaled $20. The coins decidedly did not.

Evidence.

Do you think it is free to have coins minted?

 

[Donal]

Have you been reading the thread?

 

[Checkmite]

Do you think it is free to have coins minted?

Doesn't seem to matter to the scammers who then offer to buy the coins back for $15?

 

[JEROME DA GNOME]

Have you been reading the thread?

Yes

 

[JEROME DA GNOME]

Doesn't seem to matter to the scammers who then offer to buy the coins back for $15?

Did they?

Good business people in my estimation if this is so.

Have you ever run a business?

 

[Checkmite]

Good business people in my estimation...

Of course; that figures.

 

[JEROME DA GNOME]

Of course; that figures.

 

[Schneibster]

Duh, political positions are like a circle.

I think they're more like a cluster.

 

[Father Dagon]

First they ignore you...

But that doesn't mean that every ignored person or organization ended up victorious.

 

[IchabodPlain]

Presenting a Looney in Michigan denotes a criminal offense by the presenter and the Canadian government?

It is a criminal offense to present and circulate illegitimate currency when paying for goods. This is not a difficult issue. As stated in the Constitution, only the Congress has the power to coin money and regulate the value there of. Strange how RP-ites take such a vigilante attitude towards the constitution.

Is this group committing a criminal offense?

No, that is voluntary barter.

Do you have any idea how long the Liberty Dollar has been circulating?

1998. Do you know how long it has been illegal to circulate these coins as legal tender? Answer - 1998.
USC title 18 Section 486: "Uttering coins of gold, silver or other metal Whoever, except as authorized by law, makes or utters or passes, or attempts to utter or pass, any coins of gold or silver or other metal, or alloys of metals intended for use as current money, whether in the resemblance of coins of the United States or of foreign countries, or of original design, shall be fined not more than $3,000 or imprisoned not more than five years, or both. June 25, 1948, c. 645, 62 Stat. 709."

 

[JEROME DA GNOME]

It is a criminal offense to present and circulate illegitimate currency when paying for goods. This is not a difficult issue. As stated in the Constitution, only the Congress has the power to coin money and regulate the value there of. Strange how RP-ites take such a vigilante attitude towards the constitution.

Gift certificates?