Is Science getting closer to God and the Bible?

[UnrepentantSinner]

I wonder if fundamentalists are better at recognizing fundy parody than non-fundamentalists. And wouldn't that be an interesting experiment.

No. It's one of the pathetic ironies of Poe's Law - and I'm friends with epynominous (sic?) Nathan Poe for whom the law is named, but fundies seem to be better than par with non-fundies in recognizing a Poe. I have seen threads began by Poes that have gone 20-30 sincere responses since everyone knows all fundies - especially Creationist fundies - are utter fricking morons and would obviously post the lunacy that fundies are expected to do and thus deserve a smackdown with copius insults to their intelligence and familial lineage.

On the flipside, there are a lot of fundies who chime in agreeing with the sincere utter fricking moronic Creationists who post lunacy thereby making Poe's law valid.

 

[Safe-Keeper]

God will punish sin (and the molester) if we are to believe the bible. But He will never take away Free Will, once it has been given.

He hardened the Pharaoh's heart. You were saying?

 

[Tanstaafl]

He hardened the Pharaoh's heart. You were saying?

Ummm, let's see... Pharaoh freely chose to let god harden his... no, wait...

I know! Misty Newberry! Misty Newberry!

 

[kinkymagic]

I believe this to be a false statement. For example if someone molests a child. If God were to stop this, He would have to take away His greatest gift to humanity- the gift of free will. God will punish sin (and the molester) if we are to believe the bible. But He will never take away Free Will, once it has been given.

In heaven will there be free will or no sin? They seem to be mutally exclusive.

 

[Lothian]

I believe this to be a false statement. For example if someone molests a child. If God were to stop this, He would have to take away His greatest gift to humanity- the gift of free will. God will punish sin (and the molester) if we are to believe the bible. But He will never take away Free Will, once it has been given.

God will not punish a child molester who believes Jesus forgives his sins. Rather God welcomes all such child molesters with open arms, whileat the same time sending those who protect children from abuse to hell.

 

[DOC]

He also, of course, overlooks that there's lots of tormenting from other sources than humans. What about natural disasters? Wild animals?

God, allows natural disasters. I'm not sure why, they could be to "remind" us how fragile and temporary life is. And as in the case of Noah's time, some could be to punish. We're all going to die, whether its by natural disaster or disease its going to happen. It's just a matter of time unless as Christians believes Christ comes back before then.

As far as animals go, the Bible says there will be a time when the lion lays down with the lamb.

 

[wahrheit]

God, allows natural disasters. I'm not sure why, they could be to "remind" us how fragile and temporary life is.

How come you wouldn't know why god "allows natural disasters"? Why so much guesswork after 2000 years of knowing Him?

 

[kinkymagic]

God, allows natural disasters. I'm not sure why, they could be to "remind" us how fragile and temporary life is. And as in the case of Noah's time, some could be to punish. We're all going to die, whether its by natural disaster or disease its going to happen. It's just a matter of time unless as Christians believes Christ comes back before then.

As far as animals go, the Bible says there will be a time when the lion lays down with the lamb.

In heaven will there be free will or no sin? They seem to be mutally exclusive.

And correct me if I'm wrong, but don't lions need to eat meat to survive?

 

[DOC]

Show us the posts where you have answered direct arguments.

I'm not even going to dignify this request. Look in my 13 threads in the last 10 months with 60,000 hits (many that you have been in).

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/search.php?searchid=1162447

Your request is obviously meant to antagonize. If I thought for one second you were sincere, I'd give you a response. Try looking at my 420 posts in the Jefferson thread. You'll get your answer.

Show us the posts where you have admitted to error.

Once again and for the final time, I'll do that when joobz agrees to apologize if he was wrong in attacking me when he stated in this thread that I never admit to errors.

 

[Tanstaafl]

I would gladly apologize for making a false accusation, if it is proved that I was wrong. So, please provide your proof.

Interestingly, you've had several opportunities to do just this, but have declined to do so. I wonder if it is becuase you are having a hard time finding such evidence.

Remember, I apologized for claiming that you never answered the "So what" question. You provided proof, and I apologized. Unfortunately, your evidence also proved that you falsey accused me of "lying" about your intentions. But, I guess that's an old story, isn't it?

Well, DOC, that wasn't hard to find.

 

[Ralph]

God, allows natural disasters. I'm not sure why, they could be to "remind" us how fragile and temporary life is. And as in the case of Noah's time, some could be to punish. We're all going to die, whether its by natural disaster or disease its going to happen. It's just a matter of time unless as Christians believes Christ comes back before then.




So a natural disaster such as an earthquake occurs and a family with 3 young children are buried under tons of rubble.

They don't die right away though.

They lay in the dark in terrible pain--the parents get to watch the "sinning" children cry out in agony until finally after many hours or even days they die & their suffering ends.

Is this little "reminder" for the unfortunate family who died or is for for those remaining alive?

What's the purpose of a small child suffering agonizing pain when God could so easily prevent it and at least provide for a fast & painless death?

Who's "free will" gets interferred with if the individuals had the mercy of a fast death?

Most Christians seem to believe in the power of prayer so they must believe in a God who hears...and will act on those prayers.

Most of the time--it seems like he can't be bothered..

 

[wollery]

I'm not even going to dignify this request. Look in my 13 threads in the last 10 months with 60,000 hits (many that you have been in).

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/search.php?searchid=1162447

Your request is obviously meant to antagonize. If I thought for one second you were sincere, I'd give you a response. Try looking at my 420 posts in the Jefferson thread. You'll get your answer.

Do you know the difference between a response and an answer? Do you know what the term "direct argument" means?

I've read your posts in the Jefferson thread. Can't say I saw one instance of you answering a direct question. You made a lot of responses, and a lot of statements, but answers to direct arguments? Not so much.

Once again and for the final time, I'll do that when joobz agrees to apologize if he was wrong in attacking me when he stated in this thread that I never admit to errors.

He did.

I would gladly apologize for making a false accusation, if it is proved that I was wrong. So, please provide your proof.

So, will you provide a link to a post when you admitted to error? You've said you would, more than once now.

 

[Hokulele]

Since joobz did offer to apologize if DOC admits to an error, and DOC's posts since then have been about other things, I can say with a clear conscience that DOC is lying.

He either lied about admitting to an error, or he lied that he would provide proof. Color me surprised.

 

[UnrepentantSinner]

I'm not even going to dignify this request. Look in my 13 threads in the last 10 months with 60,000 hits (many that you have been in).

If you're going to be completely honest with yourself, you need to admit that the vast majority of those hits were people checking to see if you directly answered a question or rebuttal.

 

[wahrheit]

Look in my 13 threads in the last 10 months with 60,000 hits [...] Try looking at my 420 posts

Translation:

Dear Lord,

please find enclosed my current proselytism report.
13 threads x 60,000 hits divided by 10 months multiplied with 420 posts on an atheist-infested web forum.
Does this already qualify for a place in heaven? Please advice, thank you.

Best regards,

DOC

 

[Safe-Keeper]

God, allows natural disasters.

Wonderful confession. Thank you.

I'm not sure why, they could be to "remind" us how fragile and temporary life is.

I don't need such a reminder in such a horrific way, thank you very much.

And as in the case of Noah's time, some could be to punish.

Execution by tsunami, without fair trial or a chance to say a last goodbye or otherwise prepare yourself. How democratic and civilized.

We're all going to die, whether its by natural disaster or disease its going to happen.

So killing is OK in your eyes? It makes no distinction whether you die in a horrific natural disaster at the age of four or quietly pass away in your sleep at the age of 105? What a peach you are.

 

[H3LL]

... they could be to "remind" us how fragile and temporary life is. And as in the case of Noah's time, some could be to punish.

Nice move to "remind" us how fragile and temporary life is and then mention 600 year old Noah.

I wonder if you can have a quick pray and ask Jesus where the 2,000 year old (and still alive) people he spoke to are hiding.

God's such a tease.
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[DOC]

God, allows natural disasters. I'm not sure why, they could be to "remind" us how fragile and temporary life is. And as in the case of Noah's time, some could be to punish. We're all going to die, whether its by natural disaster or disease its going to happen. It's just a matter of time unless as Christians believes Christ comes back before then.

So a natural disaster such as an earthquake occurs and a family with 3 young children are buried under tons of rubble.

They don't die right away though.

They lay in the dark in terrible pain--the parents get to watch the "sinning" children cry out in agony until finally after many hours or even days they die & their suffering ends.

Well if the above did actually happen, I certainly wouldn't blame it on God. God didn't make the building. The building was man made. Maybe the sin is in building such a shoddily built building (possibly by greedy owners or builders who cut corners.) And as far as the children I believe children who haven't reached the age of accountability go to heaven, so any suffering is very short in time compared to eternity and when you think about it Christ was not a stranger to a terrible and painful death.

 

[DOC]

I recant. DOC has a positive genius to perform all those things with a minimum of words. It is the simplicity of his non-sequiters, accusations, defiance, and general mulishness that convince me he really is that saddest of all internet animals: the troll.

Do trolls analyze Supreme Court Cases, Constitutional Amendments, early American political and military alliances like the New England Confederation, bring in quotes from the 1606 First Charter of Virginia, and talk about Jewish leaders who praised Pius XII actions during WWII?

Anybody who tries to label me -- with the serious threads I've brought in -- a troll, really says a lot about themselves. People may try to lessen my credibility, but they are destroying their own in the process.

 

[DOC]

And with regard to bringing in posts where I have admitted an error. It's coming, I'm in no hurry, though. And I am glad joobz has agreed to apologize if he was wrong about his personal attack.