LTC8K6
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How does a creature with short legs have a long stride? How does a biped with very wide hips leave tracks in a straight line?
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How does a creature with short legs have a long stride? How does a biped with very wide hips leave tracks in a straight line?
madurobob
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I readily admit that I am nothing even close to an expert on tracks. However, I can and do leave tracks in a straight line from time to time. Sometimes I even walk leaving tracks that show my right foot on the left and my left on the right!
I run cross country - 5 miles three times a week. I've seen the tracks I leave when I've run through muddy areas, especially on a narrow trail or where I am avoiding some obstacle. Straight line tracks 4-5 feet apart are not at all uncommon, for me or the other runners.
Come visit me in NC and I'll be happy to provide a live example.
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Really Lt are an expert ? Jimmy Chilcutt just happens to be the leading expert in the country when it comes to finger prints and foot prints . Are you trying to tell me the FBI that has been useing the metheds that he has developed are all worng ?
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They dont walk up right all the time they get into what we call 4x4 mode where they use there hands as well as there feet to walk . This being the case there strides change .
LTC8K6
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Creek, you are just as good an expert on sasquatch footprints as Jimmy Chilcutt. Since no one knows anything at all about a sasquatch foot, we are all even.
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I would say he knows more then we do !
Investigator Jimmy Chilcutt retired from the Conroe Police Department after 18 years as a latent fingerprint examiner and crime scene investigator. He has over 26 years active duty as a police officer and holds a Master Police Officer Certification from the State of Texas.
Jimmy Chilcutt - Forensic Expert Witness After graduating from Jackson High School in Lubbock, Texas Chilcutt entered the U.S. Army as a Pvt. E-1 and left the service after 9 years, attaining the rank of Chief Warrant Officer W-2. He had tours of duty in Korea and Vietnam.
Investigator Chilcutt has over one thousand classroom hours of instruction in forensic subjects including basic identification at D.P.S. Austin, advanced latent fingerprint comparison F.B.I. University of Houston, advanced latent palm print comparison Mississippi State Crime Lab, advanced crime scene investigation, and many other forensic related subjects. He has testified as a fingerprint expert on County, District and Federal courts in several counties in Texas and North Carolina. In the Crime lab he has developed unique procedures in developing latent fingerprints that have drawn hundreds of requests from Federal, State, and County agencies to process their evidence. These agencies include FBI, DEA, U.S. Customs Service, U.S. Secret Service, U.S. Postal Service, DPS Narcotic Units throughout Texas, and various County Sheriff Departments.
Awards received for his outstanding service in forensics include, three City of Conroe outstanding officer awards, one meritorious service award, three county wide officer of the year awards, the 100 Club officer of the year award, and the coveted Directors Award from the director of the Texas Department of Public Safety.
Investigator Chilcutt has often been a guest lecturer at Sam Houston State University, Idaho State University, North Harris County College, and for the Conroe High School Criminal Justice Program. He also teaches the State of Texas Intermediate Crime Scene Investigation Core Course at the FBI/Conroe P.D. training facility.
Jimmy Chilcutt is not someone most people would associate with the kind of wild, unsubstantiated stories that show up in supermarket tabloids. Chilcutt, 54, is skeptical by nature. His job as a fingerprint technician at the Conroe Police Department requires hard-nosed judgments and painstaking attention to detail.
He is highly regarded by agents of the FBI, the Drug Enforcement Administration, and state and local law enforcement agencies because of his innovative techniques and ability to find fingerprints where others fail.
But in doing what comes naturally -- being careful and thorough -- he ended up rocking his own skepticism about one of the most sensational tales that routinely show up in the tabloids.
Chilcutt's quest to squeeze more information out of fingerprints led him to develop a rare expertise in nonhuman primate prints. He tried to use his special knowledge to debunk alleged evidence of Bigfoot, also known as Sasquatch.
But his examination of alleged Bigfoot footprint castings didn't lead to the conclusion he had expected. He now believes that -- while some of them are fakes -- some are the genuine prints of a reclusive animal that has yet to be documented and studied.
The path to Chilcutt's unusual investigation began with an idea he had in 1995. "If I could look at fingerprints and could tell the sex, gender and race, I'd be way ahead," he recalled. He began examining fingerprints to determine whether there were differences based on race or sex.
It finally occurred to him that the key to understanding human fingerprints could lie in nonhuman primates. Primates are members of the order of mammals that includes humans, great apes, monkeys and lemurs. Chilcutt said he hoped to find primordial characteristics that would unlock hidden information in human fingerprints. First, he had to convince a zoo or a research center to allow him to take fingerprints. "It was hard to find somebody who would let you fingerprint their monkey," he said. After being rebuffed about 25 times over three months, he called Ken Glander, director of the Duke University Primate Center in Durham, N.C. Impressed by Chilcutt's expertise, Glander offered prints from his collection of lemurs. But Chilcutt was primarily interested in apes, so Glander steered him to the Yerkes Regional Primate Center at Emory University in Atlanta.
Kaylee Summerville, occupational health program coordinator at Yerkes, said Chilcutt's request was received with caution.
After checking Chilcutt's credentials, the center arranged for him to take prints of apes at the Atlanta zoo during an annual medical checkup, while the apes were anesthetized. Since then, Chilcutt has amassed a collection of about 1,000 nonhuman primate prints. He has 350 prints.
He said there are only about four or five researchers working with nonhuman fingerprints. "All are biologists," Glander said. "We don't have fingerprint expertise."
Chilcutt studied the primate prints and discovered characteristics that distinguish different species and traits within species. He said he has become an expert on primate prints through long study of his samples, although he is not yet able to decipher human fingerprints.
But an opportunity arose in December 1998 to put his rare knowledge to use. He was at his home in Montgomery reading a book one evening, barely paying attention to a TV program about Bigfoot.
His interest was piqued, however, when he heard the term "dermal ridges," a reference to fingerprints.
He listened closely as Dr. Jeff Meldrum, associate professor of anatomy at Idaho State University, held a casting of a supposed Bigfoot footprint and pointed to what appeared to be the loops and whorls of prints.
Believing he could determine the authenticity of the prints, Chilcutt phoned Meldrum, a specialist in primate anatomy and locomotion. "If there is a Sasquatch, only a handful of people in the world know the difference between a primate and a human print," Chilcutt said. Meldrum said he was delighted to find someone who could help authenticate his collection of about 100 castings of supposed Bigfoot footprints.
Searching for Bigfoot
A skeptical Chilcutt arrived in Pocatello, Idaho, last April and began studying the collection.
He first examined the casting Meldrum had shown on TV and quickly determined it to be a fake. The toeprints were actually human fingerprints. Meldrum turned him loose on the entire collection.
The print ridges on the bottoms of five castings -- which were taken at different times and locations -- flowed lengthwise along the foot, unlike human prints, which flow from side to side, he said.
"No way do human footprints do that -- never, ever. The skeptic in me had to believe that (all of the prints were from) the same species of animal," Chilcutt said. "I believe that this is an animal in the Pacific Northwest that we have never documented."
Meldrum, for whom the study of Bigfoot prints is a sideline, believes it's a legitimate, scientific inquiry. "A misconception is often perpetrated that this should be relegated to the tabloids," he said. "The question is, what made the tracks? They are there; that is indisputable. It's either a hoax or the track of a living animal. "Officer Chilcutt has brought his expertise to that question. We will never know for sure until a specimen is collected. Until then, it's unscientific, in my opinion, to dismiss this evidence without giving it an airing." Glander, who was casually acquainted with Meldrum when Meldrum taught briefly at Duke, said: "Do I believe in Bigfoot? I don't know, but I think it's one of those things that is interesting and intriguing."
Investigator Jimmy Chilcutt retired from the Conroe Police Department after 18 years as a latent fingerprint examiner and crime scene investigator. He has over 26 years active duty as a police officer and holds a Master Police Officer Certification from the State of Texas.
Jimmy Chilcutt - Forensic Expert Witness After graduating from Jackson High School in Lubbock, Texas Chilcutt entered the U.S. Army as a Pvt. E-1 and left the service after 9 years, attaining the rank of Chief Warrant Officer W-2. He had tours of duty in Korea and Vietnam.
Investigator Chilcutt has over one thousand classroom hours of instruction in forensic subjects including basic identification at D.P.S. Austin, advanced latent fingerprint comparison F.B.I. University of Houston, advanced latent palm print comparison Mississippi State Crime Lab, advanced crime scene investigation, and many other forensic related subjects. He has testified as a fingerprint expert on County, District and Federal courts in several counties in Texas and North Carolina. In the Crime lab he has developed unique procedures in developing latent fingerprints that have drawn hundreds of requests from Federal, State, and County agencies to process their evidence. These agencies include FBI, DEA, U.S. Customs Service, U.S. Secret Service, U.S. Postal Service, DPS Narcotic Units throughout Texas, and various County Sheriff Departments.
Awards received for his outstanding service in forensics include, three City of Conroe outstanding officer awards, one meritorious service award, three county wide officer of the year awards, the 100 Club officer of the year award, and the coveted Directors Award from the director of the Texas Department of Public Safety.
Investigator Chilcutt has often been a guest lecturer at Sam Houston State University, Idaho State University, North Harris County College, and for the Conroe High School Criminal Justice Program. He also teaches the State of Texas Intermediate Crime Scene Investigation Core Course at the FBI/Conroe P.D. training facility.
Jimmy Chilcutt is not someone most people would associate with the kind of wild, unsubstantiated stories that show up in supermarket tabloids. Chilcutt, 54, is skeptical by nature. His job as a fingerprint technician at the Conroe Police Department requires hard-nosed judgments and painstaking attention to detail.
He is highly regarded by agents of the FBI, the Drug Enforcement Administration, and state and local law enforcement agencies because of his innovative techniques and ability to find fingerprints where others fail.
But in doing what comes naturally -- being careful and thorough -- he ended up rocking his own skepticism about one of the most sensational tales that routinely show up in the tabloids.
Chilcutt's quest to squeeze more information out of fingerprints led him to develop a rare expertise in nonhuman primate prints. He tried to use his special knowledge to debunk alleged evidence of Bigfoot, also known as Sasquatch.
But his examination of alleged Bigfoot footprint castings didn't lead to the conclusion he had expected. He now believes that -- while some of them are fakes -- some are the genuine prints of a reclusive animal that has yet to be documented and studied.
The path to Chilcutt's unusual investigation began with an idea he had in 1995. "If I could look at fingerprints and could tell the sex, gender and race, I'd be way ahead," he recalled. He began examining fingerprints to determine whether there were differences based on race or sex.
It finally occurred to him that the key to understanding human fingerprints could lie in nonhuman primates. Primates are members of the order of mammals that includes humans, great apes, monkeys and lemurs. Chilcutt said he hoped to find primordial characteristics that would unlock hidden information in human fingerprints. First, he had to convince a zoo or a research center to allow him to take fingerprints. "It was hard to find somebody who would let you fingerprint their monkey," he said. After being rebuffed about 25 times over three months, he called Ken Glander, director of the Duke University Primate Center in Durham, N.C. Impressed by Chilcutt's expertise, Glander offered prints from his collection of lemurs. But Chilcutt was primarily interested in apes, so Glander steered him to the Yerkes Regional Primate Center at Emory University in Atlanta.
Kaylee Summerville, occupational health program coordinator at Yerkes, said Chilcutt's request was received with caution.
After checking Chilcutt's credentials, the center arranged for him to take prints of apes at the Atlanta zoo during an annual medical checkup, while the apes were anesthetized. Since then, Chilcutt has amassed a collection of about 1,000 nonhuman primate prints. He has 350 prints.
He said there are only about four or five researchers working with nonhuman fingerprints. "All are biologists," Glander said. "We don't have fingerprint expertise."
Chilcutt studied the primate prints and discovered characteristics that distinguish different species and traits within species. He said he has become an expert on primate prints through long study of his samples, although he is not yet able to decipher human fingerprints.
But an opportunity arose in December 1998 to put his rare knowledge to use. He was at his home in Montgomery reading a book one evening, barely paying attention to a TV program about Bigfoot.
His interest was piqued, however, when he heard the term "dermal ridges," a reference to fingerprints.
He listened closely as Dr. Jeff Meldrum, associate professor of anatomy at Idaho State University, held a casting of a supposed Bigfoot footprint and pointed to what appeared to be the loops and whorls of prints.
Believing he could determine the authenticity of the prints, Chilcutt phoned Meldrum, a specialist in primate anatomy and locomotion. "If there is a Sasquatch, only a handful of people in the world know the difference between a primate and a human print," Chilcutt said. Meldrum said he was delighted to find someone who could help authenticate his collection of about 100 castings of supposed Bigfoot footprints.
Searching for Bigfoot
A skeptical Chilcutt arrived in Pocatello, Idaho, last April and began studying the collection.
He first examined the casting Meldrum had shown on TV and quickly determined it to be a fake. The toeprints were actually human fingerprints. Meldrum turned him loose on the entire collection.
The print ridges on the bottoms of five castings -- which were taken at different times and locations -- flowed lengthwise along the foot, unlike human prints, which flow from side to side, he said.
"No way do human footprints do that -- never, ever. The skeptic in me had to believe that (all of the prints were from) the same species of animal," Chilcutt said. "I believe that this is an animal in the Pacific Northwest that we have never documented."
Meldrum, for whom the study of Bigfoot prints is a sideline, believes it's a legitimate, scientific inquiry. "A misconception is often perpetrated that this should be relegated to the tabloids," he said. "The question is, what made the tracks? They are there; that is indisputable. It's either a hoax or the track of a living animal. "Officer Chilcutt has brought his expertise to that question. We will never know for sure until a specimen is collected. Until then, it's unscientific, in my opinion, to dismiss this evidence without giving it an airing." Glander, who was casually acquainted with Meldrum when Meldrum taught briefly at Duke, said: "Do I believe in Bigfoot? I don't know, but I think it's one of those things that is interesting and intriguing."
LTC8K6
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I already know all about Chilcutt, Creek. I didn't just get off the bus.
He knows no more than you or I or anyone else about sasquatch footprints.
He knows no more than you or I or anyone else about sasquatch footprints.
Drewbot
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Let's say I have an impeccable service record, and I say that I am an expert on Alien Spacecraft landing gear imprints. Does that give me a free pass to be THE authority on Alien Spacecraft landing gear imprints? Are you going to support my findings, solely, because I was a great member of some civil service branch?
Creekfreak
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Welcome to the forum Bobbie .
Was that you I saw on tv ?
If it was beleave it or not that was the only show Ive ever seen about bigfoot researching great job .
I know all about the bigfoot curse you mentioned on the show it happens to me every day !
Was that you I saw on tv ?
If it was beleave it or not that was the only show Ive ever seen about bigfoot researching great job .
I know all about the bigfoot curse you mentioned on the show it happens to me every day !
Creekfreak
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Lt Ive never seen a track as of yet if I have I did not know it . I am going to put the odds on Jimmy that he has seen the casts studied them and made his expert opinion . Have you ever seen the casts that meldrum has ? If you havent then you cannot make an opinon one way or another .
Sure there has been hoaxes but it only takes one real one to show that its real .
If I am correct Meldrum has studied more casts then anyone are you going to say that everything he is saying is worng too ?
Sure there has been hoaxes but it only takes one real one to show that its real .
If I am correct Meldrum has studied more casts then anyone are you going to say that everything he is saying is worng too ?
Creekfreak
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No drew I would ask you how many imprints of space craft landing gear you have studied .
madurobob
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Creek, you obviously don't get it.
There is no conclusive evidence that there is even such a thing as bigfoot. Therefore, it is impossible at this time for anyone to be an expert on bigfoot footprints. It is only possible to be an expert on the castings made from whatever made the tracks (hoaxers, etc...).
Creekfreak
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I will give you all we have are just casts of feet and that doesent prove it alone .
We also have hair ,blood and other evidence you can touch .
Not to mention of course the sightings of thousands and thousands of people from all walks of life .
This is not a mass lie or hoax going here I and all of these other normal people are seeing something that is different then any animal known to us .
I realize what we have is not good enough so I and others are trying very hard to collect what is needed to prove what we know to be real .
Why is it that people that have never been in the field that have nothing to back them up except there opinons put others down for trying ?
We also have hair ,blood and other evidence you can touch .
Not to mention of course the sightings of thousands and thousands of people from all walks of life .
This is not a mass lie or hoax going here I and all of these other normal people are seeing something that is different then any animal known to us .
I realize what we have is not good enough so I and others are trying very hard to collect what is needed to prove what we know to be real .
Why is it that people that have never been in the field that have nothing to back them up except there opinons put others down for trying ?
LTC8K6
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He has seen them and studied them and his opinion means no more than a random person on the street. No one knows if there is even a sasquatch, let alone what sort of foot it has or what the bottom of that foot looks like.
Not everything...
Could you stop typing "worng" please?
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Creekfreak
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Dr. Jeff Meldrum
Associate Professor Ph.D. , SUNY at Stony Brook, 1989 Anatomy, Evolutionary Morphology, Primatology, Paleontology
Dr. Jeff Meldrum is a professor of anatomy & anthropology at Idaho State University and affiliate curator at the Idaho Museum of Natural History. His formal study of primates began with doctoral research on terrestrial adaptations in African primates, and has since taken him from the dusty skeletal cabinets of far-flung museums to the remote badlands of Colombia and Argentina in search of fossil New World primates. He has published extensively on the evolutionary history of the South American primates and has described several new extinct species. He has documented varied primate locomotor specializations in laboratory and semi-natural settings. More recently his attention has returned to the emergence of modern human bipedalism. He co-edited and contributed to, From Biped to Strider: the Emergence of Modern Human Walking Running and Resource Transport (Kluwer-Plenum, 2004). His interests also encompass the evaluation of footprints, both in the lab and in the field, attributed to Sasquatch. Author of Sasquatch: Legend Meets Science, a companion volume to the Discovery Channel documentary, to be published by Forge later this year.
What makes you think your opinon means anything Lt ?
Associate Professor Ph.D. , SUNY at Stony Brook, 1989 Anatomy, Evolutionary Morphology, Primatology, Paleontology
Dr. Jeff Meldrum is a professor of anatomy & anthropology at Idaho State University and affiliate curator at the Idaho Museum of Natural History. His formal study of primates began with doctoral research on terrestrial adaptations in African primates, and has since taken him from the dusty skeletal cabinets of far-flung museums to the remote badlands of Colombia and Argentina in search of fossil New World primates. He has published extensively on the evolutionary history of the South American primates and has described several new extinct species. He has documented varied primate locomotor specializations in laboratory and semi-natural settings. More recently his attention has returned to the emergence of modern human bipedalism. He co-edited and contributed to, From Biped to Strider: the Emergence of Modern Human Walking Running and Resource Transport (Kluwer-Plenum, 2004). His interests also encompass the evaluation of footprints, both in the lab and in the field, attributed to Sasquatch. Author of Sasquatch: Legend Meets Science, a companion volume to the Discovery Channel documentary, to be published by Forge later this year.
What makes you think your opinon means anything Lt ?
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ThunderFoot
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Common guys, have you not seen Teaberryeagle's thread,,, they are all incorrect. Is that better LTC,, I didn't say wrong.
LTC8K6
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What makes you think I don't know who Chilcutt and Meldrum are?
Why do you think you need to Google up info for me?
Why did you ask for my meaningless opinion on the two if you didn't want it?
Since you are a known bigfoot hoaxer, why would anyone give a hoot in hell what you think about bigfoot?
You clearly don't know anything about the history of Jimmy Chilcutt and Jeff Meldrum and their involvement with bigfootery, or you wouldn't be holding them up as examples.
Why do you think you need to Google up info for me?
Why did you ask for my meaningless opinion on the two if you didn't want it?
Since you are a known bigfoot hoaxer, why would anyone give a hoot in hell what you think about bigfoot?
You clearly don't know anything about the history of Jimmy Chilcutt and Jeff Meldrum and their involvement with bigfootery, or you wouldn't be holding them up as examples.
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Creekfreak
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you have nothing to back up anything you say Lt. Its pretty simple you do not have credentals to say anything that these men are saying is in correct . in other words you dont have a leg to stand on or a foot in this case.
I did not ask for your meaningless opinon on them I was asking what do you have to back up what you are saying about these men ? Or myself for that matter you have nothing but an opinon and in some groups of people that means nothing I hate to brake it to you .
I did not ask for your meaningless opinon on them I was asking what do you have to back up what you are saying about these men ? Or myself for that matter you have nothing but an opinon and in some groups of people that means nothing I hate to brake it to you .
LTC8K6
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The links backing up my opinions have been given many times, Creek. Anyone studying bigfoot would know that.
