Is Science getting closer to God and the Bible?

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It looks like this author of hydraulic texts still in use also applied his knowledge to a thorough examination of the Bible and its references to currently known scientific phenomenon and processes.

http://www.creationevidence.org/scientific_evid/se_scripture.html

You are a brick wall. Have you looked at these passages? We have. Some of them do not describe a scientific phenomenon or process. None of them describe a scientific phenomenon or process in a way that would be unfamiliar to people at the time.

A lot of people in this thread have quoted specific examples of the passages from that link, and talked about why they don't say what you say they say. If you want to argue in this thread, the most effective thing you could do would be to address those - quote specific passages, and discuss why they do say what you say they say. But you aren't going to do this, for reasons which are obvious, at least to the rest of us.
 
Pondering Scripture-stretching, I just realized two can play that game. Let's try Håvamål of Norse mythology, shall we?

All door-ways,
before going forward,
Doorways didn't go forward in the time of the Old Norse, so clearly this is a prediction of the revolving or sliding door.

less sure is that
which a man must have
in another’s breast.
The ancient Norsemen didn't need things from each others' chests, so this must be a reference to later heart transplants.

103. At home let a man be cheerful,
and towards a guest liberal;
of wise conduct he should be,
The term 'liberal' didn't exist at that time, so obviously it must be a reference to today's liberal. We are obviously the Norse Gods' chosen people.

There's also this guy who rides over the sky with a hammer to create lightning. Clearly this is a reference to how modern humans, with our planes, are creating more bad weather for ourselves with global warming.

Or what about the valkyries? They flew in over battlefields and retrieved the fallen. No one could fly in those days, so clearly they're refering to the Med-Evac choppers of today - and choppers are even closely linked to the tune Ride of the Valkyries.

Then we have Odin, who sacrificed his eyes for infinite wisdom. This must be a prophecy that one day we'd have the Internet, a source of near-infinite wisdom, and that gazing for too long on the computer screen would damage our eyesight.

- - - -

I could go on all day. And when I was finished with Norse mythology, I could move on to Buddhism, Aztec mythology, African mythologies, or any other religious text. And upon finishing those, I could move on to classic literary works such as the Narnia Chronicles.
 
Close, but you're missing the important part.

The FSM is attempting to grab everything with his noodly appendages in order to bring them up into his Holy Pastaness. Gravity Pixies are the fallen angels of FSMology and prevent the rightful ascension of all things into their deserved glory where they will be seated next to the Virgin Marinara.
Splitter!

The FSM wishes alla his chillun to join him in eternal Bolognese.

It's people like you what cause unrest, and the Thirty Years' War, and the Hussite Rebellion, and pasta that is not al dente! :jaw-dropp

DR
 
Close, but you're missing the important part.

The FSM is attempting to grab everything with his noodly appendages in order to bring them up into his Holy Pastaness. Gravity Pixies are the fallen angels of FSMology and prevent the rightful ascension of all things into their deserved glory where they will be seated next to the Virgin Marinara.
Splitter! :eek: (Grabs torches and pitchforks)

The FSM wishes alla his chillun to join him in eternal Bolognese.

It's people like you what cause unrest, suh, and the Thirty Years' War, and the Hussite Rebellion, and pasta that is not al dente! :jaw-dropp

DR
 
Not to mention that it's eternity. Even if it takes a trillion trillion years we will get bored eventually, then we'll be bored for eternity.
Who's this "we," kemo sabe, are you one of the immortals?

There Can Be Only One! :D

DR

(Gratuitous Highlander reference, please be gentle with me.)
 
DOC asked

Is Science getting closer to God and the Bible?

When the scientists start measuring things in cubits, get back to me. Until then, understand that the Bible was not written as a science text book. I bothered to read the Bible, years ago, cover to cover. I refer to it these days for a variety of reasons, but never once have I opened the Bible looking for a scientific explanation for much of anything.

I also don't look in the phone book for information on repairs to Chrysler vehicles.

Your shoehorn cannot force a gorilla's foot into a horseshoe, DOC, and the sooner you accept that the better.

DR
 
When Christians find things that support their case its "Oh, the bible is big and muddled and you can support anything. But when atheists find things its "Hey, everybody, look what the bible says here!"

Yes, DOC, but what you're missing is that the Christian is saying: "Here's some verse that supports my case, within this text that I believe to be divine."

The atheist, on the other hand, says: "Hey, everybody, look what I found in the bible, which I find to be internally inconsistent, and not in any way divine or special."

IOW, I'm not trying to use scripture to support anything but the point that scripture can't meaningfully be used for all that you (DOC) want it to be used for, or can even be taken at face value. When I do this, I'm not nervous (like the believer must be) that somebody else might come along and post a verse that contradicts mine - because my point in the first place is that it's self-contradictory.

It's you who's arguing for the divinity of the text. All we're doing is point out the contortions you must suffer to pretend that the text makes sense at all, much less is divine truth.

So yes, what you describe above is what's going on, and it's entirely fair.
 
Let's see, he was abducted by aliens and instructed to tell humanity that they created us, and that we'd misinterpreted the bible, which is actually a message from them. They gave him full annotations to the bible, and told him to write a book. In a total of six hours. He has to achieve world peace and build an embassy in Jerusalem before they'll visit to meet with the world's leaders.

No, you're right, nothing nutty there at all.

:rolleyes:

Thanks for filling me in. I think I made it plain that I didn't have a complete picture, and I was wondering if there was nuttiness I was unaware of.

Your last statement spoils your message and is demeaning. I never said there was nothing nutty about it.
 
Thanks for filling me in. I think I made it plain that I didn't have a complete picture, and I was wondering if there was nuttiness I was unaware of.

Your last statement spoils your message and is demeaning. I never said there was nothing nutty about it.
Please don't take offence, that is not my intent, but it took me 30 seconds of googling, and less than 5 minutes of reading to find out the information I gave in that post. I'm afraid that I sometimes lose patience with people that don't do their own research, particularly if the information is so easily available.

Again, that may sound demeaning, but it isn't meant to be. It is, in fact, a statement of my own shortcoming. As a professional researcher I occasionally forget that reaching for the reference book, or firing up google isn't everyone's first reaction when they find they don't know something.
 
Yes I am willing to "Go on record" (gasp!) to state that - (with the obvious exception of things they would already have known about 200 years ago such as the shape of the earth etc. and which we already knew they knew about. - It's hardly earth shattering the Bible states the earth is round and it rains).
For the record, the actual passage refers to a circle and has nothing to do with the Earth being round. And I've looked at this nonsense before. I will most certainly go on record and say it's a load of horse-pucky.

From the Skeptic's Annotated Bible:

Isaiah 40:22
40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

[comment: "He that sitteth upon the circle of the earth"
The earth is a flat disc that God looks down upon from his throne in heaven.
TalkOrigins.org
-Index of Creationist Claims
Capella's Guide to Atheism
-The Bible's Flat Earth]

Job 26:10
26:10 He hath compassed the waters with bounds, until the day and night come to an end.
26:11 The pillars of heaven tremble and are astonished at his reproof.

[Comment: Heaven is set upon pillars that tremble when God gets mad.]

Psalm 103:12
103:12 As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us.


It takes some absurd stretching of these fables to claim they make scientific sense. Why would a Bible believer not just read the passages for themselves instead of this guy's interpretation? After all, it could be Satan making those false claims in order to trick proselytizers into making dishonest claims knowing skeptics will look up the actual passages and call the proselytizer a fool.

:degrin:
 
Wow, thanks DOC, for that site. I know understand christianity. You have something you want to believe, and you make up stuff and pretend the bible agrees.


Let me practice a bit:

Jesus wants me on to gamble on a river boat -luke 5:3

mole men are real -1 John 4:5

God doesn't Like 80's Music -1 john 5:21

Jesus teaches the force - Matthew 17:20

God predicts the existance of Cleveland - Matthew 10:15

the bible predicts the Biggie smalls-Tupac feud. But it also says they record a new album in heaven. -1 John 5:7
John 4:5 "Then cometh he to a city of Samaria, which is called Sychar, near to the parcel of ground that Jacob gave to his son Joseph."

Darn! I thought there was going to at least be a reference to a rodent.
 
God predicts the existance of Cleveland - Matthew 10:15


I am sorry that I didn't track all these down earlier. Joobz, I think I strained a rib on this one.

Matthew 10:15 said:
Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.


ETA: I just can't resist this one. The bible predict the prevalence of the Brazilian in adult entertainment! Matthew - 24:12
 
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