Fascist America, in 10 easy steps

Skeptigirl, here's an hypothetical scenario:

There's a war. US troops capture the people firing at them. What do you suggest we do with them, American or otherwise?
What war, a just war or an unjust war?

The just war is for democracy and liberation from an oppressor.

The injust war sold to you through lies and the guise of spreading democracy and liberation, is for oil and hegemony in the Middle East benefiting a few lobbies like Freedom Watch while the majority of Americans oppose it.
(so much for democracy in U.S.: the majority of Americans oppose the war, but a dictatorial government lies to start and enforce the war)

The war in Iraq is unjust and Fascist.

Mussolini defined Fascism as corporatism.

Bush's war in Iraq is Fascist-corporatist, since corporations like Boeing, Cubic, General Atomics, S.A.I.C., Titan, Northrop Grumman, Raytheon, General Electric, Lockheed Martin, and lobbies made of special interests millionaires like Freedom Watch -but not the majority of Americans- make their meat grinding profiteering from it.
 
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Yes America is now so fascist that the brownshirts have already been dispatched to pick up Ion and take him to a "reeducation camp" where he will be used as slave labor until he dies.
 
Travis? Care to explain yourself? Where did you find "america is fascist" in this thread? This is like a highway pile up where one car after another unwittingly makes the same mistake despite waving and yelling by bystanders.
 
Even his over the top melodramatic post doesn't say anything about the US being fascist. It's clear in describing the Bush admin as 'dictatorial' he's not saying Bush is dictator. He's also not describing the US as fascist by saying the war is 'fascist' but making some other point.
 
Even his over the top melodramatic post doesn't say anything about the US being fascist. It's clear in describing the Bush admin as 'dictatorial' he's not saying Bush is dictator. He's also not describing the US as fascist by saying the war is 'fascist' but making some other point.

I'm guessing you havn't read enough Ion posts. Americans are fat, lazy, obnoxious fascists.
 
Hoo boy. Haven't heard such a good commie rant since my college days in Europe. Sure brings back the memories.
Elindus,

I showed in my post common ground between Bush's Capitalism, Fascism and Communism.
The common ground is the reign of corporatism over citizens, but not the citizens's will commanding national matters -like the war-.
(yes latent aaaack, with the risk of disappointing you, my stance is that Bush's Capitalism, Fascism and Communism have things in common)

I include L3-Communications too in the list of companies that milk the war.
 
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Travis? Care to explain yourself? Where did you find "america is fascist" in this thread? This is like a highway pile up where one car after another unwittingly makes the same mistake despite waving and yelling by bystanders.

If you read of enough of Ion's posts you will begin to understand his very.....how to put this politely....unique opinion of America and its citizens.

But in case you don't believe me:

(yes latent aaaack, with the risk of disappointing you, my stance is that Bush's Capitalism, Fascism and Communism have things in common)

Amongst Ion's little tantrums/rants he has indicated that he feels that Americans are stupid because there aren't any American mathematicians in certain text books.

Apparently he also saw a fat American in bad clothes once.
 
I thought the point was that they were not prisoners of war?
True and not true. POW has a specific legal meaning under the Geneva Conventions, but the GC sets standards for achieving that legal status that those in Gitmo haven't met. In a colloquial sense, they are POW's, but not in a legal sense as defined by the GC.
 
*snip* While it's obviously hard to imagine this country changing in any extreme way, what is it that prevents it from happening? Did other people have the same beliefs before their countries became fascist? Did the Germans of 1930 really imagine the Germany they would find in 1945? And Germany isn't the only example. Wolf discusses fascist movements in a much broader way than oversimplifying it into Hitler's Nazis.

So forgetting the nonsensical arguments about the words: fascism, Nazis, Hitler and gulags, where are we when you consider secret prisons, legalizing torture, suspension of Habeas Corpus, the Patriot Act, fear-mongering, private armies, and so on? "Are we there yet?" aside, I think when you start adding it up Wolf does make her case that the signs of possibility are there. Beware of insidious changes that sneak up on people before they realize it.


**latent aaaack actually started a similar thread but it seemed like we needed a new one to discuss this author's book and because la's poll confused me. I told him I'd give him the credit.


I suspect that most parts of America have no Idea what's going
on behind their backs - thanks to the poor coverage, "national
secrecy security" and blind trust (Patriotism).

Funny enough, FRONTLINE once again sheds a lot of Light into
this issue. The question still is: Where's the rest of the Media?

PBS / FRONTLINE / CHENEY'S LAW
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/cheney/view/

Review: http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/tv/335542_tv16.html
 
I suspect that most parts of America have no Idea what's going on behind their backs - thanks to the poor coverage, "national
secrecy security" and blind trust (Patriotism).
Nope. Poor coverage? Nope. It's covered a plenty, otherwise you'd not have a clue.

Blind trust? Not hardly, see the President's, and the Congressional, abysmal approval ratings of late.

You don't seem to know the difference between that and patriotism, so you are once again dead in the water.

Care to try again?

DR
 
I suspect that most parts of America have no Idea what's going
on behind their backs - thanks to the poor coverage, "national
secrecy security" and blind trust (Patriotism).

Funny enough, FRONTLINE once again sheds a lot of Light into
this issue. The question still is: Where's the rest of the Media?

PBS / FRONTLINE / CHENEY'S LAW
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/cheney/view/

Review: http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/tv/335542_tv16.html

If only America had a free press. Alas, we don't, and Bush is enjoying 80% approval ratings, congress is still firmly run by the Republicans, there was no investigation of the collapse of Enron, the response to Katrina was hailed as efficient and thorough, Walter Reed Hospital is tip top as far as anyone knows and the invasion of Iraq is still widely supported since it has been such an unmitigated "success."

If only, Oliver, if only.
 
Elindus,

I showed in my post common ground between Bush's Capitalism, Fascism and Communism.
The common ground is the reign of corporatism over citizens, but not the citizens's will commanding national matters -like the war-.
(yes latent aaaack, with the risk of disappointing you, my stance is that Bush's Capitalism, Fascism and Communism have things in common)

I include L3-Communications too in the list of companies that milk the war.

Good for you, including L3 and all. I suspect you just learned of them. Why don't you just quote the NY stock exchange listings and save us a lot of time?
 
That's because the US is a representative nation (a republic) and the congress decides such matters. Go try writing your congressperson a nice polite letter. It'll be much more effective than flailing at the mouth about fascism. :|
It doesn't work.

Americans oppose the war, Congress is corrupt and doesn't stop the war, Bush over rules the citizens like a dictator.
 
If you read of enough of Ion's posts you will begin to understand his very.....how to put this politely....unique opinion of America and its citizens.
...
Not so unique.

Europe is with me on this.
 
I posted this in another thread:
...The book Taking Back America by Katrina van den Heuvel has a chapter titled Rolling Back the Twentieth Century, written by William Greider -who also wrote The Soul of Capitalism-.

An excerpt is:

"GEORGE W. BUSH, PROPERLY understood, represents the third and most powerful wave in the Right's long-running assault on the government order created by twentieth-century liberalism.
The first wave was Ronald Reagan,...
...
They do not expect any of these far-reaching goals to be fulfilled during Bush's tenure, but they assume that history is on their side and that the next wave will come along soon...
..."

The right-wing agenda of government favoring concentration of the wealth, started by Goldwater, pursued by Reagan, Bush I, and Bush II is:

.) eliminate federal taxation of private capital, as the essential predicate for dismantling the progressive tax;

.) gradually phase out the pension-fund retirement system, starting with Social Security privatization;

.) withdraw the federal government for a direct role in housing, health care, assistance to the poor;

.) restore churches and private education by giving them public money;
(this point is similar to Hitler's position)

.) strenghten the hand of business against regulatory obligations;
(this point is similar to Hitler's position)

.) smash organized labor;
(this point is similar to Hitler's position)

.) instill fear to opposing the right-wing agenda;
(this point is similar to Hitler's and Goebbels' positions)

.) militarize U.S. by nationalizations and subsidies with public money, which makes only the U.S. military managed in a Socialist manner, everything else to be managed through fearmongering for Socialism.
(this point is similar to Hitler's position)

It's pushing for a return to McKinley Republicans, before Roosevelt's New Deal in the 1930s.

What this has in common with Mein Kampf by Hitler, is an equally driven idealogy that is loony and primitive, forcing most people's lives into miserable submission

Had I known this push for the Medieval ages that Bush II is pursuing right now, I wouldn't have made the effort to come to U.S..

I also condemn the jocksters in this thread who take Bush II lightly and for simpleton, as these jocksters being themselves brain dead about their own country.
Bush II is a small pawn in U.S. right-wing's Mein Kampf, but he is the most dangerous so far.

For example Bush II started the war in Iraq for oil and lies about it, doesn't want to cover with health insurance 6,000,000 children in U.S. because that's government controlled healthcare (what's wrong with government controlled healthcare that is better than U.S.'s healthcare?), but government controlled war (including lies and taxpayer money funding the war like if the U.S. Army is run in a Communist regime) that's peachy...

Sunday September 30 2007 The San Diego Union Tribune had such a right-wing group (including Ari Fleisher and a Jewish lobby) who pour millions into the U.S. right wing Mein Kampf.
(and hypocritically invoking fighting against the historical Hitler's Mein Kampf)

I guess that for about 200 years, soon after Jefferson, U.S. is screwed up and screws up the world.

This statement includes the next President, maybe Hillary Clinton, who inherits facts on the ground from Bush II.
It shows that the U.S. right wing agenda has commonalities with Fascism and Communism.

Bush II is a temporary pawn in this agenda.
 
Is this true Ion? If this is how you feel when America is only a little fascist, what are you going to do when it really becomes authoritarian, curl up in a fetal ball and whimper?

There's really nothing to be so afraid of yet, I can still do this with two police cars in sight of me:

If you read of enough of Ion's posts you will begin to understand his very.....how to put this politely....unique opinion of America and its citizens.

But in case you don't believe me:



Amongst Ion's little tantrums/rants he has indicated that he feels that Americans are stupid because there aren't any American mathematicians in certain text books.

Apparently he also saw a fat American in bad clothes once.
 

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