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Fascist America, in 10 easy steps

I mean that kid in high school wearing combat boots, all black, and carrying around a black notebook full of their poems and musings with an anarchy symbol poorly drawn on with a ball point pen and then traced over with a sharpie.

You know the type.


Heck, it used to be me....
 
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A senior citizen in all black is probably just back from attending a funeral. As the baby booom generation moves into retirement, there will be more and more such black-attired weed smokers.

corplinx said:
I have skeptigirl on ignore because her opinions on politics are rarely skeptical
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Libertarians are the skeptic of politics. Let the flames commence. (Some long string of words) and therefore you should obey me, God's representative, and (some long string of words) and therefore you should obey me, The People's representative, are eerily similar for more than just surface reasons. As with religion, in politics let people be free, such that your crazy (religious or political idea) is fine, but don't tell me I have to obey it, too. You and a hundred million of your closest buddies are free to go Do What Thou Wilt, but leave me out of it, thanks.
 
I saw this on the Sluggy Freelance boards earlier. Strangely enough, respondents there were able to debate the ideas there without any references to either the characters of the author or the original poster. On a board for a webcomic!
 
Silly Green Monkey said:
I saw this on the Sluggy Freelance boards earlier. Strangely enough, respondents there were able to debate the ideas there without any references to either the characters of the author or the original poster. On a board for a webcomic!
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Maybe they, like Skeptigirl, gobble up anything that comes from a liberal source as gospel truth and don't bother to check if that source has any viable knowledge of political science and history to be making such a list in the first place?

Paris Hilton's grocery list would have been as much informative.
 
Pardalis said:
Maybe they, like Skeptigirl, gobble up anything that comes from a liberal source as gospel truth and don't bother to check if that source has any viable knowledge of political science and history to be making such a list in the first place?

Paris Hilton's grocery list would have been as much informative.
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I was unclear. They clearly and logically analyzed the claims, then clearly and logically showed how they were false. Nothing about liberals, conservatives, or gospel truth. Nothing about gullible fools, nothing about sources, they used knowledge of current events and history to show up every claim. Really, I thought people here were supposed to be better debators than webcomic fans!
 
Silly Green Monkey said:
Is that any excuse for rolling out the ad hominems?
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I'm just saying I could be making a list like that and it wouldn't be worth discussing.

Anybody can make up lists of things that are vaguely reminiscent of eachother, are we supposed to discuss every idea that pops up in everyone's minds, especially when it comes to subject matters the person coming up with the list has no expertise in?

Shall we discuss how similar I think the Chinese and the Japanese look like?
 
1. Invoke a terrifying internal and external enemy
2. Create a gulag
3. Develop a thug caste
4. Set up an internal surveillance system
5. Harass citizens' groups
6. Engage in arbitrary detention and release
7. Target key individuals
8. Control the press
9. Dissent equals treason
10. Suspend the rule of law

1. Invoke or create? Not sure which has been done here.
2. No. We don't have this. Sorry, Gitmo hardly counts. Thats a POW camp, pure and simple, and it's not internal, anyway. If you mean the prisons, with the exception of people imprisoned for things like substance abuse, how is imprisoning violent and economic criminals political? That's what the Soviet Gulag was for. Regular criminals went there too, but it was created for political dissenters.
3. This is America. We've always had thugs. Or do you mean the Hip Hop/Rap culture? The government did not create these people.
4. Yes, that's been done and is advancing anon.
5. Yes, that's being done. It was when the Ds were in power, too. And will be even more so when the Billary is back in power. They are already doing that, and they aren't even back in full power, yet.
6. Perhaps this is being done. If so, on a very limited basis. It's not like the Nazis or the Soviets or the Chicom where the trucks pull up out front and you hear the heavy tread of the backboots on your front walk, no matter what fearmongers on the left like to pretend.
7. Yep. Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, Tom Tancredo...being targeted, to be sure. But that's not by the "fascists."
8. The media has been controlled fully since about 2001. Before that it was only left-biased, now it is fully left-advocacy. So yeah, that's certainly taken place.
9. Funny...I haven't seen any trials for this. The biggest traitor in the country sits in the Oval Office, to be sure.
10. ...such as?

Tokie
 
Silly Green Monkey said:
Really, I thought people here were supposed to be better debators than webcomic fans!
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That a webcomic forum debated a silly idea by a silly author doesn't surprise me. Taking silly topics by neophytes seriously enough to discuss is how we wind up with Loose Change ideas rampant in the populace.
 
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Let me set this straight right here (even though it'll still be missed by some), I am not claiming this country is fascist, nor that Bush is, nor that the NeoCons are, nor that it is inevitable, or anything of the kind.
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Can anynoe offer an explanation for the at least four posts in this thread that referenced a supposed view in the OP that America is fascist? This board rules but it confuses me greatly sometimes. Wolfman? Someone at good at english as you making this mistake multiple times? Seriously, this has become more interesting to me than the topic. If skeptigirl is as good at predicting the future of the country as she is at predicting the responses in the thread before they were made, then time to start digging a shelter.
 
latent aaaack said:
Can anynoe offer an explanation for the at least four posts in this thread that referenced a supposed view in the OP that America is fascist? This board rules but it confuses me greatly sometimes. Wolfman? Someone at good at english as you making this mistake multiple times? Seriously, this has become more interesting to me than the topic. If skeptigirl is as good at predicting the future of the country as she is at predicting the responses in the thread before they were made, then time to start digging a shelter.
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I read Wolfman's posts as an erudite rebuttal of the article referenced in the OP, not a reference to Skeptigirl's personal views.
 
rtalman said:
I read Wolfman's posts as an erudite rebuttal of the article referenced in the OP, not a reference to Skeptigirl's personal views.
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That would be due to you having excellent reading comprehension, and reading the link. :)

"A disturbing recent phenomenon in Washington is that laws that strike to the heart of American democracy have been passed in the dead of night ... Beyond actual insurrection, the president may now use military troops as a domestic police force in response to a natural disaster, a disease outbreak, terrorist attack or any 'other condition'."

Critics see this as a clear violation of the Posse Comitatus Act - which was meant to restrain the federal government from using the military for domestic law enforcement. The Democratic senator Patrick Leahy says the bill encourages a president to declare federal martial law. It also violates the very reason the founders set up our system of government as they did: having seen citizens bullied by a monarch's soldiers, the founders were terrified of exactly this kind of concentration of militias' power over American people in the hands of an oppressive executive or faction.
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I tend to agree with this criticism, as I objected to Rummy's last acts on reorg of the National Guard, who are the States' Governors' troops.

DR
 
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rtalman said:
I read Wolfman's posts as an erudite rebuttal of the article referenced in the OP, not a reference to Skeptigirl's personal views.
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The article doesn't say America is fascist either. Hence the 'warning,' 'steps,' and the entire closing paragraph. So where are all the "America is not fascist" responses coming from? The reasoning aside, the points made in the article were very clearly made, this seems like a mental block being employed against an emotionally distressing arguement.
 
No, it's more like pointing out that whatever the bloody USA is, it's not developing in any such genuinely fascist direction, and that the entire train of thought is an absurd over-stretch. It did look a bit like that under Nixon, but the USA has improved a hell of a ****ing lot since Nixon. Whatever ills the USA has, in all plentitude, they don't include national fascism or any direction towards it at this time.

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You can say there are nasty developments. True. You can say surveillance is getting really bad over there. True. You can say they're a pack of bloody bloodthirsty incompetent twats. Often or sometimes true. But you cannot meaningfully say there is any direction towards organised, national fascism.

Not without looking like a bloody idiot, anyway.
 
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