Most atheists do not know what science says about our origins

[Garrette]

If you are an atheist and you found out that all plants and animals did originate from one single cell (according to science) would it matter.

Not to me. Why on earth would it?

 

[articulett]

If you are an atheist and you found out that all plants and animals did originate from one single cell (according to science) would it matter.

Of course--being able to know and understand the facts is breathtakingly cool.

Trying to twist the world to fit your faith is stultifying.

"Not knowing" is frustrating, but a thousand times better than believing a lie.

I think the fact that Darwin was right and molecular genetics provides the details is AMAZING. And I love being able to understand each step of new knowledge along the way. Is that what you meant by does it matter? It's matters that we humans were able to amass the information and build it so that we could figure out our origins. How cool is that?! How lucky to live in this time! It's true... the evidence is overwhelming...it brings us more knowledge all the time...useful, fascinating, verifiable knowledge that is the same for everyone whether you believe in it or not. And it's a way better story than any creation story made up by men over the eons.

Does it matter to you that your creation story is as on par with the facts as the creation story of Fundamentalist Muslims? Does it matter to you that you sound just as brainwashed, scientifically ignorant, and impenetrable? They could bring us the same "facts" and the same kind of silly inferences that you could! So could Scientologists. Faith is not a means to truth.

 

[GeeMack]

Well, I know joobz from his posts and I'd be willing to bet that joobz did not know that man evolved from reptiles. I'm not saying it in a condescending way. Because I'm sure others in here (including myself) did not know that man evolved (a to s) from reptiles. Sure most educated people have heard of evoltion, but what I'm saying is that many atheists believe in the science aspect of creation, while knowing very little about the specifics.

And before you came along to educate us with your gems of wisdom, DOC, do you really think atheists on this board were generally uninformed about evolution? Do you think an atheist considers the human/ape relationship, then somehow ceases to consider the processes of evolution that brought our branch of life from the beginning to the ape stage? Maybe you think atheists accept a common evolutionary lineage of humans and apes, but believe our mutual predecessors were magically poofed into existence?

Well, DOC, let me be the umpteenth to tell you that you just don't get it. You don't understand evolution and you're painfully unaware of the scope of the typical atheist's understanding of the subject. You've built a cozy little lie inside your head to make yourself more comfortable with your own belief in magic. And obviously you're cool with that. But your lies are transparent to those viewing them from out here in the real world.

One poster earlier made a big deal that I was trying to trick people. That's a joke and completely false. If people want to be atheists that's your free will decision. I'm just saying I don't believe many atheists and agnostics know what science says about how we evolved from bacteria, then later fish, and than later reptiles. If you did know that, or know that now, and still believe the same about religion, that's your free will decision. But I do believe there are some people that don't know (completely) what science says about evolution and are basing their decision about God on incomplete information.

Oh come on, DOC. Show us a single person who bases their belief in gods (or their lack thereof) on their knowledge of evolution (or lack thereof). Or, for your lack of ability to do that, how about you just admit that your premise of this thread is false.

Someone in here said I don't care about the truth.

You don't.

Once again that's a joke. Why would I bring in the hundreds of facts I do if I didn't care about the truth. Maybe a few of my 900 posts haven't been completely accurate, but if you think something I said is inaccurate just look it up for yourself.

We have looked it up ourselves, and you've been shown time and time again to be flat out wrong.

And if you don't like my threads then stay out of them. It's quite simple. The rudeness I've experienced and others have seen. Probably does more to turn others off against non religious beliefs than anything I could ever say.

And if you don't like being corrected, make a more concerted effort to understand what you're talking about... or shut up. You came in here babbling some nonsense you pulled out of your butt, refused to back your comments with evidence when asked, and refused to understand several concise explanations offered by these many well informed, articulate participants. That you should continue to carry on in your state of blissful ignorance, even when knowledge is placed at your feet, demonstrates a level of rudeness that can't compare to the bit of undiplomatic criticism you experience here.

 

[Crossbow]

If you are an atheist and you found out that all plants and animals did originate from one single cell (according to science) would it matter.

You are wrong again.

The article provided by 'Meadmaker' does not show "that all plants and animals did originate from one single cell".

If you can find where the article in question does state such a thing, then please point it out where it does.

 

[DOC]

You don't.

We have looked it up ourselves, and you've been shown time and time again to be flat out wrong.

Statements like these are meaningless, but they will continue again and again. Any troll can make a statement like this.

 

[Upchurch]

Statements like these are meaningless, but they will continue again and again. Any troll can make a statement like this.

You are being dishonest, DOC. Statements like these have not occurred in a vacuum. They were proceeded with statements, and support, of the inaccuracies in your claims.

Do you value truth? Then support your claims or correct yourself.

 

[Garrette]

Statements like these are meaningless, but they will continue again and again. Any troll can make a statement like this.

Yes, but trolls would stop there. Honest debaters can point to where you've been shown time and again to be wrong (Moses and the Supreme Court building ring a bell?) and to the simultaneous times where you refuse to acknowledge it (Moses and the Supreme Court building ring a bell?) and to the times where you change your argument while pretending you didn't (this very thread ring a bell?).

You have no message, DOC. You have lies. You have misrepresentations. You have cowardly refusals to address contrary evidence. You have nothing.

 

[DOC]

Originally Posted by DOC
If you are an atheist and you found out that all plants and animals did originate from one single cell (according to science) would it matter.

The article provided by 'Meadmaker' does not show "that all plants and animals did originate from one single cell".

If you can find where the article in question does state such a thing, then please point it out where it does.

Well Meadmaker would better qualified to answer your question since he brought in the article, but you did not respond to my question -- would it matter in anyway to you if was shown that all plants and animals did originate from one single cell.

 

[Upchurch]

Originally Posted by DOC
would it matter in anyway to you if was shown that all plants and animals did originate from one single cell.

It would be interesting scientifically, but I don't see how it would have any effect on my daily life. So:

Would it matter in any way? Yes.
Would it matter in any substantive way? No.

eta: what does that have to do with your OP comment that "most athiests do not know what science says" since, on this board at least, most of the atheists have a pretty darn good idea what the current theories are?

 

[DOC]

You are being dishonest, DOC. Statements like these have not occurred in a vacuum. They were proceeded with statements, and support, of the inaccuracies in your claims.

Do you value truth? Then support your claims or correct yourself.

I've made over 900 posts and have made and have gotten around 45,000 hits in my threads since January. That deserves some respect and if a person doesn't respect me their a phony (or a troll) to keep coming in my threads, period

 

[Garrette]

Well Meadmaker would better qualified to answer your question since he brought in the article, but you did not respond to my question -- would it matter in anyway to you if was shown that all plants and animals did originate from one single cell.

I responded. Upchurch has now responded. You wish to ignore those responses? It would be consistent with your behavior on this forum.

 

[Terry]

NO, my bet is that joobz (and many others for that matter) did not know humans evolved (specifically) from reptiles. The common ancestor was bacteria than to invertebrates (such as jellyfish) than later fish, than later reptiles, than eventually humans.

mmm... therapsids...

 

[Upchurch]

I've made over 900 posts and have made and have gotten around 45,000 hits in my threads since January. That deserves some respect and if a person doesn't respect me their a phony to keep coming in my forums, period

This isn't a matter of respect, DOC. It is a matter of honesty and truth.

Do you value truth and honesty?

 

[Garrette]

I've made over 900 posts and have made and have gotten around 45,000 hits in my threads since January. That deserves some respect and if a person doesn't respect me their a phony to keep coming in my forums, period

Absolute rubbish. Attention and hits have nothing to do with respect. I spend more time on threads with people I disagree with simply because that is where the discussions are and because I feel the assertions require refuting.

Perhaps I should adjust my perception of you to include an "attention-seeking" defect.

You still have nothing, DOC, but our responses aren't about you.

 

[Terry]

I've made over 900 posts and have made and have gotten around 45,000 hits in my threads since January. That deserves some respect and if a person doesn't respect me their a phony to keep coming in my forums, period

your forums?

 

[AudioFreak]

NO, my bet is that joobz (and many others for that matter) did not know humans evolved (specifically) from reptiles. The common ancestor was bacteria than to invertebrates (such as jellyfish) than later fish, than later reptiles, than eventually humans.

Ignoring your inability to distinguish between the uses of "then" and "than," you're going so far back up the ancestral tree that the word "specifically" doesn't even belong in statements like this. You use it because you feel like it makes the fact seem more absurd, as if phrasing it that way will make an atheist go "oh really? That doesn't sound right. I guess God DID poof everything into existence!"

Again, we're all aware of the interconnectedness of life from an evolutionary standpoint. It starts with a common ancestor and diverges. Duh! But saying that we had a common ancestor with modern day iguanas some hundreds of millions of years ago is not only old news, but clearly displays your own ignorance. It's been my personal experience that people typically deduce this within the first few minutes of reviewing the evidence for evolution and pondering its implications.

 

[Upchurch]

your forums?

I imagine he meant to say his "threads". However, that still doesn't address the basic misconception that they are his.

 

[DOC]

Yes, but trolls would stop there. Honest debaters can point to where you've been shown time and again to be wrong (Moses and the Supreme Court building ring a bell?) and to the simultaneous times where you refuse to acknowledge it (Moses and the Supreme Court building ring a bell?) and to the times where you change your argument while pretending you didn't (this very thread ring a bell?).

You have no message, DOC. You have lies. You have misrepresentations. You have cowardly refusals to address contrary evidence. You have nothing.

Well it looks like people want to derail this thread. That must means a nerve has been hit. By the way no one and I repeat no one has proved that anything said about Moses and the Supreme Court building was incorrect. If anything was proven incorrect about Moses and the 10 commandments depictions go to the Jefferson thread (not here) and post how it was proven to be inaccurate.

 

[Garrette]

Well it looks like people want to derail this thread. That must means a nerve has been hit. By the way no one and I repeat no one has proved that anything said about Moses and the Supreme Court building was incorrect. If anything was proven incorrect about Moses and the 10 commandments depictions go to the Jefferson thread (not here) and post how it was proven to be inaccurate.

omfg


Edit: DOC, I am grateful for you. I am truly glad that you post here with the frequency, the fervor, and the repetition you do. Even if you get some small benefit out of it per the attention-seeking thing, it is worth it to know that there is very little that can more thoroughly demonstrate the idiocy and dishonesty of your position than your own idiotic and dishonest posts. Just like the Troothers and their conspiracy theories, you are your own worst enemy.

Keep posting. Keep ignoring. Keep lying.

Let god sort us out.

 

[Upchurch]

Well it looks like people want to derail this thread.

Absolutely not. I'm fully willing to discuss your topic with you, but you must, at least, respond to what I'm saying as I am responding to what you are saying. That is how discussion works.